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http://www.hashtagbasketball.com/los-angeles-lakers/content/larry-nance-los-angeles-lakers-core

Julius Randle is the better player, and actually play relatively well against real NBA players.

i think Nance has the chance to be great 6th man because he can guard occasionally 3 and 5

Nance was actually best last season playing next to Randle... He said he wanted to play more next to Randle as a matter of fact...

He's improved his shot it seems but he was abysmal outside of 10' last season.... Whereas Randle was shooting around 46% after he took Nance's spot in the starting lineup...

Basically the Narrative on Randle is all wrong. Especially when people start praising Nance's shooting over Randle's... That's almost the exact opposite of reality.

Randle is the all around better player... Nance is more explosive and the better shot blocker but other than that, Randle's better and should start...

I'm definitely on the Nance train. Randle is hard to watch half the time, but you can't deny his potential.

I think the coaching staff will give them both a fair shot to earn the starting postion. I'm really hoping that Randle makes the next step.

He's a better complimentary player for sure and has more defensive potential than any of our other options at PF. If he can turn into a capable floor spacer he should be starting at PF and playing center when we go small.

I'm assuming nance is putting next to deng and mozgov?

Probably not, he's a bit situational as a player and may be better served coming off the bench with JC or Ingram (whoever isn't starting).

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Nance Jr. broke his hand today. Sorry guys.

Huh? Larry Nance can still start next season....smh. It's July not October...

Nance will eventually turn into the ultimate NBA role player. Rebounding, defense, hustle, IQ while not being a liability on offense. I agree that Randle is the better player, Nance is a potential 6th Man of the Year.

I think Nance and Calderon would work really well together on offense. Both seem to have a high bball IQ. That would be a nice pick and roll combo for the second group with Calderon shooting and Nance rolling to the basket.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say this thread will be lol worthy in two years when nance is or starter. He's much closer to draymond than randle. He's more athletic, smarter, shares the ball more, a better defender, and has a better looking stroke. Literally the only thing randle has on him is ball handling and rebounding. I think randle is gonna be a good player don't get me wrong, but if I had to guess who will be our sixth man once we are competitive, I'd point to randle.

I still think Randle needs to be used as a 3. Said that last year too, because he's a bit of a tweener. His post moves... well they're not pretty. He has terrible fundamentals down there. But his drives, while reckless, are pretty good, and he has the motor and speed to use his rebounding talents from a wing position.

I don't know... I know why it doesn't make sense to use him as a 3 either. He's just an interesting player to try and figure out what's best in terms of maximizing his talent.

Nance... he's just like plug and play. His ceiling will always be how well and from how far out he can shoot.

I'd start Randle for now, because Nance will handle the role of sixth man better. Then, I'd probably insert Nance into the starting line-up mid way through the season or something after Randle goes cold for a week.

Nance seems like the perfect glue guy when you have a starting lineup of ball dominant shoot first players. I could see him meshing better with Clarkson, Russell and Ingram but I see Randle starting to at least see what he can offer.

There's no reason Randle can't log a lot of minutes at the 5 and cause a lot of matchup issues ala the Death Lineup. Nance and Deng can lock the 4 down. A lot of it depends on Mozgov and his fitness and matchups. I could see him starting ala Bogut and then going small for long stretches. There are going to be a little bit of minutes issues, but we also have a LOT of flexibility. Randle should be watching all the Draymond game footage he can get his hands on because he could be an absolute terror in the same mold. Nance as well.

I think in small ball basketball, those two can potentially play together quiet a bit.
My suspicion is that we'll see some of that this coming season and then a lot more of it in the years to come.

I actually think their games compliment each other.

I am really excited about Nance's potential as an all-around player, but one thing we're going to need (although we'll have to see how Moz looks) is rebounding. Randle is simply another tier or two above Nance on that front.

If you look at Summer League this year, especially that stretch last night where we just couldn't get defensive rebounds, I think Nance is so athletic he doesn't look to box out the same way as someone who is shorter but more of a bully like Randle.

Look at their rebounding percentages from last year:

Randle: 19.5%
Nance: 13.3%

Defensive Rebounding %

Randle: 32%
Nance: 18.6%

Those numbers are from Basketball Reference. But check out Hollinger's numbers:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/defReboundRate

Randle was 4th in the league at Defensive Rebounding Rate:

1 Andre Drummond, DET
2 DeAndre Jordan, LAC
3 Hassan Whiteside, MIA
4 Julius Randle, LAL
5 Bismack Biyombo, TOR
6 Dwight Howard, HOU
7 Pau Gasol, CHI
Omer Asik, NO
9 Kevin Love, CLE
10 DeMarcus Cousins, SAC

IDK, but for a rookie that's really impressive. And it can't be undervalued defensively.

Hopefully Randle's rebounding gives us flexibility with rotations, as I think he could handle solid minutes at center depending on the match-ups.

lakerRD wrote:I think in small ball basketball, those two can potentially play together quiet a bit.
My suspicion is that we'll see some of that this coming season and then a lot more of it in the years to come.

I actually think their games compliment each other.

Honestly Nance's game is a complimentary game because he does so much dirty work and really understands positioning on the court extremely well.

That said, I too think we'll see them on the court quite a bit. Remains to be seen if that's a good thing or not.

Jakay wrote:

lakerRD wrote:I think in small ball basketball, those two can potentially play together quiet a bit.
My suspicion is that we'll see some of that this coming season and then a lot more of it in the years to come.

I actually think their games compliment each other.

Honestly Nance's game is a complimentary game because he does so much dirty work and really understands positioning on the court extremely well.

That said, I too think we'll see them on the court quite a bit. Remains to be seen if that's a good thing or not.

I agree.
It is Nance's game that compliments Randle's.
He does the dirty work.
He sets screens.
He doesn't need plays called for him.
He has a knack for going after offensive rebounds.
He can knock down the 15-18 footer.

Randle is clearly superior in defensive rebounding as Crazy pointed out.

And I agree also with his point that Nance has to work on boxing out.
Nance brings atheleticism, hustle, dunks, and excitement.
Randle brings solid rebounding and is a double double threat every game.

I don't even care who starts. I just feel fortunate to have either of the two on the court at all times.

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It depends on the make up of the starting unit. Neither is going to be a primary scorer. If we have good rebounding at the other positions Nance brings a much more complete game to the starting line up than Randle does. Randle makes up for some real issues in his game with his athleticism. Nance makes up for his with BBIQ. All things equal smarter players are better to have on the floor.

Nance remides me of Shawn Marion in a few ways. Granted he's not that good but he's got a well rounded game and actually understands the game. That's what 4 years of college ball does for you.