Future Draft Picks - Where do we stand?

danfantastk32 · Post #1 » by **danfantastk32** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:07 pm

Couldn't really find a post that fit this question, so hopefully this flies.

As far as I can tell.....assuming we start doing better, we will give up the #1 pick next year. And then the #1 pick in 2019 - two years later. Do we still need to give up a 2nd-rounder in 2018....or are we done with that? We also just got 2 2nd-round picks by taking Calderon. Didn't we also get a first round pick somewhere?? Or was that used on Nance?

If someone knows what our exact standing is with all these picks, I'd love to know. Thanks in advance.

gts1 · Post #2 » by **gts1** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:08 pm

Don't have time to look but there's a few websites that keep track of these things

ak7 · Post #3 » by **ak7** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:09 pm

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

danfantastk32 · Post #4 » by **danfantastk32** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:17 pm

ak7 wrote:http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

There it is....thank you sir.

It's not terrible. In a nutshell, we lose our first rounder next year. Gain a 2nd rounder the following, and lose a first-rounder in 2019. It certainly could be worse.

Well, since I don't see us making the playoffs this year, we are still technically able to keep our pick. How funny would that be to get 30-32 wins, and still somehow stupidly keep a top-3 pick. Man that would piss off a ton of haters. :nod:

Julius Caesar · Post #5 » by **Julius Caesar** » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:02 pm

danfantastk32 wrote:
ak7 wrote:http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

There it is....thank you sir.

It's not terrible. In a nutshell, we lose our first rounder next year. Gain a 2nd rounder the following, and lose a first-rounder in 2019. It certainly could be worse.

Well, since I don't see us making the playoffs this year, we are still technically able to keep our pick. How funny would that be to get 30-32 wins, and still somehow stupidly keep a top-3 pick. Man that would piss off a ton of haters.

I was bored, so I made a graphic of it:

Anything green is guaranteed.
If we lose the 2017 pick, then we lose all the yellow boxes and keep the purple ones.
If we keep the 2017 pick, then we keep all the yellow boxes and lose the purple ones.

Landsberger · Post #6 » by **Landsberger** » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:57 am

We sold our future for Nash and Howard..... I didn't like it at the time because I thought there was a 75% chance we'd be right here looking back at it. A broke down old point guard who doesn't play defense.... but I digress.

Well... it is what it is at this point. We have some youth that has some potential and some bridge veterans (This era's Ceballos in Deng). That's about it right now. I think this will be a long rebuild unfortunately. In previous rebuilds the league was centered on 3 or 4 teams and FA had to go there to maximize their earning potential. Now the NBA takes an active part in promoting young franchise potential players in all markets with NBA sponsorships (Biff and Kia for example). Combine that with the popularity of the game rising and no longer does a player have to go to NY, LA, or CHI to get all the green. I sat through the mid 70's rebuild.... the 90's rebuild... the 2000's rebuild and I'll be at both ends of this one.

danfantastk32 · Post #7 » by **danfantastk32** » Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:08 am

Yeah...I think we have been lucky, all things considered. We have some promising youth, and now we just gotta let them grow. I think we would be best served at this point, if we just got out from under these obligations.

Post #8 » by **Kilroy** » Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:16 am

Landsberger wrote:We sold our future for Nash and Howard..... I didn't like it at the time because I thought there was a 75% chance we'd be right here looking back at it. A broke down old point guard who doesn't play defense.... but I digress.

Well... it is what it is at this point. We have some youth that has some potential and some bridge veterans (This era's Ceballos in Deng). That's about it right now. I think this will be a long rebuild unfortunately. In previous rebuilds the league was centered on 3 or 4 teams and FA had to go there to maximize their earning potential. Now the NBA takes an active part in promoting young franchise potential players in all markets with NBA sponsorships (Biff and Kia for example). Combine that with the popularity of the game rising and no longer does a player have to go to NY, LA, or CHI to get all the green. I sat through the mid 70's rebuild.... the 90's rebuild... the 2000's rebuild and I'll be at both ends of this one.

We sold our future for Kobe.... Nash Howard and Gasol... On paper that was a pretty good win now team.

But make no mistake, we gave up our future as soon as we signed Kobe to that massive extension in 2010.

Landsberger · Post #9 » by **Landsberger** » Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:39 am

Kilroy wrote:
Landsberger wrote:We sold our future for Nash and Howard..... I didn't like it at the time because I thought there was a 75% chance we'd be right here looking back at it. A broke down old point guard who doesn't play defense.... but I digress.

Well... it is what it is at this point. We have some youth that has some potential and some bridge veterans (This era's Ceballos in Deng). That's about it right now. I think this will be a long rebuild unfortunately. In previous rebuilds the league was centered on 3 or 4 teams and FA had to go there to maximize their earning potential. Now the NBA takes an active part in promoting young franchise potential players in all markets with NBA sponsorships (Biff and Kia for example). Combine that with the popularity of the game rising and no longer does a player have to go to NY, LA, or CHI to get all the green. I sat through the mid 70's rebuild.... the 90's rebuild... the 2000's rebuild and I'll be at both ends of this one.

We sold our future for Kobe.... Nash Howard and Gasol... On paper that was a pretty good win now team.

But make no mistake, we gave up our future as soon as we signed Kobe to that massive extension in 2010.

That was all part of the same gamble. They believed that Melo was coming at that time as well.

You won't find a fan of Mitch here. He's been decent if finding pieces for a contender and maintaining a decent team but he's also been at the controls when we made a lot of very questionable decisions trying to keep a window open. I can't blame them, what alternative was there? When a team centered on older veterans and a bunch of role players is no longer viable you have two choices. Blow it up or swing for the fences to get another few miles out of it. We did the latter and our engine blew up.

I'm pretty sure that by the time we are truly challenging again we will have new ownership and new leadership top to bottom. Rarely does one run's leadership survive to the next run. We were the exception not the rule. While I'm old enough to remember that the team that I loved was sold to a Playboy Chemist/Residential Developer was considered the end of the world and I'll be around when his kids, after 10 Championships, sell it to the next owner that will make it great again.

danfantastk32 · Post #10 » by **danfantastk32** » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:23 am

Landsberger wrote:You won't find a fan of Mitch here. He's been decent if finding pieces for a contender and maintaining a decent team but he's also been at the controls when we made a lot of very questionable decisions trying to keep a window open. I can't blame them, what alternative was there? When a team centered on older veterans and a bunch of role players is no longer viable you have two choices. Blow it up or swing for the fences to get another few miles out of it. We did the latter and our engine blew up.

I'm pretty sure that by the time we are truly challenging again we will have new ownership and new leadership top to bottom. Rarely does one run's leadership survive to the next run. We were the exception not the rule. While I'm old enough to remember that the team that I loved was sold to a Playboy Chemist/Residential Developer was considered the end of the world and I'll be around when his kids, after 10 Championships, sell it to the next owner that will make it great again.

I am not a fan of Jim, but I think it more likely that the kids will keep the team, and hire people to run things. I could be totally wrong, but I think they would try that several times before they just gave the team up.

As well, I do think that Mitch would be apart of the 'cleansing' and will lose his job. Although I think Mitch really had no choice on the Nash trade. Was he as thrilled with it as the rest? I'm sure he was. But I don't think he has the power to nix that trade if he thought we were giving too much up. We had Dwight traded here (the FO deserves some credit for that one, btw) and 'bada-bing bada-boom' here's this top PG willing to come (albeit old)...and I think the FO was in full "go go go" mode, and Mitch prob couldn't have stopped it at all if he wanted.

I think that whole fiasco gets dumped on all their plates. Including Jerry. They swung big..and it just didn't happen.

danfantastk32 · Post #11 » by **danfantastk32** » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:27 am

Perhaps if this team doesn't improve like people hope......maybe we ship off someone like Nance or Clarkson...and in return we have those teams inherit these draft picks. Or we get their first round picks. I'm not sure if we can sell those debts...not sure of the rules there. But you might see us do something like that during the trade window if things are not better.

Not saying it's what I want...or that its smart...but it's an option

trevm37 · Post #12 » by **trevm37** » Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:06 pm

Who cares? We have an 18yr old, 20 yr old, and 21 yr old that have so much potential, they were invited to the USA select team, then there's Clarkson, Nance Jr., and Zubac who at the very least will be solid rotational players. We struck gold not once, but twice in the lottery, and were able to get through the worst part of a rebuild while maintaining our fan base, selling out games, and selling more jerseys than ever. The ownership have had some hiccups (Gasol, coaching hires), but it could be much, much worse. We have more than enough youth at the moment, we just have to be patient and hope these young guys reach their full potential.

Trips71 · Post #13 » by **Trips71** » Wed Jul 20, 2016 9:07 pm

Assuming we give PHL our 1st this year, we need to hope the 2018 draft class is DEEP! We will have our own first and (2) second round picks that year. Then we have nothing at all in 2019.

I hope this year's high school seniors are putting in work for our 2018 draft!

MelosSoreWrist · Post #14 » by **MelosSoreWrist** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:23 am

Trips71 wrote:Assuming we give PHL our 1st this year, we need to hope the 2018 draft class is DEEP! We will have our own first and (2) second round picks that year. Then we have nothing at all in 2019.

I hope this year's high school seniors are putting in work for our 2018 draft!

Both the '17 and '18 classes are suppose to be good.

Ideally the Lakers keep the '17 top 3 pick, sign and trade for superstars in the summer of '17 and the '18 pick is in the 20's. Then those trades wont seem as bad.

TylersLakers · Post #15 » by **TylersLakers** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:52 am

Something tells me if we manage to keep our pick this year, the 1st round pick that's due to Orlando turns into two 2nd round picks.

PKABOOICU · Post #16 » by **PKABOOICU** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:36 am

Julius Caesar wrote:
danfantastk32 wrote:
ak7 wrote:http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

There it is....thank you sir.

It's not terrible. In a nutshell, we lose our first rounder next year. Gain a 2nd rounder the following, and lose a first-rounder in 2019. It certainly could be worse.

Well, since I don't see us making the playoffs this year, we are still technically able to keep our pick. How funny would that be to get 30-32 wins, and still somehow stupidly keep a top-3 pick. Man that would piss off a ton of haters.

I was bored, so I made a graphic of it:

Anything green is guaranteed.
If we lose the 2017 pick, then we lose all the yellow boxes and keep the purple ones.
If we keep the 2017 pick, then we keep all the yellow boxes and lose the purple ones.

according to this, Id like to get our top 3 protected this year for sure. Its a loaded draft plus we keep the 2019 1st rounder.

gts1 · Post #17 » by **gts1** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 4:18 am

blahhhhh...lol stop with the tank talk... it's time to start on a different path, we're not the 76ers, look where that path has taken them, they are no closer than when they started and they had a two year head start on the Lakers.

Sooner or later you have to say OK we have more than enough young talent to groom for the future let's start teaching them how to win now
we didn't hire Luke Walton and an all new coaching staff to find new ways to lose

LakersSoul · Post #18 » by **LakersSoul** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 4:53 am

gts1 wrote:blahhhhh...lol stop with the tank talk... it's time to start on a different path, we're not the 76ers, look where that path has taken them, they are no closer than when they started and they had a two year head start on the Lakers.

Sooner or later you have to say OK we have more than enough young talent to groom for the future let's start teaching them how to win now
we didn't hire Luke Walton and an all new coaching staff to find new ways to lose

Right!! There is also a high probability of losing 2 out of the next 3 first rounders so this is the time to make the move from tanking to playoff contender. We already have the soldiers. We just need to support them with vets and let the youngsters improve by playing.

MelosSoreWrist · Post #19 » by **MelosSoreWrist** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:34 am

The roster is set. The question isnt whether the Lakers will tank or not, its whether the Lakers will be good enough to be competitive the first half of the season. Then come trade deadline time, the Lakers can decide how to move forward. Not much to decide right now. Its a wait and see.

Who knows, maybe the Lakers surprise like the Blazers did this past season. Then you might add on at the deadline. But if its more of the same of Lakers of the last 2 seasons, they need to try to sell off the vets and to retain the pick.

Karmaloop · Post #20 » by **Karmaloop** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 5:13 pm

Trips71 wrote:Assuming we give PHL our 1st this year, we need to hope the 2018 draft class is DEEP! We will have our own first and (2) second round picks that year. Then we have nothing at all in 2019.

I hope this year's high school seniors are putting in work for our 2018 draft!

I would be hoping that the 2018 draft we'd be looking at a much improved team, not only because of our young players but also because we were successful in convincing a top free agent to move from their team to the Lakers.