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Let's assume he keeps up his play all season. Do we try to re sign him? What do we pay? If not, how do we replace his production?

My opinion is that we force Ingram into his role and even though he won't produce as much at first it will be a huge boost to his learning curve and the dividends will pay off later. Curious to hear what you all think.

I think it all depends on who else we can get on the cap. To me with the TV deal increasing the cap, Swaggy's agent might want to get Nick as much as possible. Also other teams might be interested in signing him too so his value might jump up. So a couple of things to consider.

Who's that dedicated (waived) Nick Young hater that use to be on this board? He must be hating life now.

The big question is whether Nick opts in or out of his contract at the end of this season. I think it's a no brainer that he opts out and looks to renegotiate for more money, but he does love being in L.A., and playing with these guys.

I think if he opts in: That's perfect for us. It gives us another year with Nick while Brandon develops. Not as good of an option for Nick tho.

If he opts out: Maybe we can get a discount. I don't think he's ever had as much fun playing basketball as he has this year. Plus, he's really close with the young guys, and he loves L.A..

He's been great tho. His play this year has been a wonderful surprise.

Sofa King wrote:I think it all depends on who else we can get on the cap. To me with the TV deal increasing the cap, Swaggy's agent might want to get Nick as much as possible. Also other teams might be interested in signing him too so his value might jump up. So a couple of things to consider.

Who's that dedicated (waived) Nick Young hater that use to be on this board? He must be hating life now.

I think there was a lot of people who were on the "waive Nick" bus. I was one of'em... I'll admit it. I was very wrong lol. I ain't hating life tho. I'm really loving life! Being wrong has never felt so great. This season has already been way more fun then all of last year.

lake_show wrote:

Sofa King wrote:I think it all depends on who else we can get on the cap. To me with the TV deal increasing the cap, Swaggy's agent might want to get Nick as much as possible. Also other teams might be interested in signing him too so his value might jump up. So a couple of things to consider.

Who's that dedicated (waived) Nick Young hater that use to be on this board? He must be hating life now.

I think there was a lot of people who were on the "waive Nick" bus. I was one of'em... I'll admit it. I was very wrong lol. I ain't hating life tho. I'm really loving life! Being wrong has never felt so great. This season has already been way more fun then all of last year.

No doubt I wanted him gone too with the way he was playing last season. The majority thought so and it was a surprise he came back and even more so is starting games this season.

im in with the lets keep this team in tack til end of season. alot of the players are having career numbers and are happy with their roles. im fine with messing around and calling players out for fun right now like deng but trade and why did we sign this bum thread/stupid contract is silly!? its over and done with lets just enjoy what we have.

I think that we should trade him for some assets. He has decent trade value right now but definitely optuot his contract in summer and i dont want sign him for multiyear deal.

I think it would be a good predicament if he keeps up his play and opts out at the end of the year. Do you trust Young to continue to behave with another new contract? Do you think you can replace his production from elsewhere?

Personally I'd bring him back on no more than a 2 year deal if we make the playoffs. Otherwise I'd look to deal all of our veterans and go with the young players next season if we give our pick to Philly, which means we keep our 2018 pick before surrendering 2019 pick to Orlando.

Slava wrote:I think it would be a good predicament if he keeps up his play and opts out at the end of the year. Do you trust Young to continue to behave with another new contract? Do you think you can replace his production from elsewhere?

Personally I'd bring him back on no more than a 2 year deal if we make the playoffs. Otherwise I'd look to deal all of our veterans and go with the young players next season if we give our pick to Philly, which means we keep our 2018 pick before surrendering 2019 pick to Orlando.

What has Nick Young done over the course of his career to make anyone think his play this year is sustainable? That's the question the FO needs to ask themselves. He's having a career year shooting the ball, and for the first time in his career he's playing something resembling defense. The problem is he's doing it at age 31. How many players continue that high level of play after 31 years of age that aren't stars? If he opts out, I'd offer him a 2 year, low guarantee deal but someone is going to be desperate and overpay especially with teams that are poised to have significant cap space. It's just not a good idea to bet on him to continue this level of production.

Sorry, but trade him while his value is high as hell. Say bye to lou too. I still don't trust their production can be sustained.

Either trade him for assets or wait til the end of the year and don't resign him, I'd prefer the latter unless we could trade him in a package for a solid 3 and D guy. I like the way he's playing this year, but he is 31, I don't trust him to sustain this effort/good behavior for multiple seasons, and I'm sure he knows this is his last chance for a big contract.

Debating whether getting a 2nd rounder (no chance in hell of a 1st) at the trade deadline is worth losing potentially 2-3 wins due to missing Nick. Now if he drastically cools down, then he wont fetch even a 2nd and wont help much in winning games. But an effective Swaggy P is worth something to other teams and to our total wins bottom line.

I'm more apt to trading Lou Will for the best 1st rounder we can get. 1.5 years of Lou is way more valuable than .5 years of Swaggy P. But again it comes down to whether we're in the thick of a playoff race where every win counts. If we can get a projected 18-24 pick, i'd pull the trigger on trading Lou.

Also the more picks we pile up the more assets we can bundle with Deng to try to get rid of him. Basically something like Deng + Randle or Nance + 1st round pick (from trading Lou WIll) + 2nd round pick (our own or from Swaggy P deal) + 3 mil for a massive expiring contract. Basically trying to set ourselves up for 2017-2018 FA (doubtful we'll be major enough players to snag 2 marquee FAs in 2016-2017 FA).

Vae Victus wrote:Debating whether getting a 2nd rounder (no chance in hell of a 1st) at the trade deadline is worth losing potentially 2-3 wins due to missing Nick. Now if he drastically cools down, then he wont fetch even a 2nd and wont help much in winning games. But an effective Swaggy P is worth something to other teams and to our total wins bottom line.

I'm more apt to trading Lou Will for the best 1st rounder we can get. 1.5 years of Lou is way more valuable than .5 years of Swaggy P. But again it comes down to whether we're in the thick of a playoff race where every win counts. If we can get a projected 18-24 pick, i'd pull the trigger on trading Lou.

Also the more picks we pile up the more assets we can bundle with Deng to try to get rid of him. Basically something like Deng + Randle or Nance + 1st round pick (from trading Lou WIll) + 2nd round pick (our own or from Swaggy P deal) + 3 mil for a massive expiring contract. Basically trying to set ourselves up for 2017-2018 FA (doubtful we'll be major enough players to snag 2 marquee FAs in 2016-2017 FA).

Randle is not a throwaway to dump a bad contract. I'm not sure why that is even an option.

Thunder still desperate need a wing and i think that they could even overpay Swaggy in trade.
Also trading Swaggy not Lou is much better for Lakers. First of all - hes contract expire in summer (will optuot) so this is last chance to receive something for him. And we dont touch our best bench in the league

Slava wrote:

Vae Victus wrote:Debating whether getting a 2nd rounder (no chance in hell of a 1st) at the trade deadline is worth losing potentially 2-3 wins due to missing Nick. Now if he drastically cools down, then he wont fetch even a 2nd and wont help much in winning games. But an effective Swaggy P is worth something to other teams and to our total wins bottom line.

I'm more apt to trading Lou Will for the best 1st rounder we can get. 1.5 years of Lou is way more valuable than .5 years of Swaggy P. But again it comes down to whether we're in the thick of a playoff race where every win counts. If we can get a projected 18-24 pick, i'd pull the trigger on trading Lou.

Also the more picks we pile up the more assets we can bundle with Deng to try to get rid of him. Basically something like Deng + Randle or Nance + 1st round pick (from trading Lou WIll) + 2nd round pick (our own or from Swaggy P deal) + 3 mil for a massive expiring contract. Basically trying to set ourselves up for 2017-2018 FA (doubtful we'll be major enough players to snag 2 marquee FAs in 2016-2017 FA).

Randle is not a throwaway to dump a bad contract. I'm not sure why that is even an option.

Nope he isnt a throwaway, he's the blood price we need to pay to get rid of one of the worst contracts in the NBA if Deng does not improve his play.

Swaggy has value, and his value is becoming evident in Luke's system.
He's playing hard, both on offense and defense. And he is fitting in well with this group.

I'd try to resign him, to a 2 or 3 year deal.

Vae Victus wrote:

Slava wrote:

Vae Victus wrote:Debating whether getting a 2nd rounder (no chance in hell of a 1st) at the trade deadline is worth losing potentially 2-3 wins due to missing Nick. Now if he drastically cools down, then he wont fetch even a 2nd and wont help much in winning games. But an effective Swaggy P is worth something to other teams and to our total wins bottom line.

I'm more apt to trading Lou Will for the best 1st rounder we can get. 1.5 years of Lou is way more valuable than .5 years of Swaggy P. But again it comes down to whether we're in the thick of a playoff race where every win counts. If we can get a projected 18-24 pick, i'd pull the trigger on trading Lou.

Also the more picks we pile up the more assets we can bundle with Deng to try to get rid of him. Basically something like Deng + Randle or Nance + 1st round pick (from trading Lou WIll) + 2nd round pick (our own or from Swaggy P deal) + 3 mil for a massive expiring contract. Basically trying to set ourselves up for 2017-2018 FA (doubtful we'll be major enough players to snag 2 marquee FAs in 2016-2017 FA).

Randle is not a throwaway to dump a bad contract. I'm not sure why that is even an option.

Nope he isnt a throwaway, he's the blood price we need to pay to get rid of one of the worst contracts in the NBA if Deng does not improve his play.

The hell is a blood price? This is basketball, not gang warfare and you're doubling down on a bad idea. I'd much rather waive Deng than give up an excellent prospect for a free agent that may or may not come. As it is we already have max cap space for one player even with Deng's contract on board and unless you see a couple of free agents that are both better than what Randle will eventually become, you don't use him as contract fodder.

Young's play this year is encouraging. He could be an asset to a contending team at the deadline. Not inconceivable to get a decent return.

Vae Victus wrote:

Slava wrote:

Vae Victus wrote:Debating whether getting a 2nd rounder (no chance in hell of a 1st) at the trade deadline is worth losing potentially 2-3 wins due to missing Nick. Now if he drastically cools down, then he wont fetch even a 2nd and wont help much in winning games. But an effective Swaggy P is worth something to other teams and to our total wins bottom line.

I'm more apt to trading Lou Will for the best 1st rounder we can get. 1.5 years of Lou is way more valuable than .5 years of Swaggy P. But again it comes down to whether we're in the thick of a playoff race where every win counts. If we can get a projected 18-24 pick, i'd pull the trigger on trading Lou.

Also the more picks we pile up the more assets we can bundle with Deng to try to get rid of him. Basically something like Deng + Randle or Nance + 1st round pick (from trading Lou WIll) + 2nd round pick (our own or from Swaggy P deal) + 3 mil for a massive expiring contract. Basically trying to set ourselves up for 2017-2018 FA (doubtful we'll be major enough players to snag 2 marquee FAs in 2016-2017 FA).

Randle is not a throwaway to dump a bad contract. I'm not sure why that is even an option.

Nope he isnt a throwaway, he's the blood price we need to pay to get rid of one of the worst contracts in the NBA if Deng does not improve his play.

dude, i don't even know where to start with this post. just stop.

God...how did this page turn into trading Randle?

I think Young is playing well...but if your on the "Ingram" boat...you hope/expect him to turn into one of the better players in this league. That makes Young fairly expendable. Sort of an asset for us. If I were the Lakers, I'd certainly explore the idea of getting something for him.

I'm not sticking Randle in this conversation though....f** that.