Ideal Summer?

[Vesper]

What is the ideal summer for the Lakers?

For myself, an ideal summer consists of:

1. Keeping the pick and flipping the pick for either PG13 or Butler.
2. Breaking up the young core and trading Randle/JC along with the pick for either pg13 or butler.
3. Signing Gordon Hayward. The more I see Ingram, the more I picture him as our future stretch 4.
4. Signing either Jrue Holiday or Deron Williams. Both are risky contracts, but if we can get them to sign short term deals, that would be perfect.
5. I would like to trade either Deng or Mozgov. Don't need to trade both, but pref Mozgov. Think he would be better suited elsewhere and we might play better without him. However, the problem is also I think zubac is like 2 years away from being ready and I don't think black is a legit starting center. One guy that is a RFA that might not resign that would be perfect with us is Mason Plumlee. (BLazers F themselves over the past summer)

Russ Deron/Jrue
Butler LouWIll
Hayward Young
Deng Nance Black
PLumlee Zubac Black

[LakersSoul]

1. Playoff Push
2. Each player improves throughout the season and over the summer
3. Sign Hayward
4. Sign a PG (Holiday, Lowry, GHill, DWilliams, Teague)

I know many of you guys are eyeing one of the top picks but I would prefer us pushing for the playoffs and signing an experienced FA point guard.

[warren weel im]

Mine would start at the deadline.

Trade 1: MEMPHIS
Lou Williams + Marcelo Huertas --4-- Wade Baldwin IV + Vince Carter

Lose dependence on Lou, get a young piece at the guard position. VC can be waived/cut made to sign to a contender.

Trade 2: HOUSTON
Nick Young + Thomas Robinson --4-- KJ McDaniels + Tyler Ennis + DEN 17 2nd + PTB 17 2nd.

Losing the probability of Nick winning us too many games than we should. KJ and Tyler get auditions. 2 2nd round picks.

Trade 3: MILWAUKEE
Timofey Mozgov + DEN 17 2nd + PTB 17 2nd + CHI 19 2nd --4-- Greg Monroe

Russell, Baldwin, Ennis, Calderon
Clarkson, McDaniels, Carter
Deng, Ingram, Metta
Randle, Nance
Monroe, Black, Zubac

We secure the 2nd worst record (26-27 wins) and win the lottery.

We convey LAL 17 2nd and LAL 18 2nd to Orlando to extinguish obligation.

Draft Day trade: Lakers send #1 overall pick Fultz, Julius Randle and Jordan Clarkson for Paul George.

Pacers can sport a lineup of: Fultz, Clarkson, X, Randle, Turner.

Lakers have: Russell, PG, Ingram, Deng, Monroe.

[larry14r]

Guys we're never going to get Paul George from Indiana, and also may I remind you that can opt out after next year basically he'll be rental. So if we do a deal like that there better be an contract extension in place or no deal, Anyways it doesn't matter because Larry Bird already said George is going no where.

[Kilroy]

Yeah, I think Butler is a more realistic target than PG... In fact, if we are in fact tanking at this point, and since the top players in the draft are all PGs, I think it might make sense to try to pry Butler from Chicago with some combination of Russell, JC, Nance...

Ball/?
Butler/?
Ingram/Young
Randle/Robinson
Zubacca/Black

[myersia]

Yeah, I think Butler is a more realistic target than PG... In fact, if we are in fact tanking at this point, and since the top players in the draft are all PGs, I think it might make sense to try to pry Butler from Chicago with some combination of Russell, JC, Nance...

Ball/?
Butler/?
Ingram/Young
Randle/Robinson
Zubacca/Black

Butler should be the target. Butler next to Ingram and Randle is a great fit.

[larry14r]

Yeah, I think Butler is a more realistic target than PG... In fact, if we are in fact tanking at this point, and since the top players in the draft are all PGs, I think it might make sense to try to pry Butler from Chicago with some combination of Russell, JC, Nance...

Ball/?
Butler/?
Ingram/Young
Randle/Robinson
Zubacca/Black

No way the Bulls go for this and any trade talk that involves Bulter the draft pick will be the first thing Bulls ask for or no deal. So the Lakers have no leverage in anything.

[Kilroy]

Yeah, I think Butler is a more realistic target than PG... In fact, if we are in fact tanking at this point, and since the top players in the draft are all PGs, I think it might make sense to try to pry Butler from Chicago with some combination of Russell, JC, Nance...

Ball/?
Butler/?
Ingram/Young
Randle/Robinson
Zubacca/Black

No way the Bulls go for this and any trade talk that involves Bulter the draft pick will be the first thing Bulls ask for or no deal. So the Lakers have no leverage in anything.

They won't ask for the draft pick now... It's worthless now.

[MelosSoreWrist]

Cant trade a top 3 pick so you can build an 8th seed in the playoffs.

Pick best available player, and see if you finally drafted a superstar.

This will be a long process. No shortcuts. Top 3 pick this year, Ingram, Russell, Randle, Clarkson, Nance. You ride their development. When someone emerges, then make trades to complement him and create a contender.

[Vesper]

I think Butler is easier to get than PG13 as well. I think Hoiberg wants to start fresh with young guys running his offense, rather than guys like Wade and Rondo. They should of never signed wade and rondo this summer imo...

If we give them JC and Randle (Not based on fit with Hoiberg) and the top 3 pick I think they might bite. Hoiberg can draft his franchise player this season and they have a few decent young players in mcdermot and valentine to start with. (probably will tank again in 2017 for porter or someone else).

MY CORE IS RUSS + INGRAM +NANCE. (ZUBAC is a probable too)

Also, if Gordon goes to Boston, I think we should try to get Crowder on our team.

[myersia]

Is John Wall a franchise player? If he is available should we offer some of our core to build around a legit player like Wall? Wonder if the Wiz bite on Russell, Lou, filler for Wall? Not sure I'd do it if they wanted Randle too.

[Landsberger]

I'd look at the make up of the team and do this:

Move Russell for a true PG who can finish at the hoop. If we could get Butler for him and the pick I'd do it and never look back. We could get a PG who can finish elsewhere.
Move Randle for a stretch 4. Not sure who's available but Randle is expendable with Ingram here. The one thing he does better than most PF's is the thing that Ingram does better than him. His inability to show any consistency facing up ensures that the middle is always clogged with the opposing PF.

These two moves would open up the pick and roll with Zubac and really help a guy like Ingram operate in space. Having a stretch PF who can draw the defense out opens up the lane for guys like Clarkson as well.

Zubac's emergence is going to be interesting. Luke's offense is not really set up to use a center the way Zubac can be used. I hope he adjusts the offense over the summer to get the most out of him. He could be the one differentiator we have going forward on most nights.

[Vesper]

I'd look at the make up of the team and do this:

Move Russell for a true PG who can finish at the hoop. If we could get Butler for him and the pick I'd do it and never look back. We could get a PG who can finish elsewhere.
Move Randle for a stretch 4. Not sure who's available but Randle is expendable with Ingram here. The one thing he does better than most PF's is the thing that Ingram does better than him. His inability to show any consistency facing up ensures that the middle is always clogged with the opposing PF.

These two moves would open up the pick and roll with Zubac and really help a guy like Ingram operate in space. Having a stretch PF who can draw the defense out opens up the lane for guys like Clarkson as well.

Zubac's emergence is going to be interesting. Luke's offense is not really set up to use a center the way Zubac can be used. I hope he adjusts the offense over the summer to get the most out of him. He could be the one differentiator we have going forward on most nights.

HAHAHA... Clarkson is probably the first person out of the youngcore that will be traded.... You can bash Russ as much as you want, however, JC is the one that will leave..

[rzzzzz]

1967 (Summer of Love)

[TylersLakers]

Let's start with Fultz or Ball and go from there.

[Crooked-I]

1. Keep our pick and get Fultz/Ball/Jackson, doesn't matter who I think they all are going to be great and all can fit on this team. If I had to chose I think i'd pick Ball tho.
2. Keep the young core together and see what they can get accomplished next year.

[Landsberger]

I'd look at the make up of the team and do this:

Move Russell for a true PG who can finish at the hoop. If we could get Butler for him and the pick I'd do it and never look back. We could get a PG who can finish elsewhere.
Move Randle for a stretch 4. Not sure who's available but Randle is expendable with Ingram here. The one thing he does better than most PF's is the thing that Ingram does better than him. His inability to show any consistency facing up ensures that the middle is always clogged with the opposing PF.

These two moves would open up the pick and roll with Zubac and really help a guy like Ingram operate in space. Having a stretch PF who can draw the defense out opens up the lane for guys like Clarkson as well.

Zubac's emergence is going to be interesting. Luke's offense is not really set up to use a center the way Zubac can be used. I hope he adjusts the offense over the summer to get the most out of him. He could be the one differentiator we have going forward on most nights.

HAHAHA... Clarkson is probably the first person out of the youngcore that will be traded.... You can bash Russ as much as you want, however, JC is the one that will leave..

OK... trade Clarkson and Zubac for a guard. If you cared to understand what I was saying rather than make this a childish Clarkson vs Russell snit you'd understand how the players actually complement one another. Russell isn't good at either getting to the hoop or finishing. You'll probably disagree with he's only 20 and needs 2 more years. Clarkson's game is more limited than Russell's in a few ways but he can both get to the hoop and finish which is what you have to have to play pick and roll. He's also a better shooter from just about everywhere and especially the mid-range which again is needed with pick and roll.

The point is that if Zubac ascends to a starting position in a year or 2 then to use his best talents we need a guard that can finish to threaten the defense on pick and rolls. Clarkson may indeed be traded before Russell.... no one is going to trade value for a guy who's having injury issues and isn't shooting over 40%.

[MrWaffles]

What is the ideal summer for the Lakers?

For myself, an ideal summer consists of:

1. Keeping the pick and flipping the pick for either PG13 or Butler.
2. Breaking up the young core and trading Randle/JC along with the pick for either pg13 or butler.
3. Signing Gordon Hayward. The more I see Ingram, the more I picture him as our future stretch 4.
4. Signing either Jrue Holiday or Deron Williams. Both are risky contracts, but if we can get them to sign short term deals, that would be perfect.
5. I would like to trade either Deng or Mozgov. Don't need to trade both, but pref Mozgov. Think he would be better suited elsewhere and we might play better without him. However, the problem is also I think zubac is like 2 years away from being ready and I don't think black is a legit starting center. One guy that is a RFA that might not resign that would be perfect with us is Mason Plumlee. (BLazers F themselves over the past summer)

Russ Deron/Jrue
Butler LouWIll
Hayward Young
Deng Nance Black
PLumlee Zubac Black

1 & 2 : You want to trade our top 3 pick along with Randle and or Clarkson for an expiring contract in PG.....LOLOLOLOLLOLOL

3 : Gordan Hayward is Boston bond, I can confirm that. He has said himself he will consider the factor of being able to compete for a championship during free agency. That eliminates us, sorry bud!

4. Jrue Holiday / Derron Williams would be nice on a one year deal, but that won't happen. Jrue will get 20 million/year and Williams will probably get somewhere around 10-15. Actually, I think we actually might go after Williams because the current Lakers FO has no idea what to do We cannot offer more than a million dollars to a washed up vet. We already have over $32 million a year going to two washed up Vets.

5.Mozgov and Deng have no value, whatsoever on the trade market. Unless we add a kid and a pick, neither of those players are going anywhere.

Hate to ruin your summer so early!


Anyways, here's mine (which is even more unrealistic, but much more desireable)

1.Fire Jim and Mitch one week after the NBA regular season ends.
2.Promote Ryan West and convince Jerry West to come back.
3.Keep our pick.
4.Trade Randle/Deng as a package and then Clarkson/Williams/Mozgov in a package.
5. Draft Fultz/Ball/Monk/Fox/ anyone but a big guy will work
6.DON'T HAND OUT ANY CONTRACTS THAT ARE OVER 3 YEARS. JUST DON'T DO IT. PERIOD.
7.Conserve cap space for 2018 (Cousins and PG13)

our core going forward.

Fultz / GPII
D'Angelo
Ingram /
Nance /
Black / Zubac

[larry14r]

What is the ideal summer for the Lakers?

For myself, an ideal summer consists of:

1. Keeping the pick and flipping the pick for either PG13 or Butler.
2. Breaking up the young core and trading Randle/JC along with the pick for either pg13 or butler.
3. Signing Gordon Hayward. The more I see Ingram, the more I picture him as our future stretch 4.
4. Signing either Jrue Holiday or Deron Williams. Both are risky contracts, but if we can get them to sign short term deals, that would be perfect.
5. I would like to trade either Deng or Mozgov. Don't need to trade both, but pref Mozgov. Think he would be better suited elsewhere and we might play better without him. However, the problem is also I think zubac is like 2 years away from being ready and I don't think black is a legit starting center. One guy that is a RFA that might not resign that would be perfect with us is Mason Plumlee. (BLazers F themselves over the past summer)

Russ Deron/Jrue
Butler LouWIll
Hayward Young
Deng Nance Black
PLumlee Zubac Black

1 & 2 : You want to trade our top 3 pick along with Randle and or Clarkson for an expiring contract in PG.....LOLOLOLOLLOLOL

3 : Gordan Hayward is Boston bond, I can confirm that. He has said himself he will consider the factor of being able to compete for a championship during free agency. That eliminates us, sorry bud!

4. Jrue Holiday / Derron Williams would be nice on a one year deal, but that won't happen. Jrue will get 20 million/year and Williams will probably get somewhere around 10-15. Actually, I think we actually might go after Williams because the current Lakers FO has no idea what to do We cannot offer more than a million dollars to a washed up vet. We already have over $32 million a year going to two washed up Vets.

5.Mozgov and Deng have no value, whatsoever on the trade market. Unless we add a kid and a pick, neither of those players are going anywhere.

Hate to ruin your summer so early!


Anyways, here's mine (which is even more unrealistic, but much more desireable)

1.Fire Jim and Mitch one week after the NBA regular season ends.
2.Promote Ryan West and convince Jerry West to come back.
3.Keep our pick.
4.Trade Randle/Deng as a package and then Clarkson/Williams/Mozgov in a package.
5. Draft Fultz/Ball/Monk/Fox/ anyone but a big guy will work
6.DON'T HAND OUT ANY CONTRACTS THAT ARE OVER 3 YEARS. JUST DON'T DO IT. PERIOD.
7.Conserve cap space for 2018 (Cousins and PG13)

our core going forward.

Fultz / GPII
D'Angelo
Ingram /
Nance /
Black / Zubac

Yeah, but I'm going to ruin your summer right now #7 won't happen because the CBA made sure of that and Cousins will sign a huge deal with the Kings in the Summer, #4 Won't happen because like you said no one wants Deng or Mozgov, #2, Won't happen because no matter how much Ryan loves his dad he's never coming back. #''s 1, and 6 is 50/50 at best. So #'s 3, and 5 are the most realistic ideas you have.

[Vesper]

I'd look at the make up of the team and do this:

Move Russell for a true PG who can finish at the hoop. If we could get Butler for him and the pick I'd do it and never look back. We could get a PG who can finish elsewhere.
Move Randle for a stretch 4. Not sure who's available but Randle is expendable with Ingram here. The one thing he does better than most PF's is the thing that Ingram does better than him. His inability to show any consistency facing up ensures that the middle is always clogged with the opposing PF.

These two moves would open up the pick and roll with Zubac and really help a guy like Ingram operate in space. Having a stretch PF who can draw the defense out opens up the lane for guys like Clarkson as well.

Zubac's emergence is going to be interesting. Luke's offense is not really set up to use a center the way Zubac can be used. I hope he adjusts the offense over the summer to get the most out of him. He could be the one differentiator we have going forward on most nights.

HAHAHA... Clarkson is probably the first person out of the youngcore that will be traded.... You can bash Russ as much as you want, however, JC is the one that will leave..

OK... trade Clarkson and Zubac for a guard. If you cared to understand what I was saying rather than make this a childish Clarkson vs Russell snit you'd understand how the players actually complement one another. Russell isn't good at either getting to the hoop or finishing. You'll probably disagree with he's only 20 and needs 2 more years. Clarkson's game is more limited than Russell's in a few ways but he can both get to the hoop and finish which is what you have to have to play pick and roll. He's also a better shooter from just about everywhere and especially the mid-range which again is needed with pick and roll.

The point is that if Zubac ascends to a starting position in a year or 2 then to use his best talents we need a guard that can finish to threaten the defense on pick and rolls. Clarkson may indeed be traded before Russell.... no one is going to trade value for a guy who's having injury issues and isn't shooting over 40%.

Better shooter? In what world?

JC has tunnel vision and dishes out when there is literally NO OPTION FOR HIM. If there is a small crack, he still goes in fullspeed and makes the wrong play most of the time.

YOU wonder why even with Russell's injury, Clarkson never started this season?

Watch some games before you go on espn.com for stats