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The importance of picking a superstar in the next draft 

Post#1 » by Slava » Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:10 pm

So now that the early optimism of the 10-10 start has worn off, we are at the point of the season where we have firm idea of where this team's ceiling for the season is and currently it looks like only Brooklyn is going to be worse. So either we keep our pick this season or we have ours unprotected for next season it is vitally important for us to land a superstar through the draft.

To piggyback on Kevin Pelton's article for ESPN insider,

1. We currently don't have one in the making unless one of our youngsters defies expectations and delivers a pleasant surprise

Still, the Lakers' years in the lottery will prove worth it only if they can develop a star from their lottery picks. Randle and Russell haven't yet shown that potential on a consistent basis, though they could certainly get there. And while it's entirely premature to render a verdict on 2016 No. 2 overall pick Brandon Ingram, who's still 19, the early returns have not been encouraging.

Ingram's hot college shooting (he shot 41.0 percent on 3s in his lone year at Duke) hasn't held up; he's making just 29.7 percent from 3-point range, seventh worst among players with at least 100 attempts, according to Basketball-Reference.com. Worse yet, Ingram is also making less than 40 percent of his 2-point attempts (39.8 percent), which would make him the 25th player in NBA history to pull off that particular double.

The inaccurate shooting has outweighed the promise Ingram has shown as a playmaker and defender. His 2.8 wins below replacement level by my WARP metric are worst in the league, as is his minus-5.4 rating in ESPN's real plus-minus (RPM).
Naturally, that's partially because Ingram has played more than the typical 19-year-old rookie, but it's hard to find players who have started so poorly and become anything more than capable reserves.


2. Thanks to Jimbo and Mitch's unfounded exuberance over the summer, we are cap tied for the foreseeable future

This year's draft seems even more important for the Lakers in the context of their past seven months. First, the Lakers spent lavishly in last summer's free-agency period in a misguided effort to win now. Their four-year, $64 million deal for Mozgov looked irrationally exuberant at the time, and already the Lakers have been much better with Mozgov on the bench this season.

Meanwhile, Luol Deng has predictably struggled at small forward after revitalizing his career as an undersized 4 last season with the Miami Heat. Because Deng is 31 and Mozgov 30, those contracts only figure to get worse as both players age.


3. Even otherwise if we move our money around, getting a superstar in free agency us near impossible because the new CBA incentivizes superstars to stay with their teams

Despite overpaying Deng and Mozgov, the Lakers could still clear $20-plus million in cap space this summer by waiving Black, whose $6.7 million salary is non-guaranteed. However, the addition of the designated player rule in the new NBA collective bargaining agreement makes it less likely the league's best players change teams in free agency. Unless the Lakers can persuade Blake Griffin to change locker rooms at Staples Center (and clear the remaining necessary space to get him), they're likely going to be bidding on second-tier free agents such as Gordon Hayward of the Utah Jazz for the foreseeable future.

Adding such a player in free agency can still help fill out a contending roster, but the Lakers aren't anywhere close to having one right now.


http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/18541224/how-far-los-angeles-lakers-winning-nba

It remains to be seen who will be in charge at the end of the season as Jeannie is done posturing and there are rumors that she is going to try her hardest to entice Jerry West back into the fold but Jerry has recently had a medical scare and needed to be hospitalized. So its open to speculation how much longer he even wants to be around the game.

No matter who comes in, the next two drafts are going to dictate if we are ever going to take off or be slammed down to being a constant in the NBA cellar for a long while. It could ofcourse get worse if we also owe an unprotected pick to Orlando.
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Post#2 » by dockingsched » Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:19 pm

I think no matter who comes takes over in the event Jim is let go, the only real course of action is to draft high and develop the youth. That's why I don't really care about part of it going forward. For me Jim's replacement would really just need to be an established personality that brings confidence in this franchise back, change the perception.

As far as on court moves, the new CBA and the regrettable signings of this off season have made free agency a non starter. From a trade perspective the assets currently on the team make it difficult to make any moves of note. Lakers are stuck with only one exit right now, draft and develop.
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Post#3 » by TylersLakers » Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:35 pm

Can't argue with anything I read in those blurbs.

The contract to Mozgov is particularly brutal. The Deng contract actually made sense to me. Not Mozgov.
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Post#4 » by aaron_gray » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:15 pm

It is far too early to say the Lakers don't have a superstar in the making. I can give you a very long list of 23-26 year olds who are considered franchise players now that showed less than what Ingram has shown in his rookie year.
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Post#5 » by jigga_man » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:41 pm

aaron_gray wrote:It is far too early to say the Lakers don't have a superstar in the making. I can give you a very long list of 23-26 year olds who are considered franchise players now that showed less than what Ingram has shown in his rookie year.


I would love to see that list, and I mean that sincerely because I would love to be wrong. He's putting up abysmal numbers and it is rare someone performing this poorly become anymore than a role player.
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Post#6 » by slifersd » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:00 pm

The position we find ourselves in right now is exactly the type of risk you take on when you use a "suck and draft" strategy. Sixers accumulated about as much asset as they could in the draft, and did a good job at drafting too, and all of that seemed meaningless until Embiid turned out to be that star they were looking for/needed. We are in the same place. Dlo, Randle, Nance, Zubac and Ingram are nice, but without a star among them, we are doomed to be a mid tier team at best, bottom dwellers at worst. This is also why I am wary of continuing down this path of "suck and draft". Certainly, the next guy we draft could be that superstar, maybe Lonzo Ball is the new John Wall, but there is also a high likelihood that he doesn't turn out to be anything more than a decent player. Two years ago, we were talking about how the 2015 draft was a can't miss draft for us, and we got DLo, who has not shown enough to give the fan base hope that we are on the right track at all. Things can always change, and Ingram might turn out to be the new Antetokoumpo, but this suck and draft strategy is not some safe haven, sure fire strategy to get us back to the top. We need to start making moves in FA or trades to stock up the team as well, not just hope the next draft is going to be the one where we get a bunch of stars.
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Post#7 » by Kilroy » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:01 pm

jigga_man wrote:
aaron_gray wrote:It is far too early to say the Lakers don't have a superstar in the making. I can give you a very long list of 23-26 year olds who are considered franchise players now that showed less than what Ingram has shown in his rookie year.


I would love to see that list, and I mean that sincerely because I would love to be wrong. He's putting up abysmal numbers and it is rare someone performing this poorly become anymore than a role player.


Ingram's kind of a unique case... There haven't been a whole lot of future superstars that were that physically immature when they were rookies. Ingram's still got another couple years of growing into his body. That's rare. Even Durant was farther along...

So give him time... He's also playing with a bunch of guys who themselves, haven't entirely figured out what they're going to be in the NBA yet. That's got to make it difficult to get you're own game on track.

I think this draft comes down to one question and it has nothing to do with Ingram... "Can Russell become the player we all hoped he can be?"

If the FO still thinks he can, and we do get the first or second pick in the draft, I think we might look to try to trade for a Superstar rather than trying to draft one... Maybe try to package it to a team like Chicago for Butler... Etc...
But if the FO thinks he can't and since the best guys in the draft are guards, I think they might take the pick and try to trade Russell for a superstar.
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Post#8 » by Landsberger » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:17 pm

Picking a superstar at age 19 is a serious crap shoot IMHO. None of the potential draft picks stand out in any significant way over another. It's still a wait 4 years and see what we have scenario. This is why I wish the rule was at least 3 years from HS instead of 1. That 2 year risk would be negated somewhat and the "development" would be at the College level not at in the "show".

This is why we see a few players in each draft that everyone gets crazy about being the next whomever and then they turn out to be something else.

If there is a way to get a young player in the NBA who's on that track that is 25 or so I'd trade this pick and one of the top 3 of our young guys for him over hoping that this years next whomever can become that guy in 3 years.

As for what we've done to date in this rebuild. We've done as well as we could have. Could we have foreseen Portzingis? Probably not. Did we do well with Clarkson and Zubac? Yeah.... Is Russell the next Laker great? Probably not. Is he a good player? I say yes in the right position. Is Ingram a front like scorer? Doesn't look that way. Is he a complete package? Yes... that looks to be the case.

So from the bottom of the barrel (which I put around the time of the Howard billboards) we've done as well as could be expected with what we had left as far as the draft. FA is a different story however. Why Deng and Mosgov? Probably because they thought we were a couple of vets away from a playoff spot. Why not trade Young and Williams? That conversation isn't over hopefully.

My personal belief is that we're going to get where we want to be faster by not saying that our young guys ARE the guys and look at them as assets to use to get the GUYS we need. I'd say everything in on the table if the right package comes along.
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Post#9 » by Duke4life831 » Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:00 am

Definitely way too soon to write anyone off. But ya you dont see too often a guy going from the worst player in the NBA to a superstar. All stats and advance stats kind of say Ingram is making the worst impact compared to any other player.
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Post#10 » by baldur » Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:29 am

these youngsters are not taking us anywhere high. send mozgov-deng-young and 2019 first to nets for brook lopez and a filler maybe so that we can have the highest chance to keep our pick this year by finishing with the worst record. this year's draft is considered phenomenal as you all know. we need a true franchise player-to-be player from the draft just like embiid, porzingis or KAT. we can have the hope for the future after selecting fultz or ball and seeing how promising they are in the next season.
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Post#11 » by MrWaffles » Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:32 am

baldur wrote:these youngsters are not taking us anywhere high. send mozgov-deng-young and 2019 first to nets for brook lopez and a filler maybe so that we can have the highest chance to keep our pick this year by finishing with the worst record. this year's draft is considered phenomenal as you all know. we need a true franchise player-to-be player from the draft just like embiid, porzingis or KAT. we can have the hope for the future after selecting fultz or ball and seeing how promising they are in the next season.



There's not a single GM in this league that will take Mozgov and Deng. Let alone one of them.

Glad to see more people are on the tank train though.
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Post#12 » by Kupchak9 » Sat Jan 28, 2017 7:28 am

Ball would be my pick. The way I see it, we have alot of guys that are capable finishers but no one with the vision or IQ to initiate. Ball's been able to elevate a pretty crappy UCLA team to title contentions and I'm confident he'd be able to replicate the same type of performance with the Lakers.
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Post#13 » by Showtime:Part2 » Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:06 pm

lonzo ball for sure. if we miss on him, i still think fultz/smith jr will be bare minimum all stars at least once. but ball is going to be a hof player. also too early imo to write off ingram. he just isnt physically developed and we have seen flashes. at 19, all you need is to see flashes. i also dont see why zubac can't be a future all star. what exactly was marc gasol doing at 19?
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Post#14 » by Michael Lucky » Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:14 pm

Even trades for star players are unlikely now since an organization is far more likely to call a players bluff with the leverage they will have under the new CBA. The only option is really to tank and strike gold. Maybe we will get lucky and get Fultz.

Honestly while I understand why the owners pushed for this new cba, I have a feeling that it will end up hurting revenue in the end. The league needs their big markets to do well and bring in revenue. I don't see the league doing all that well if year in and year out you have the bucks, grizzlies, nuggets of the world making the finals.
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Post#15 » by Pointgod » Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:48 pm

This might be our last chance at landing a superstar in the draft. Despite what many people think there's a strong history of number 1 picks turning into all-stars. Thus if we nail this we can set ourselves up nicely. We have a good young core and an up and coming coach. Nothing wrong with going shooting for a home run.
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Post#16 » by Landsberger » Sat Jan 28, 2017 8:23 pm

All Stars are popular and not necessarily team leaders etc. Dwight Howard has been to several All Star games but I wouldn't want him to give cups of water to our team.

The draft is a huge crapshoot with all of the 19 year olds these days. Immaturity, attitude, entitlement are all buoyed by giving these kids too much attention before they have done anything. The hype kills them a lot of the time before they ever hit the floor. The number of top 10 picks that have done zero far outweighs the All Stars as well.
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Post#17 » by danfantastk32 » Sun Jan 29, 2017 7:20 am

slifersd wrote:The position we find ourselves in right now is exactly the type of risk you take on when you use a "suck and draft" strategy. Sixers accumulated about as much asset as they could in the draft, and did a good job at drafting too, and all of that seemed meaningless until Embiid turned out to be that star they were looking for/needed. We are in the same place. Dlo, Randle, Nance, Zubac and Ingram are nice, but without a star among them, we are doomed to be a mid tier team at best, bottom dwellers at worst. This is also why I am wary of continuing down this path of "suck and draft".


You have to admit, we've have salary cap space, and have invited...and 'wined and dined' superstars for several years with no bites. You can't just knock them over the head, and make them come here. Sadly we overspent on some mediocre talent last offseason, and so now the FA route becomes even harder.

The truth is....this team needs to be trying both routes. We have little to no talent right now. Potential talent.....yeah, that's possible or even likely...depending on your view. But there ain't alot currently on this squad. So you gotta try and pick it up wherever you can find it.
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Post#18 » by Danny Darko » Sun Jan 29, 2017 7:21 pm

I don't think the Ingram points are completely fair if you look at some other young guys who were still growing into their body like Greek Freak, Jermaine O'Neal, etc...

I don't think a guys goes from shooting so well in college to not being a shooter. He'll be fine, he just has to get stronger... I don't know if he'll be a superstar but he's a top 2 on a talented team guy for sure and they are underplaying what a nice suprise his all around savvy and defensive effort has been. He's a couple split seconds away from a bunch of blocks a game. You can see that when he gets a little more explosive, he'll reach tons of the ones people are just barely getting past him.

I have Ingram is the untradeable one of the young guys.
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Post#19 » by Landsberger » Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:52 pm

I think Ingram will be a very good overall player. I have my doubts about him being a go to scorer however. Not only is he not shooting well he's not getting good shots. Strength will increase but I'm not sold that it alone will make him a 45% shooter able to get his own shot at will. The rest of the package is as well rounded as we have on the entire team as far as feel for the game, defensive intensity and talent. A guy who plays the game like Grant Hill is what I can see from him over a guy like Durant who can score at will.

He'd be the last of the top 3 I'd trade. Then again I think the team needs to find a cohesive group that work together over just waiting it out. A group that works together often is better than 2 or 3 guys who can get theirs while not being complementary. Durant/Westbrook come to mind. Iverson/Melo also.
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Post#20 » by Crooked-I » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:08 pm

Landsberger wrote:I think Ingram will be a very good overall player. I have my doubts about him being a go to scorer however. Not only is he not shooting well he's not getting good shots. Strength will increase but I'm not sold that it alone will make him a 45% shooter able to get his own shot at will. The rest of the package is as well rounded as we have on the entire team as far as feel for the game, defensive intensity and talent. A guy who plays the game like Grant Hill is what I can see from him over a guy like Durant who can score at will.

He'd be the last of the top 3 I'd trade. Then again I think the team needs to find a cohesive group that work together over just waiting it out. A group that works together often is better than 2 or 3 guys who can get theirs while not being complementary. Durant/Westbrook come to mind. Iverson/Melo also.


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