Jim Buss - the mad king

LakersLegacy · Post #1 » by **LakersLegacy** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 11:12 pm

When Jim Buss says "I'm going to take Magic at face value that he is really here to help" isn't he saying that Magic probably has an ulterior motive.

Its pretty clear Jim isn't happy about Magic joining the origination but the fans are thrilled. Shouldn't Jim work with Magic.

Jim doesn't want to meet with Magic until after the trade deadline which seems strange. Why not get things rolling now.

The Lakers worked for years to get max space and he used it on players on the wrong side of 30 Deng and Mozgav. What do u think about Jim?

Post #2 » by **TyCobb** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 11:16 pm

I think he is finally feeling some pressure and accountability.

Post #3 » by **Kilroy** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 11:35 pm

Magic himself said he doesn't fully comprehend the CBA right now... What possible help could he be leading up to the trade deadline?

Post #4 » by **dockingsched** » Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:05 am

Thoughts on Jim are that I always understood their motives and supported their patience to not sacrifice flexibility for moves that would just result in incremental improvement at the expense of true title contender potential. This off season when they signed Mozgov and Deng, they basically hedged their bets on those two and it's been a clear failure. It's now put the lakers in a situation where it's do or die for this current rebuild, in two years the lakers will be locked into rookie deals that are now huge extensions. They have to get the core to a title contender in the next two years or it's time to reset. For that, I have no problem with their dismissal anymore.

Dr Aki · Post #5 » by **Dr Aki** » Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:32 am

this summer is do or die really...

look at the laker's salary position, it's currently at about 81 mil

the salary cap for 2017/18 is about 102 million, that leaves the lakers with 21 mil to play with

find takers for lou (7 mil exp), nick (5.6 mil optout/exp), black (6.6 mil exp), -5.2 mil for a top 3 draft pick (if we're so lucky), there's room for a gordon hayward in there, maybe even try to poach blake griffin, he of all players would be acutely aware how he'd be treated like a god in LA as a laker, heck if we're really shooting for the moon, maybe even go after noel, or roberson

then refill the roster with huertas, trob on vet mins after we cap ourselves

there's a very clear path forward, it's just jimmy and mitch's final chance at it

Post #6 » by **Kilroy** » Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:39 am

Jim Buss isn't his dad... Neither is Jeanie... I can't for the life of me figure out why they can't seem to realize that butting heads just accentuates their failings... If they could just find a way to work together, I think they could be a strong complimentary team...

But as it is and with Magic being hired to drive a wedge between them, they're pretty useless... But I will say that I admire Jim's ability to keep his mouth shut. Dude's taken a cargo carrier full of **** from everyone from fans to his own family, and I don't think I've ever heard him snap back... Kudos to him for that at least.

I don't have a problem with any of the moves they've made... Even Deng and Mozgov, because I think they realized the new cap was going to drive everything up now and again in the future to the point where those contracts wouldn't really look that bad.
I think they fully expected this season to be the season they needed to make some trades, and realized you can't just create trades with guys on rookie contracts... You need a couple big salary guys as filler if you want to bring in some star power. Deng and Mozgov were relatively safe bets. So they weren't really concerned about the long term impact...

So while I have no real affinity for Jim Buss, I see no reason for the hate he deserves or conversely, the love Jeanie always seems to get... And as much as I may be disappointed in a team run by both Jeanie and Jim, I think a team run just by Jeanie would be a colossal cluster ****... And I think we're getting a taste of that now...

I think the entire FO needs to be emptied... I think the team needs to suck for like 5 more years to get the stink out... I think the TV contracts need to go... And I think an owner needs to come in with a real love of the game of basketball and a vision for how to get there...
I think only then will we all be able to just focus on the game on the court and stop getting distracted by the 'personalities' in the front office.

Landsberger · Post #7 » by **Landsberger** » Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:23 am

Kilroy wrote:Magic himself said he doesn't fully comprehend the CBA right now... What possible help could he be leading up to the trade deadline?

Watch twitter and TNT for his "help". It's coming.

For what it's worth.... we have posters on this board that understand the CBA. That proves it's not rocket science..... :lol:

Post #8 » by **dockingsched** » Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:54 am

Landsberger wrote:
Kilroy wrote:Magic himself said he doesn't fully comprehend the CBA right now... What possible help could he be leading up to the trade deadline?

Watch twitter and TNT for his "help". It's coming.

For what it's worth.... we have posters on this board that understand the CBA. That proves it's not rocket science.....

Not that the CBA is rocket science, but playing basketball really has nothing to do with understanding the intricatcies of all the rules surrounding contract structure, trades, and general navigation around any number of different CBA rules. I'd bet there's a ton of posters on here that are more qualified than Magic through their different education and experience to interpret the CBA.

Landsberger · Post #9 » by **Landsberger** » Sat Feb 11, 2017 5:00 am

dockingsched wrote:
Landsberger wrote:
Kilroy wrote:Magic himself said he doesn't fully comprehend the CBA right now... What possible help could he be leading up to the trade deadline?

Watch twitter and TNT for his "help". It's coming.

For what it's worth.... we have posters on this board that understand the CBA. That proves it's not rocket science.....

Not that the CBA is rocket science, but playing basketball really has nothing to do with understanding the intricatcies of all the rules surrounding contract structure, trades, and general navigation around any number of different CBA rules. I'd bet there's a ton of posters on here that are more qualified than Magic through their different education and experience to interpret the CBA.

Yup. That's what I was saying. Him not knowing it is a little strange for a guy coming in to save the SS Laker from sinking further.

iamworthy · Post #10 » by **iamworthy** » Sat Feb 11, 2017 5:06 am

Reading and understanding the CBA is childs play for Magic.

Post #11 » by **Kilroy** » Sat Feb 11, 2017 6:16 am

iamworthy wrote:Reading and understanding the CBA is childs play for Magic.

That's not the point... The point is, is it reasonable to assume in the upcoming days, he could understand the implications of the CBA on potential trades better than Mitch? Magic has never been a GM before. He has zero experience with any of this... I'm sure he could do it eventually, but zero to 'calling the shots' before the deadline?

iamworthy · Post #12 » by **iamworthy** » Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:37 pm

Kilroy wrote:
iamworthy wrote:Reading and understanding the CBA is childs play for Magic.

That's not the point... The point is, is it reasonable to assume in the upcoming days, he could understand the implications of the CBA on potential trades better than Mitch? Magic has never been a GM before. He has zero experience with any of this... I'm sure he could do it eventually, but zero to 'calling the shots' before the deadline?

That's a moot point since Mitch all but said they're not trading their young players. And magic said he's not doing anything until the summer. So what does that leave, small deals like Nick young our Lou Williams. Also why are people trying to peg magic against Mitch? Who's to say in a meeting of Jim, Mitch, and magic, that magic doesn't side with Mitch. So him having the last call could be to allow Mitch to do his job. There's been speculation over the years that Mitch doesn't get to do his job. But that's all speculation because none of us are at the table.

madmaxmedia · Post #13 » by **madmaxmedia** » Sat Feb 11, 2017 5:28 pm

Landsberger wrote:
Kilroy wrote:Magic himself said he doesn't fully comprehend the CBA right now... What possible help could he be leading up to the trade deadline?

Watch twitter and TNT for his "help". It's coming.

For what it's worth.... we have posters on this board that understand the CBA. That proves it's not rocket science.....

If the president can run the country with Twitter and cable TV, surely Magic can run a basketball team the same way.

(I KID!)

madmaxmedia · Post #14 » by **madmaxmedia** » Sat Feb 11, 2017 5:42 pm

Kilroy wrote:
iamworthy wrote:Reading and understanding the CBA is childs play for Magic.

That's not the point... The point is, is it reasonable to assume in the upcoming days, he could understand the implications of the CBA on potential trades better than Mitch? Magic has never been a GM before. He has zero experience with any of this... I'm sure he could do it eventually, but zero to 'calling the shots' before the deadline?

Mitch Kupchek is really ideal for that, if he can survive whatever turnover is upcoming. I don't know if Magic Johnson is the right guy to lead the process, but it appears Jim Buss is not.

I don't anticipate any major changes between now and trade deadline though, seems more like a late season or end of season thing to transition into the offseason. Although there could be a couple of somewhat significant decisions to be made before then, if there are potential returns for 1 or 2 of our vets.

There's a couple of stories that put a speculative 1st-round pick value on Lou Williams, that would be hard to turn down IMO. He'd be going to a playoff contender so I'm sure he'd be reasonably happy with that.

Landsberger · Post #15 » by **Landsberger** » Sat Feb 11, 2017 6:28 pm

madmaxmedia wrote:
Landsberger wrote:
Kilroy wrote:Magic himself said he doesn't fully comprehend the CBA right now... What possible help could he be leading up to the trade deadline?

Watch twitter and TNT for his "help". It's coming.

For what it's worth.... we have posters on this board that understand the CBA. That proves it's not rocket science.....

If the president can run the country with Twitter and cable TV, surely Magic can run a basketball team the same way.

(I KID!)

I was waiting for that one. :lol:

Similar but the President doesn't have a salary cap....