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I know not everyone is a mathophobe, so this could come in handy for those who need figures into their equation.


Draft Day 2017
Lakers keeping Tarik Black.
Nick Young opts out.
cap: 19,517,814.00


Draft Day 2017
Nick Young opts out.
Tarik Black is let go.
cap: 26,173,139.00

Julius Randle 2018 cap hold: $12,447,727
D'Angelo Russell 2019 cap hold: 21,059,095
Larry Nance, Jr 2019 cap hold: 6,817,172

Let me know if there's any assumption you'd like me to put in, I'll accommodate it.

ie:
what if we traded Randle + Clarkson + Rockets 1st for X player, how much cap would we have to sign PG13 in 2018?
how would our payroll look if we traded Mozgov + Clarkson + Rockets 1st for Brook Lopez?

Sweet thread. I was looking for Randle's cap hold last night when I was posting in the 2018 thread.

Quick question: stretches with Mozgov and Deng. Are we able to stretch both? With the new CBA it's kinda uncertain if we are able to do that. And mathematically, the best time to do that would be this off season correct?

TylersLakers wrote:Quick question: stretches with Mozgov and Deng. Are we able to stretch both? With the new CBA it's kinda uncertain if we are able to do that. And mathematically, the best time to do that would be this off season correct?

The best time to stretch Deng and Moz is after Paul George agrees to sign with us. We'd only do it with a guaranteed commitment during Free Agency.



And yes, we can stretch both. No limit in the CBA for the stretch provision.

Alright, because I'm a tad bit lazy, can the Lakers offer a max contract to a guy like Avery Bradley next summer if they made this trade?

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6851173

My guess is that one or both of Ellis and Young will have to be traded (for space) or stretched.

On 2nd thought: There is a 15% limit to waived salary waived via Stretch Provision and its 15% of the salary cap.

ALL HAIL wrote:Alright, because I'm a tad bit lazy, can the Lakers offer a max contract to a guy like Avery Bradley next summer if they made this trade?

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6851173

My guess is that one or both of Ellis and Young will have to be traded (for space) or stretched.

1st off, the Pacers aren't trading Paul George to LA AND taking on Deng and Mozgov. So we must consider that.

2nd, we cannot use the waive provision on players we didn't sign ourselves.

So Avery Bradley, not sure why you would max him, isn't coming over unless you find a taker for Monta and/or Al Jeff. Oh wait, you gotta drug Larry Bird for that

warren weel im wrote:

ALL HAIL wrote:Alright, because I'm a tad bit lazy, can the Lakers offer a max contract to a guy like Avery Bradley next summer if they made this trade?

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6851173

My guess is that one or both of Ellis and Young will have to be traded (for space) or stretched.

1st off, the Pacers aren't trading Paul George to LA AND taking on Deng and Mozgov. So we must consider that.

2nd, we cannot use the waive provision on players we didn't sign ourselves.

So Avery Bradley, not sure why you would max him, isn't coming over unless you find a taker for Monta and/or Al Jeff. Oh wait, you gotta drug Larry Bird for that

Philosophical differences aside, thanks. I didn't know you couldn't stretch guys you didn't sign. I'd never heard or read that before. Are you sure about that?

Also though, just for the record, Al Jefferson is an expiring next year. In my scenario, the Lakers, I'm assuming according to your numbers, would have to "find a taker" for Monta Ellis or Thad Young to have enough money for a maxed out Avery Bradley ... only one of Thad Young or Monta Ellis would have to be traded? Not both?

I'd be happy to argue the merits of my drugged-up trade proposal in the trade proposal thread. I was under the impression that you were providing a service here. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Don't confuse amnesty clause with stretch provision, you can stretch anyone you want regardless of how you acquired the player

ALL HAIL wrote:

warren weel im wrote:

ALL HAIL wrote:Alright, because I'm a tad bit lazy, can the Lakers offer a max contract to a guy like Avery Bradley next summer if they made this trade?

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6851173

My guess is that one or both of Ellis and Young will have to be traded (for space) or stretched.

1st off, the Pacers aren't trading Paul George to LA AND taking on Deng and Mozgov. So we must consider that.

2nd, we cannot use the waive provision on players we didn't sign ourselves.

So Avery Bradley, not sure why you would max him, isn't coming over unless you find a taker for Monta and/or Al Jeff. Oh wait, you gotta drug Larry Bird for that

Philosophical differences aside, thanks. I didn't know you couldn't stretch guys you didn't sign. I'd never heard or read that before. Are you sure about that?

Also though, just for the record, Al Jefferson is an expiring next year. In my scenario, the Lakers, I'm assuming according to your numbers, would have to "find a taker" for Monta Ellis or Thad Young to have enough money for a maxed out Avery Bradley ... only one of Thad Young or Monta Ellis would have to be traded? Not both?

I'd be happy to argue the merits of my drugged-up trade proposal in the trade proposal thread. I was under the impression that you were providing a service here. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

You're hilarious.

dockingsched wrote:Don't confuse amnesty clause with stretch provision, you can stretch anyone you want regardless of how you acquired the player

I stand corrected on this.

However, 15% of cap rule still applies as it is in the CBA.

TylersLakers wrote:Sweet thread. I was looking for Randle's cap hold last night when I was posting in the 2018 thread.

Quick question: stretches with Mozgov and Deng. Are we able to stretch both? With the new CBA it's kinda uncertain if we are able to do that. And mathematically, the best time to do that would be this off season correct?

There is no need to stretch Mozgov and/or Deng until the salary is actually needed. There is no benefit financially to doing it earlier verses later.

Mozgov:
48m over 7yrs = 6.9m per
33m over 5yrs = 6.6m per
17m over 3yrs = 5.7m per

Deng:
54m over 7yrs = 7.7m per
37m over 5yrs = 7.4m per
19m over 3yrs = 6.3m per

We logically can't stretch both. Your talking almost $15 mil for 7 years....or even 5 years if you waited another year (That's 6 years away). I think stretching 1 guy for 5 years is complete LAST OPTION....you can't do both.

Stretching both is damn near the same as just keeping Mozgov. Only for more than twice the length. Do whatever to move one...and then just live with the other until it's over.

Honestly you just suck up their contract the next three years and move on. Getting rid of one contract means getting rid of one of your assets. It's just not worth it.

DNP-Old wrote:

TylersLakers wrote:Sweet thread. I was looking for Randle's cap hold last night when I was posting in the 2018 thread.

Quick question: stretches with Mozgov and Deng. Are we able to stretch both? With the new CBA it's kinda uncertain if we are able to do that. And mathematically, the best time to do that would be this off season correct?

There is no need to stretch Mozgov and/or Deng until the salary is actually needed. There is no benefit financially to doing it earlier verses later.

Mozgov:
48m over 7yrs = 6.9m per
33m over 5yrs = 6.6m per
17m over 3yrs = 5.7m per

Deng:
54m over 7yrs = 7.7m per
37m over 5yrs = 7.4m per
19m over 3yrs = 6.3m per

There's no need having them on the team next season. Hopefully we can trade one and stretch the other and be done with it. 6-7M for 7 years isn't the end of the world when it's only about 4-5% of the cap.

TylersLakers wrote:

DNP-Old wrote:

TylersLakers wrote:Sweet thread. I was looking for Randle's cap hold last night when I was posting in the 2018 thread.

Quick question: stretches with Mozgov and Deng. Are we able to stretch both? With the new CBA it's kinda uncertain if we are able to do that. And mathematically, the best time to do that would be this off season correct?

There is no need to stretch Mozgov and/or Deng until the salary is actually needed. There is no benefit financially to doing it earlier verses later.

Mozgov:
48m over 7yrs = 6.9m per
33m over 5yrs = 6.6m per
17m over 3yrs = 5.7m per

Deng:
54m over 7yrs = 7.7m per
37m over 5yrs = 7.4m per
19m over 3yrs = 6.3m per

There's no need having them on the team next season. Hopefully we can trade one and stretch the other and be done with it. 6-7M for 7 years isn't the end of the world when it's only about 4-5% of the cap.

4-5% each, or combined?

Looks like we could only stretch one. So with the salary cap being somewhere between 104-107M next season, Mozgov or Deng's stretched contract would be around 5% of the cap. I'm sure the salary cap will rise a bit every year, so that would make the contract for the next 7 years look better and better each year if it was stretched.

Looking at it from a positive perspective.

TylersLakers wrote:Looks like we could only stretch one. So with the salary cap being somewhere between 104-107M next season, Mozgov or Deng's stretched contract would be around 5% of the cap. I'm sure the salary cap will rise a bit every year, so that would make the contract for the next 7 years look better and better each year if it was stretched.

Looking at it from a positive perspective.

108M x 15% = 16.2M

Therefore, we can do both.

Great thread.

warren weel im wrote:

TylersLakers wrote:Looks like we could only stretch one. So with the salary cap being somewhere between 104-107M next season, Mozgov or Deng's stretched contract would be around 5% of the cap. I'm sure the salary cap will rise a bit every year, so that would make the contract for the next 7 years look better and better each year if it was stretched.

Looking at it from a positive perspective.

108M x 15% = 16.2M

Therefore, we can do both.

It's an option management should certainly look into.

If we stretched those two, didn't take on any long term salary this off-season, and kept the two first round picks, what would our cap situation look like come summer of 2018 (with Randle's cap hold)?

TylersLakers wrote:

warren weel im wrote:

TylersLakers wrote:Looks like we could only stretch one. So with the salary cap being somewhere between 104-107M next season, Mozgov or Deng's stretched contract would be around 5% of the cap. I'm sure the salary cap will rise a bit every year, so that would make the contract for the next 7 years look better and better each year if it was stretched.

Looking at it from a positive perspective.

108M x 15% = 16.2M

Therefore, we can do both.

It's an option management should certainly look into.

If we stretched those two, didn't take on any long term salary this off-season, and kept the two first round picks, what would our cap situation look like come summer of 2018 (with Randle's cap hold)?

Cap: 45,702,113.00
Randle renounced: 58,149,840.00

Paul George Max starts at: 32,400,000 <-- because that's probably the next question