Lakers director of basketball analytics resigns

iamworthy · Post #1 » by **iamworthy** » Fri May 5, 2017 1:07 am

Princeinrevolt · Post #2 » by **Princeinrevolt** » Fri May 5, 2017 1:09 am

Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

Michael Lucky · Post #3 » by **Michael Lucky** » Fri May 5, 2017 1:12 am

As long as this is because they are looking to make the department bigger and with a larger focus then I'm fine with it.

Post #4 » by **Slava** » Fri May 5, 2017 5:35 am

Michael Lucky wrote:As long as this is because they are looking to make the department bigger and with a larger focus then I'm fine with it.

Precisely.

Ckay · Post #5 » by **Ckay** » Fri May 5, 2017 6:19 am

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Post #6 » by **Slava** » Fri May 5, 2017 7:23 am

Ckay wrote:https://www.linkedin.com/in/yujulee

60% of his time is spent on writing scripts to scrape data? WTF? That's why you hire programmers and interns you cheap ass ****.

Pythagoras · Post #7 » by **Pythagoras** » Fri May 5, 2017 12:18 pm

Magic specifically called out the team's use of analytics when he came on. This isn't surprising in the least. Now whether the Lakers poor use of analytics was due to the last FO, a poor analytics department, or a combination of both, remains to be seen. In any event, I'm ok with a fresh start there.

Karmaloop · Post #8 » by **Karmaloop** » Fri May 5, 2017 7:26 pm

Pythagoras wrote:Magic specifically called out the team's use of analytics when he came on. This isn't surprising in the least. Now whether the Lakers poor use of analytics was due to the last FO, a poor analytics department, or a combination of both, remains to be seen. In any event, I'm ok with a fresh start there.

Don't the Lakers have one of the smallest analytics departments among NBA teams? I mean, if this is an attempt at a clean start and an attempt to improve it, I'm down.

Post #9 » by **Slava** » Fri May 5, 2017 9:27 pm

Even the trash tier Kings hire really good analytics people.

Read on Twitter

I'm not sure how the richest franchise in the NBA could be penny pinching in this regard.

RingsDontLie · Post #10 » by **RingsDontLie** » Fri May 5, 2017 10:02 pm

Slava wrote:Even the trash tier Kings hire really good analytics people.

Read on Twitter

I'm not sure how the richest franchise in the NBA could be penny pinching in this regard.

So they are trash even with good analytics people. Maybe that tells us analytics is garbage when trying to apply it in the game of basketball. :nod:

I support us moving away from analytics, and investing in good basketball minds like Luke. Use money to invest in technology and more personnel to keep these players healthy would be my focus, especially with all these injury riddled seasons.

Pythagoras · Post #11 » by **Pythagoras** » Fri May 5, 2017 10:21 pm

RingsDontLie wrote:
Slava wrote:Even the trash tier Kings hire really good analytics people.

Read on Twitter

I'm not sure how the richest franchise in the NBA could be penny pinching in this regard.

So they are trash even with good analytics people. Maybe that tells us analytics is garbage when trying to apply it in the game of basketball.

I support us moving away from analytics, and investing in good basketball minds like Luke. Use money to invest in technology and more personnel to keep these players healthy would be my focus, especially with all these injury riddled seasons.

The Spurs and Warriors both built their current teams largely through the use of analytics.

Post #12 » by **Kilroy** » Fri May 5, 2017 10:53 pm

The Spurs and Warriors both have elite, best in the league, judges of talent in charge of talent acquisition. Analytics are a tool they use, not a foundation. That's why they're as good as they are.

Pop could build a winning team with nothing more than a telephone... And Golden State had West for the building phase.

Pythagoras · Post #13 » by **Pythagoras** » Fri May 5, 2017 11:45 pm

The Warriors and Spurs, have both proudly, and openly, admitted to how much they've used analytics to build their teams. That's not even up for debate.

Post #14 » by **dockingsched** » Sat May 6, 2017 12:21 am

Analytics is simply information, can't blame "analytics" if you've don't know how to gather good and valuable data thorough analytics and if you then don't have the right people to interpret it and use it to make decisions.

Crazy to say teams should move away from analytics. That's like telling people to move away from scouting cause you drafted a bust in the lottery.

Post #15 » by **Kilroy** » Sat May 6, 2017 2:10 am

Pythagoras wrote:The Warriors and Spurs, have both proudly, and openly, admitted to how much they've used analytics to build their teams. That's not even up for debate.

That's not the debate.

Every team uses analytics... It's just numbers. There's not a lot of mystery or magic there, despite what these guys may want to tell you... Of course the Spurs and GSW use it. And of course they SAY they use it. It's a hot button topic right now... Look at all the heat the Lakers are getting for just the hint that we're behind the times with analytics.

But analytics are not why they're as successful as they are... They're successful because they've got the the best judges of talent in the league to go with the numbers.

West and Pop were building successful teams in the dark ages...

The best analytics or number guys in the league would be useless without some smart, experienced basketball minds to interpret them. They add color to what you see on the court, they clearly don't tell the whole story.
There are no short-cuts.

So fire all the number guys they want... Just like trainers, there are a lot more where they came from... But just make sure you have someone up top that knows what they're saying and what they REALLY mean, no matter who replaces them.

Pythagoras · Post #16 » by **Pythagoras** » Sat May 6, 2017 3:06 am

Kilroy wrote:
Pythagoras wrote:The Warriors and Spurs, have both proudly, and openly, admitted to how much they've used analytics to build their teams. That's not even up for debate.

That's not the debate.

Every team uses analytics... It's just numbers. There's not a lot of mystery or magic there, despite what these guys may want to tell you... Of course the Spurs and GSW use it. And of course they SAY they use it. It's a hot button topic right now... Look at all the heat the Lakers are getting for just the hint that we're behind the times with analytics.

But analytics are not why they're as successful as they are... They're successful because they've got the the best judges of talent in the league to go with the numbers.

West and Pop were building successful teams in the dark ages...

The best analytics or number guys in the league would be useless without some smart, experienced basketball minds to interpret them. They add color to what you see on the court, they clearly don't tell the whole story.
There are no short-cuts.

So fire all the number guys they want... Just like trainers, there are a lot more where they came from... But just make sure you have someone up top that knows what they're saying and what they REALLY mean, no matter who replaces them.

Neither the Spurs nor the Warriors have any reason to lead people to believe they're using analytics more than they really are. If anything, if they came out and said they weren't really into that stuff, people would applaud their "old school" approach. Pop and West building success ful teams when nobody was really using analytics isn't particularly relevant, because... Nobody was really using analytics.

And no, they don't tell the whole story, you're right about that, but that's never been the argument. The issue is the Lakers don't use analytics enough. As someone else said, it's just information, and it can be used to help make good decisions. It just needs to be: the right information, and interpreted correctly.

danfantastk32 · Post #17 » by **danfantastk32** » Sat May 6, 2017 5:42 am

The Lakers have been behind the ball on analytics, and we've also been the leagues whipping-boy for the last 4-5 years. I have no issue with us cleaning house.

Yes....a few "casualties of war" will arise, but overall, I think this entire franchise needs new faces and new ideas. Sorry for whoever this guy is, but the team blew for the 4th year in a row.....so it's house-cleaning time. Deal with it.

Post #18 » by **Slava** » Sat May 6, 2017 8:40 am

RingsDontLie wrote:
Slava wrote:Even the trash tier Kings hire really good analytics people.

Read on Twitter

I'm not sure how the richest franchise in the NBA could be penny pinching in this regard.

So they are trash even with good analytics people. Maybe that tells us analytics is garbage when trying to apply it in the game of basketball.

I support us moving away from analytics, and investing in good basketball minds like Luke. Use money to invest in technology and more personnel to keep these players healthy would be my focus, especially with all these injury riddled seasons.

That might be the stupidest argument against investing in analytics. Magic's ownership group after purchasing the Dodgers invested heavily in their analytics department so thankfully he has more sense.

SashaTheMachine · Post #19 » by **SashaTheMachine** » Sat May 6, 2017 9:05 am

Another one bites the dust

Frank Dux · Post #20 » by **Frank Dux** » Sat May 6, 2017 10:16 am

It blows my mind that in this day and age, people are willing to completely willing to dismiss analytics.

It's absolutely necessary. Just because you embrace analytics, doesn't mean you become a slave to numbers. How is it a bad thing to have the best team available to hand the FO and coaching staff stacks of data? They can then use that information as they please and can continue to use raw data, the eye test, interviews/personality ALONG with the data they receive. This is exactly what successful team's like the Spurs do. They use every available resource, and their record speaks for itself. They consistently find diamonds in the rough, and they team runs like a well-oiled machine.

We already saw what happened when we had a coach who completely dismissed the modern analytics era in favor of his old school teachings.