Knowing what we know about our youngin' PT.2 draft

[Speedlot]

I did this last year and got some neat feedback.
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1447351&p=47439525&hilit=knowing#p47439525

Let's throw our youngins into the draft!

Where does Russel, Randle, Nance, Ingram, Zubat, and Clarkson belong in this draft?

Would you take Russel over ball?

Ingram number 1

Russel at 3

Nance top 6

Randle top 10

Clarkson top 10

Zubat top 20

[ozymandias818]

I did this last year and got some neat feedback.
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1447351&p=47439525&hilit=knowing#p47439525

Let's throw our youngins into the draft!

Where does Russel, Randle, Nance, Ingram, Zubat, and Clarkson belong in this draft?

Would you take Russel over ball?

Ingram number 1

Russel at 3

Nance top 6

Randle top 10

Clarkson top 10

Zubat top 20

Knowing what we know now?

I feel like Randle would probably be lower, honestly. You may be forgetting how close all of this year's prospects are to one another. Nance would be lower as well. I think most GMs would rather have Zubac than Clarkson too, though as much as Clarkson drives me nuts I understand that a guy that can easily get you 17 points and create his own offense is very valuable. Looks pretty accurate though.

[Michael Lucky]

ugh give me a year first to see how the players in this draft look.

[Spens1]

Ingram - Top 2 (Again)
Russell - 4-6 (him, Fox and Tatum)
Zubac - Top 8 (Best big man)
Julius Randle - Top 20 (I see him and Rabb as similar prospects actually)
Nance Jr - 20-25 (probably one of the best P.F's in the draft but not the best)
Clarkson - 15-20 (good young guard, shot selection would be in question though, would be considered high character).

[Slava]

Ingram 3
Russell 5
Randle 13
Nance Jr. 17-22
Clarkson 26-30
Zubac 18-25

[danfantastk32]

Ingram 3
Russell 5
Randle 13
Nance Jr. 17-22
Clarkson 26-30
Zubac 18-25

I'd put Zubac fairly high....but other than that, I agree.

People like to throw 'post all-star' stats around....but I think Zubac's really took off. The giant exception being that this wasn't his 2nd season or nothing.....that's just when the guy started to actually get some minutes.

I wanna see both Ingram and Zubac get a second year (I hope Zubac gets real minutes)......but I have a feeling they will be quite high in this topic after that.

[Slava]

Ingram 3
Russell 5
Randle 13
Nance Jr. 17-22
Clarkson 26-30
Zubac 18-25

I'd put Zubac fairly high....but other than that, I agree.

People like to throw 'post all-star' stats around....but I think Zubac's really took off. The giant exception being that this wasn't his 2nd season or nothing.....that's just when the guy started to actually get some minutes.

I wanna see both Ingram and Zubac get a second year (I hope Zubac gets real minutes)......but I have a feeling they will be quite high in this topic after that.

If he starts hitting the 3 at a good rate and maintains his BLK%, sure he'd jump a few spots to enter the 7-14 range, otherwise slow footed big men who cannot switch on pick and rolls are not valued highly in the NBA. You'll even see in past drafts how dudes like Skal slid. There's not a big market for big men.

[dockingsched]

Both Ingram and Russell are solid #2's at worst for me. Don't see anyone outside of Fultz close to being on the same level.

[yanuary]

Ingram and Russell 2-3 (behind Fultz only).
Randle, Zubac around 12-18
Nance 18-24
Clarkson 25-30.

[ozymandias818]

Ingram 3
Russell 5
Randle 13
Nance Jr. 17-22
Clarkson 26-30
Zubac 18-25

I'd put Zubac fairly high....but other than that, I agree.

People like to throw 'post all-star' stats around....but I think Zubac's really took off. The giant exception being that this wasn't his 2nd season or nothing.....that's just when the guy started to actually get some minutes.

I wanna see both Ingram and Zubac get a second year (I hope Zubac gets real minutes)......but I have a feeling they will be quite high in this topic after that.

If he starts hitting the 3 at a good rate and maintains his BLK%, sure he'd jump a few spots to enter the 7-14 range, otherwise slow footed big men who cannot switch on pick and rolls are not valued highly in the NBA. You'll even see in past drafts how dudes like Skal slid. There's not a big market for big men.

Skal slid because he had a catastrophically bad year in college. Zubac doesn't need to start hitting 3s to be valued, lmao. He is what he is, he's never going to have elite footspeed but he's smart and gets his blocks at the rim regardless. Teams that use their centers properly defensively don't force them to hedge hard anyway, so it's not a necessity that he can crowd point guards on screens at the perimeter. Look at how Deandre is used. He's going to have difficulty staying on the floor against Golden State and...literally nobody else? when Dray is put at center, but otherwise he'll protect the rim, rebound, and get buckets out of the post. He's going to need to learn to actually pass the ball every once in a while when he's in the post, but I think the late teens is exactly where he'd go in a draft after what we saw last season, and that's only because this is a historically deep draft.

[ak7]

Ingram 3
Russell 5
Randle 13
Nance Jr. 17-22
Clarkson 26-30
Zubac 18-25

I'd put Zubac fairly high....but other than that, I agree.

People like to throw 'post all-star' stats around....but I think Zubac's really took off. The giant exception being that this wasn't his 2nd season or nothing.....that's just when the guy started to actually get some minutes.

I wanna see both Ingram and Zubac get a second year (I hope Zubac gets real minutes)......but I have a feeling they will be quite high in this topic after that.

If he starts hitting the 3 at a good rate and maintains his BLK%, sure he'd jump a few spots to enter the 7-14 range, otherwise slow footed big men who cannot switch on pick and rolls are not valued highly in the NBA. You'll even see in past drafts how dudes like Skal slid. There's not a big market for big men.

People are going to be so depressed here once we get some actual front court talent and Zubac ends up either cut, traded, or buried on the bench.

[ozymandias818]

I'd put Zubac fairly high....but other than that, I agree.

People like to throw 'post all-star' stats around....but I think Zubac's really took off. The giant exception being that this wasn't his 2nd season or nothing.....that's just when the guy started to actually get some minutes.

I wanna see both Ingram and Zubac get a second year (I hope Zubac gets real minutes)......but I have a feeling they will be quite high in this topic after that.

If he starts hitting the 3 at a good rate and maintains his BLK%, sure he'd jump a few spots to enter the 7-14 range, otherwise slow footed big men who cannot switch on pick and rolls are not valued highly in the NBA. You'll even see in past drafts how dudes like Skal slid. There's not a big market for big men.

People are going to be so depressed here once we get some actual front court talent and Zubac ends up either cut, traded, or buried on the bench.

There's really 0 instance in which this is happening. We bring in guys? Everyone linked to us is a forward. The draft? Ball, Jackson, whoever, literally none of them can play center. Our late 1st isn't going to be a rookie center taking minutes from Zubac. And that's assuming we actually bring in veteran talent, which Magic seems to be against doing, not that we can afford to anyway.

Dude averaged 17 and 9 with a couple blocks per 36 as a marginalized rookie. He's not going anywhere, and I'm not sure why you'd want him to.

[ak7]

If he starts hitting the 3 at a good rate and maintains his BLK%, sure he'd jump a few spots to enter the 7-14 range, otherwise slow footed big men who cannot switch on pick and rolls are not valued highly in the NBA. You'll even see in past drafts how dudes like Skal slid. There's not a big market for big men.

People are going to be so depressed here once we get some actual front court talent and Zubac ends up either cut, traded, or buried on the bench.

There's really 0 instance in which this is happening. We bring in guys? Everyone linked to us is a forward. The draft? Ball, Jackson, whoever, literally none of them can play center. Our late 1st isn't going to be a rookie center taking minutes from Zubac. And that's assuming we actually bring in veteran talent, which Magic seems to be against doing, not that we can afford to anyway.

Dude averaged 17 and 9 with a couple blocks per 36 as a marginalized rookie. He's not going anywhere, and I'm not sure why you'd want him to.

You lost me at PER 36 and the failure to mention his atrocious PnR defense to compliment his even worse rim protection.

[ozymandias818]

You lost me at PER 36

Sounds like a personal problem?

and the failure to mention his atrocious PnR defense to compliment his even worse rim protection.

Sounds like a personal problem? Like you not reading? He doesn't need to hedge pick and rolls. Do you not watch basketball? He can show and drop back easily and focus on making plays at the rim, plenty of teams do that on pick and rolls involving the center.

I don't know why you're arguing with facts. He gets 2 blocks per 36.

http://stats.nba.com/players/defense-dash-lt6/#!?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=PLUSMINUS&dir=-1&CF=PLAYER_POSITION*E*C

He's also in the top half of centers in terms of raw rim protection numbers, so you're wrong.

[Kilroy]

Ingram 3
Russell 5
Randle 13
Nance Jr. 17-22
Clarkson 26-30
Zubac 18-25

This is about where I am too... I'd probably have Randle a little higher and Nance and Zubac a little lower, but pretty much what I'm thinking.

[TylersLakers]

Ingram 3
Russell 5
Randle 13
Nance Jr. 17-22
Clarkson 26-30
Zubac 18-25

Agreed.

1- Fultz
2- Ball
3- Ingram
4- Jackson
5- Russell

[ak7]

You lost me at PER 36

Sounds like a personal problem?

and the failure to mention his atrocious PnR defense to compliment his even worse rim protection.

Sounds like a personal problem? Like you not reading? He doesn't need to hedge pick and rolls. Do you not watch basketball? He can show and drop back easily and focus on making plays at the rim, plenty of teams do that on pick and rolls involving the center.

I don't know why you're arguing with facts. He gets 2 blocks per 36.

http://stats.nba.com/players/defense-dash-lt6/#!?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=PLUSMINUS&dir=-1&CF=PLAYER_POSITION*E*C

He's also in the top half of centers in terms of raw rim protection numbers, so you're wrong.

I'm not going to discuss PER 36 with you because its obviously hopeless and you are unwilling to change your mind, but I shall let you know that there was a point in time a few years ago when Mareese Speights averaged 18.6 PTS, 10.6 REB, 1.2 BLK PER 36. Do you think Speights is a 19/10/1 player?

DeAndre Liggins averaged something like 72 points and 36 rebounds PER 36 a few years ago as well. What a stat. It definitely shows greatness and future productivity.

Out of all the great stats out there you picked a useless one in PER 36, and tell me that I don't watch basketball. The nerve.

“I want to keep improving in my pick-and-roll defense,” Zubac said. “I think that’s the area where I can improve the most and help on defense to everybody and positioning defense, post defense. Mostly defense. I think if I improve on defensive end, I can help my team a lot more.”

http://www.latimes.com/sports/nba/la-sp-lakers-report-20170212-story.html

Don't take it from me, take it from the player himself. If you don't think our Center doesn't need to hedge some PnR's with Randle playing the 4 then bless your heart. He knows what his weaknesses are, clearly you don't watch basketball

[RamonSessions7]

Ingram 2
Russell 5
Randle 16
Nance 18-20
Zubac 20-23
Clarkson 25-28

[BEazy]

Wait Zubac is going to get buried on the bench or cut? What???

Zubac is better than most big men in the league right now. He's definitely not going to get cut or buried on the bench. If he does somehow get cut, you better believe some other team will scoop him up in a heartbeat.

IMO he'll be a starter for us. Dude has too much potential.

[freebird]

Ingram 3
Russell 5
Randle 13
Nance Jr. 17-22
Clarkson 26-30
Zubac 18-25

I disagree with the entire aforementioned post - is there a "Minus 1" button?

Warned for trolling

-Slava