Ingrams development and future

myersia · Post #1 » by **myersia** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:23 pm

With Ingram growing a little and his long reach it makes me wonder if maybe his future could be as a stretch four in this league. Obviously we are in an era of "position-less basketball". I wonder with a few pounds of muscle added over the years if he could have a Kevin Garnett like impact offensively. If I remember right Kevin came in as sf. I know Kevin was taller but similar body builds when Kevin first came into the league. I'll take a poor mans kg. What are your thoughts? Where do you see Ingram developing into as far his position on the court as well as his role on the team?

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iamworthy · Post #2 » by **iamworthy** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:26 pm

I need to see Ingram play this year before making any future predictions.

Kupchak9 · Post #3 » by **Kupchak9** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:14 am

A lot of what made KG great was his personality and overall approach to the game. He played with a giant chip on his shoulder which enabled him to be a monster on the court and in opponents minds. Draymond is essentially KG-lite. He's a DPOY that can do everything but be a great scorer.

I don't see that in Ingram. He's first and foremost a scorer and I highly doubt he will ever be a great defender. As far as playmaking goes, sure he's got some handles and court vision, for a wing, but it's really nothing special. He's that "smooth, chill" guy that will lead our team in scoring. I project a Joe Johnson type career/development, which is a fair ceiling when you consider the comparison is a 7x All-star and perennial top 20 player in his prime.

hoosierdaddy34 · Post #4 » by **hoosierdaddy34** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:20 am

I see him more as a bigger PG if he reaches his full potential. I do think with his size and long arms, he has a chance to be a great defensive player especially once he fills out. He obviously has good handles, he ran point quite a bit last year. If his shot comes around and when his body fills out to have the strength to go with his awesome length? I think that is the ceiling.

TylersLakers · Post #5 » by **TylersLakers** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:21 am

... I'm scared to say this.

I think he'll be a better defender, less aggressive, and skinnier version of Carmelo Anthony.

Mirjalovic · Post #6 » by **Mirjalovic** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:05 am

He will be Tmac in this league. he has natural instinct to score and the game will be easy for him

Penberthy · Post #7 » by **Penberthy** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 6:11 am

I kind of see him as a longer, better scoring, Livingston.

TJM217 · Post #8 » by **TJM217** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:07 pm

TylersLakers wrote:... I'm scared to say this.

I think he'll be a better defender, less aggressive, and skinnier version of Carmelo Anthony.

Based in what I saw last season I agree with this. Right now he's a guy you give the ball in the corner key he spends 5 seconds making and he gets you a dunk/lay up or long 2 pointer

hoosierdaddy34 · Post #9 » by **hoosierdaddy34** » Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:15 pm

TJM217 wrote:
TylersLakers wrote:... I'm scared to say this.

I think he'll be a better defender, less aggressive, and skinnier version of Carmelo Anthony.

Based in what I saw last season I agree with this. Right now he's a guy you give the ball in the corner key he spends 5 seconds making and he gets you a dunk/lay up or long 2 pointer

Carmelo shoots 28% of his shots as “long twos”. Ingram only shoots 16% of his shots as long twos, about the same as Kevin Durant. And 70% of his shots are a 3 or inside 10 feet. Melo is under 50% on taking “good” shots. I don’t see him as a guy who takes a ton of bad shots like Carmelo.

Dr Aki · Post #10 » by **Dr Aki** » Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:32 am

iguodala level offense/playmaking in a 6'11" tayshaun prince body

stan francisco · Post #11 » by **stan francisco** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:33 pm

Development and future? I think his biggest asset is his very high IQ and his unassuming demeanor. This guy is wise beyond his years. He's also a quick study. It took him half a season to adjust to the NBA game. He looked good against NBA competition toward end of season.

With a good head on his shoulders, blue collar mindset, super talent and a freakish body, I'm certain he'll develop into a better player every year in his NBA future. Why wouldn't he? There's nothing about him saying he'll ever plateau or get comfortable.

Once he gets 5 blocks in a game this season, the Spider-Man and Black Mantis sigs will be popping up around here. He's gonna be a main stay and loved by Los Angeles. The entire film industry is made up of people who work their butts off away from the spotlight. We live to see someone like that succeed because it fuels our own pursuits with hope. That's what the showtime craze was about, hardnosed defense and the fast break. His hardworking style and humble personality will be worshipped around here because that's what's really under the shiny and shallow surface of LA.

dAdo dA dEvil · Post #12 » by **dAdo dA dEvil** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:43 pm

If he's really growing then I don't mind having a 7 foot small forward on my team. I won't force him to be a 4 or a 5 as we kinda have a log jam there. If he can move like a 3 and shoot like a 3 then I don't mind him playing the 3. Let the kid play and let's see what he got this year.

danfantastk32 · Post #13 » by **danfantastk32** » Sun Sep 24, 2017 4:34 am

There are some problems with him becoming a PF. So Garnett was 240lb his last year, and I just looked at his draft stats, and he was 217. And that's fresh outa highschool. He was damn spindly himself...but he's got 27 pounds on Ingram. Also....I don't see the fire that draymond or KG have/had. Like not even close. And that doesn't mean BI doesn't show up to stick a dagger in the opponent, I'm not saying that at all....but BI doesn't come ready to 'battle'.

Secondly, Ingram has to start hitting 3's. You can lie to yourself if you want.....but .294 is crap 3-point shooting in todays game.

We can talk in a couple years, but right now...I think you'd be doing that "square peg / round hole" thing making him PF. It was pretty clear that the guy struggled against SF's and the physicality of the NBA. Granted....he started looking better towards the end....but let's give the guy a couple years, eh?

karkinos · Post #14 » by **karkinos** » Sun Sep 24, 2017 2:55 pm

he's not going to match any of the elites mentioned imo
he doesn't currently have an identifiable master skill. currently jack of all trades kind of guy. tbh i'm hoping he becomes more like a gordon hayward 2.0. i know, not a sexy comparison and a lot of people may not like that forecast given the hopes for a KD like player, but ingram has the athletic tools to be a better version of what i believe is a really complete player.

Vae Victus · Post #15 » by **Vae Victus** » Sun Sep 24, 2017 11:51 pm

This kid is so young, you cant just write him off on being a superstar so early. His body was still gangly kid, but let him add another 20 pounds of muscle over another year or two and if he can keep polishing his skills, he can be something special.

He doesnt have any real bad habits and he's a willing passing (IE not a ballhog), however his development CAN be botched if he's not developed right. Getting someone like LBJ/PG13 will likely stop his development into a star but he'll become an elite Robert Horry like elite super duper role player most likely.

Just gotta take it slow with this kid, his development for his age level is already above average, no point in throwing him to the wolves and ordering him to superstar or else. We already screwed up DLo that way already...

danfantastk32 · Post #16 » by **danfantastk32** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 3:17 am

karkinos wrote:he's not going to match any of the elites mentioned imo
he doesn't currently have an identifiable master skill. currently jack of all trades kind of guy. tbh i'm hoping he becomes more like a gordon hayward 2.0. i know, not a sexy comparison and a lot of people may not like that forecast given the hopes for a KD like player, but ingram has the athletic tools to be a better version of what i believe is a really complete player.

I hear what your saying. I don't know that your wrong at all. Hayward ain't what people want to hear...but the guy's a decent NBA player, and that may be what Ingram becomes. Not everyone turns into a generational player like Kobe.....and folks are gonna have to live with that. One thing I like about Ingram is that he's actually fairly aggressive with contact. He draws fouls.

It's a weird analogy....but Hayward seems so "by the book" offensively. I think Ingram has a little more improv in him. I agree that he and Hayward might have quite similar games....but I could see Ingram being a bit more potent offensively. Not drastically....but just enough. If a slightly better version of Hayward is what we end up with.....I can live with that.

hoosierdaddy34 · Post #17 » by **hoosierdaddy34** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:42 am

danfantastk32 wrote:There are some problems with him becoming a PF. So Garnett was 240lb his last year, and I just looked at his draft stats, and he was 217. And that's fresh outa highschool. He was damn spindly himself...but he's got 27 pounds on Ingram. Also....I don't see the fire that draymond or KG have/had. Like not even close. And that doesn't mean BI doesn't show up to stick a dagger in the opponent, I'm not saying that at all....but BI doesn't come ready to 'battle'.

Secondly, Ingram has to start hitting 3's. You can lie to yourself if you want.....but .294 is crap 3-point shooting in todays game.

We can talk in a couple years, but right now...I think you'd be doing that "square peg / round hole" thing making him PF. It was pretty clear that the guy struggled against SF's and the physicality of the NBA. Granted....he started looking better towards the end....but let's give the guy a couple years, eh?

More teams are playing a large 3 over a traditional PF at the 4 anyways. He needs to put on muscle regardless of position but I don’t see that being a hindrance of him playing at 4 long term. But even a guy like Draymond only hit 31% from 3 last year. I’d rather have him at the 4 than the 3 if he can’t get that number into the high 30s.

hoosierdaddy34 · Post #18 » by **hoosierdaddy34** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:45 am

karkinos wrote:he's not going to match any of the elites mentioned imo
he doesn't currently have an identifiable master skill. currently jack of all trades kind of guy. tbh i'm hoping he becomes more like a gordon hayward 2.0. i know, not a sexy comparison and a lot of people may not like that forecast given the hopes for a KD like player, but ingram has the athletic tools to be a better version of what i believe is a really complete player.

Ingram has a 7’3 wing span and good enough handles to play point. If Heyward had that combo he’d be unstoppable. But Brandon has a unique size and skill combo to make him a matchup problem for just about anyone. He just needs to keep working on his strength and his shot to determine how far he goes, but top 5 to 10 player in the game is on the table still with him.

MelosSoreWrist · Post #19 » by **MelosSoreWrist** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:07 pm

Dr Aki wrote:iguodala level offense/playmaking in a 6'11" tayshaun prince body

Iguodala was basically a supped up version of Prince. I'd take anything inbetween and be really happy. Elite defense who can match up with the opponents best 2-4 while just being offensively viable is still invaluable in a playoff series.

MelosSoreWrist · Post #20 » by **MelosSoreWrist** » Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:10 pm

danfantastk32 wrote:There are some problems with him becoming a PF. So Garnett was 240lb his last year, and I just looked at his draft stats, and he was 217. And that's fresh outa highschool. He was damn spindly himself...but he's got 27 pounds on Ingram. Also....I don't see the fire that draymond or KG have/had. Like not even close. And that doesn't mean BI doesn't show up to stick a dagger in the opponent, I'm not saying that at all....but BI doesn't come ready to 'battle'.

Secondly, Ingram has to start hitting 3's. You can lie to yourself if you want.....but .294 is crap 3-point shooting in todays game.

We can talk in a couple years, but right now...I think you'd be doing that "square peg / round hole" thing making him PF. It was pretty clear that the guy struggled against SF's and the physicality of the NBA. Granted....he started looking better towards the end....but let's give the guy a couple years, eh?

KG and DG are indeed loud and showy. But I dont think they were any more competitive in nature or "ready to battle" than Tayshaun Prince who was reserved and quiet in nature.