NotaHypeJob wrote:Ingram is kinda reminding me of Rudy gay
Ingram has already shown more defense than Gay ever has.
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NotaHypeJob wrote:Ingram is kinda reminding me of Rudy gay
NotaHypeJob wrote:Ingram is kinda reminding me of Rudy gay
Slava wrote:NotaHypeJob wrote:Ingram is kinda reminding me of Rudy gay
When he plays poorly he's a bust then he plays well he gets these underhanded compliments. If you have nothing useful to post, don't post.
Landsberger wrote:Slava wrote:NotaHypeJob wrote:Ingram is kinda reminding me of Rudy gay
When he plays poorly he's a bust then he plays well he gets these underhanded compliments. If you have nothing useful to post, don't post.
No offense here but what's wrong with being compared to Rudy Gay after 100 games? While not a franchise center piece he's still has been a very good player in the league. Gay was a 19-6 guy for a decade or more in the league. He shot well from mid-range to 3 and finished at the rim very well pre-injury. Actually it's a decent comparison offensively. At 21 Gay was a 20ppg player with 6 boards.
The way it seems here if someone doesn't compare him to Durant or some other superstar they are not really Laker fans.... There is a between level that he will most likely settle into as a pro.
Slava wrote:Landsberger wrote:Slava wrote:
When he plays poorly he's a bust then he plays well he gets these underhanded compliments. If you have nothing useful to post, don't post.
No offense here but what's wrong with being compared to Rudy Gay after 100 games? While not a franchise center piece he's still has been a very good player in the league. Gay was a 19-6 guy for a decade or more in the league. He shot well from mid-range to 3 and finished at the rim very well pre-injury. Actually it's a decent comparison offensively. At 21 Gay was a 20ppg player with 6 boards.
The way it seems here if someone doesn't compare him to Durant or some other superstar they are not really Laker fans.... There is a between level that he will most likely settle into as a pro.
Because their games are nothing alike. It's not really a mystery and Rudy Gay on realgm is a running joke for a guy who scores inefficiently and doesn't play defense which is what that guy is trying to troll with.
Slava wrote:Landsberger wrote:Slava wrote:
When he plays poorly he's a bust then he plays well he gets these underhanded compliments. If you have nothing useful to post, don't post.
No offense here but what's wrong with being compared to Rudy Gay after 100 games? While not a franchise center piece he's still has been a very good player in the league. Gay was a 19-6 guy for a decade or more in the league. He shot well from mid-range to 3 and finished at the rim very well pre-injury. Actually it's a decent comparison offensively. At 21 Gay was a 20ppg player with 6 boards.
The way it seems here if someone doesn't compare him to Durant or some other superstar they are not really Laker fans.... There is a between level that he will most likely settle into as a pro.
Because their games are nothing alike. It's not really a mystery and Rudy Gay on realgm is a running joke for a guy who scores inefficiently and doesn't play defense which is what that guy is trying to troll with.
Duke4life831 wrote:Slava wrote:Landsberger wrote:
No offense here but what's wrong with being compared to Rudy Gay after 100 games? While not a franchise center piece he's still has been a very good player in the league. Gay was a 19-6 guy for a decade or more in the league. He shot well from mid-range to 3 and finished at the rim very well pre-injury. Actually it's a decent comparison offensively. At 21 Gay was a 20ppg player with 6 boards.
The way it seems here if someone doesn't compare him to Durant or some other superstar they are not really Laker fans.... There is a between level that he will most likely settle into as a pro.
Because their games are nothing alike. It's not really a mystery and Rudy Gay on realgm is a running joke for a guy who scores inefficiently and doesn't play defense which is what that guy is trying to troll with.
Even if it wasnt meant to be a shot at him, I just dont see the comparison at all when it comes to their play style. Ingram over the last month has basically averaged 18/6.5/4 on 46/37/70 shooting. The scoring, rebounds and shooting numbers are similar to Rudy but that is about it. Ingram is showing more ability to be a facilitator than Rudy ever has, defensively Rudy has always wasted his size and athleticism on that end and has always been a bad defender. Ingram is already playing better and more versatile defense than Rudy ever did.
Those 2 areas (facilitating and defense) have always kind of been the biggest negatives against Rudy. He never did those two things and thats why he has basically always been labeled and empty stat guy that doesnt help teams win. While Ingram's defense and facilitating has been a big part of his game over the last month.
Plus offensively, while their numbers look similar the way they got their shots were very different. There are multiple seasons where close to a 1/4 of Rudy's shots came from the 16ft<3 area which is the worst shot to take. Rudy's career high for % of his shots at the rim is 31% (that was the only time where at least 30% of his shots came at the rim), Ingram this year is taking 42% of his shots at the rim. This has led to Ingram's FTr being at .39, compare that to Rudy who's career average FTr is .28. This also leads to Ingram having a better chance to become a really efficient scorer.
I just didnt get the comparison because they are very different players.
Landsberger wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:Slava wrote:
Because their games are nothing alike. It's not really a mystery and Rudy Gay on realgm is a running joke for a guy who scores inefficiently and doesn't play defense which is what that guy is trying to troll with.
Even if it wasnt meant to be a shot at him, I just dont see the comparison at all when it comes to their play style. Ingram over the last month has basically averaged 18/6.5/4 on 46/37/70 shooting. The scoring, rebounds and shooting numbers are similar to Rudy but that is about it. Ingram is showing more ability to be a facilitator than Rudy ever has, defensively Rudy has always wasted his size and athleticism on that end and has always been a bad defender. Ingram is already playing better and more versatile defense than Rudy ever did.
Those 2 areas (facilitating and defense) have always kind of been the biggest negatives against Rudy. He never did those two things and thats why he has basically always been labeled and empty stat guy that doesnt help teams win. While Ingram's defense and facilitating has been a big part of his game over the last month.
Plus offensively, while their numbers look similar the way they got their shots were very different. There are multiple seasons where close to a 1/4 of Rudy's shots came from the 16ft<3 area which is the worst shot to take. Rudy's career high for % of his shots at the rim is 31% (that was the only time where at least 30% of his shots came at the rim), Ingram this year is taking 42% of his shots at the rim. This has led to Ingram's FTr being at .39, compare that to Rudy who's career average FTr is .28. This also leads to Ingram having a better chance to become a really efficient scorer.
I just didnt get the comparison because they are very different players.
Different players.... yes. Different situations and different coaching and different expectations..... yes again. The shot numbers are good but without context of their team's offensive systems it's not complete. Gay had back to the basket bigs (Pau and Marc Gasol, and later Zack Randolph) and a very traditional slower paced deliberate offensive system. You don't get as many opportunities at the hoop when you are playing through a post player who is your centerpiece. Our system is conducive to both setting Ingram up with opportunities to slash and isolate. Gay was spreading the floor for the bigs in Memphis a lot of the time. To me, this is where the vacuum of stats and advanced stats have their gaps. Those stats do show that Gay didn't really improve within that system in shooting much if at all however. Ingram is improving through 100 games or so.
I don't disagree that Rudy and Ingram are not exactly alike.... then again no two players are.
karkinos wrote:he really hit his stride with shooting in the cavs game
mechanics look great
like magic said, the potential is there. just need time and experience. let him keep shooting
danfantastk32 wrote:Ingram is playing well, and it's great to see. He was brutal last year, and despite better scoring this season...his 13(ish) PER shows he's still far from elite.
But the growth continues....and that's really all that matters. I have faith in Ingram, but he has a long runway. It will be a year or two....then watch out.
TylersLakers wrote:I did this last year, so I'll update it this year:
Young Core's Stats Month of December:
Brandon Ingram: 18.0 PPG, 6.5 RPG, 3.8 APG, 0.8 SPG, 42% FG, 39% 3PT, 71% FT, 37 MPG
Lonzo Ball: 9.3 PPG, 7.0 APG, 6.5 RPG, 1.3 BPG, 1.5 SPG, 41% FG, 30% 3PT, 57% FT, 33 MPG
Kyle Kuzma: 14.8 PPG, 8.5 RPG, 1.2 APG, 1 SPG, 45% FG, 32% 3PT, 80% FT, 28 MPG
Julius Randle: 12.3 PPG, 4.7 RPG, 2.5 APG, 1 BPG, 56% FG, 17% 3PT, 60% FT, 24 MPG
Jordan Clarkson: 13.0 PPG, 3.0 RPG, 3.0 APG, 43% FG, 32% 3PT, 91% FT, 23 MPG
Would like to see Randle and Clarkson's minutes come up. KCP and Lopez go down.
TyCobb wrote:No offense to the work Ingram has put in, but %'s go up from the Zo effect. It's no secret we lead the league in points in paint--all due to the style we can play off him.