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Player, grade, notes, keeper or gonner.
Lonzo
Ingram B
KCP
Randle
Kuzma
Lopez
Hart
Bryant
GP II
Wear
Caruso
IT
Zubac
Ingram A
Ennis
Deng
Lonzo
Ingram B
KCP
Randle
Kuzma
Lopez
Hart
Bryant
GP II
Wear
Caruso
IT
Zubac
Ingram A
Ennis
Deng
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lolpez/KCP/Ennis/Deng all gonners
everbody else keepers
enough said

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snaquille oatmeal wrote:Player, grade, notes, keeper or gonner.
Lonzo c- GONER ( just take his stupid dad away form here ASAP)
Ingram B b KEEPER
KCP C+ GONER ( unless he accepts a mÃnimum contract , to balance out the bloated contract he had this season)
Randle b- GONER ( i hope, cause it means we got two max F.A, also not a fan of reuping him , typiucal contract year ****)
Kuzma b+ KEEPER
Lopez c- Goner (unless he takes a mÃnimum contract)
Hart C Whatever
Bryant C Wathever
GP II c Whatever
Wear c Whatever
Caruso C Whatever
IT D GOner please
Zubac D- GONER ( hope we can fool someone)
Ennis C+ Whatever
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Lmao.
Hellcrooner: GONER
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TyCobb wrote:Lmao.
Hellcrooner: GONER
Yeah....tough crowd there. I think our roster was like 3-deep after he went through it.
Lonzo: C <-----little disappointed. Thought there was gonna be more. Far from giving up on him, but I'm still hungry.
Ingram: B <------nice growth. Keep it up.
Randle: A <------came in with the same game, and I was done with him. Hard work won me back. Was it all 'contract year'?
Kuzma: A <-----Not that his game is an A (although it's close) but just with what I expected. What a steal.
Hart: B <-----Solid bench guy. Happy with him. More minutes next year. Work to do...but promising.
Zubac: NA <-----fell off the earth until the very end. Bad year for him. Show resolve, and work hard offseason.
Lopez: B- <-----I liked his game. Couple more boards would be nice. Dip at the 3...but I thought he was good fit.
KCP: B- <----at start of the season, I thought he was trash. Shot came back, he plays D. Prob won't be back so whatever.
Luke: A <----someone finally got this team to play defense. Holy-sh***. Like your players, you have room to grow.
Little disappointed in the nose dive we took at the end. I know injuries played a roll...but damn that was a crap finish. Otherwise, I was pretty happy. We played HARD all year. Very few 'beat-downs' this season. Defense was nice to see. Some legit growth from our young guys, and our rookies were great, for the most part. I hope we resign Randle.....and Lopez. Go sign PG, and let's take it from there. I think that will be a great squad. If Lebron wants to come, thats great....but not at the expense of our youth/core.
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I just wanna say maginka get an A+. I have to eat crow after being bitter post dlo trade but they made the right move and I feel like they’re now a top 5 management in the nba after all the moves they’ve made. Dumping clarkson and getting a first for it was amazing as well. Finding gems like hart and kuzma in the back of the first round was great (although much of that credit goes to Ryan west). Regardless, I was completely wrong about them and now I’m a huge fan.
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Prince + filler for Kobe Bryant
To be honest the way Prince has played and with Kobes injury/age/mileage Im not sure I would do that deal either. Still Prince is more important and he wins the head to head battles with Kobe.
Prince + filler for Kobe Bryant
To be honest the way Prince has played and with Kobes injury/age/mileage Im not sure I would do that deal either. Still Prince is more important and he wins the head to head battles with Kobe.
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Lonzo - D (Legit his shooting pissed me off beyond words and he'd insist on chucking it so much he cost us a good 4-5 games cause of it, lets be honest, played well below expectations, i didn't expect a #1 option offensively, i expected an efficient scorer though).
B. Ingram - A (very impressive season i thought, couldn't really ask for a better sophomore season, we looked like a playoff team with him on the floor)
KCP - B+ (solid role player, did his job, I'd love to keep him here on the MLE)
Randle - B+ (He made the jump which was important, can be frustrating but if we bring him back on 10-12 mill per year, its a good deal)
Kuzma - A- (absolutely great rookie season, proved me wrong in every way)
Lopez - C (Good scoring and vet presence, rubbish rebounder, i wouldn't be in a hurry to see him back unless its on the cheap)
Hart - B (slow start but towards the end he really was fantastic)
Bryant - C+ (hard to really judge him)
GP II - N/A
Wear - NA
Caruso - C
IT - D+ (he was rubbish
Zubac
A. Ingram - N/A
Ennis - E - He was rubbish lets be honest
Deng - Lol Deng
B. Ingram - A (very impressive season i thought, couldn't really ask for a better sophomore season, we looked like a playoff team with him on the floor)
KCP - B+ (solid role player, did his job, I'd love to keep him here on the MLE)
Randle - B+ (He made the jump which was important, can be frustrating but if we bring him back on 10-12 mill per year, its a good deal)
Kuzma - A- (absolutely great rookie season, proved me wrong in every way)
Lopez - C (Good scoring and vet presence, rubbish rebounder, i wouldn't be in a hurry to see him back unless its on the cheap)
Hart - B (slow start but towards the end he really was fantastic)
Bryant - C+ (hard to really judge him)
GP II - N/A
Wear - NA
Caruso - C
IT - D+ (he was rubbish
Zubac
A. Ingram - N/A
Ennis - E - He was rubbish lets be honest
Deng - Lol Deng
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Big fan of Josh Hart. I'mma give him an A since he makes KCP expendable, saving us some salary.
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snaquille oatmeal wrote:Player, grade, notes, keeper or gonner.
Lonzo
Ingram B
KCP
Randle
Kuzma
Lopez
Hart
Bryant
GP II
Wear
Caruso
IT
Zubac
Ingram A
Ennis
Deng
Lonzo
Showed really good things and really bad things. Dude has a lot to work on but hes a winning player.
Grade: C+
Keeper
Ingram B
Huge improvement this season, but still has a long way to go. Can't wait to see what he looks like next season. Sky is the limit.
Grade: B+
Keeper
KCP
Not gonna lie, he played great this season. Probably his best NBA season. Shot the 3 ball well and played good team defense. That being said, if we don't replace him with PG13 next season, i'm going to be disappointed.
Grade: B
Goner
Randle
Huge step from Randle this season. Rough start because he wasn't getting minutes, but he really turned it around. He still has a lot of room to grow, can't imagine letting him walk for nothing.
Grade: A-
Keeper
Kuzma
What a steal he was. Can't believe we got a player of his caliber at 27. Started out the season blazin but then hit the rookie wall. After the all star break, he got a lil better. Needs to really work on his defense, i'm sure he knows this.
Grade: B+
Keeper
Lopez
Eh. Don't have too much to say about Lopez. He was alright, I was expecting more tbh. Heard someone say he's fools gold, I think that's accurate. I dont think he's here next season, I can see some team is gonna offer him a multi year deal that we wont.
Grade: C+
Goner
Hart
Another steal at 30. Laker scouting department really killed this draft. He had a tough stretch shooting the 3 at the start of the season but turned it around. Sucks he got hurt, but he finished the season strong.
Grade: B+
Keeper
Bryant
Didn't play much, but from what I saw, he wasn't impressive. But not ready to give up on him
Grade: D
Keeper
GPII
Glad to see he played good the final game. But doesn't seem like an NBA player to me
Grade: D
Goner
Caruso
For a G league player, he was alright. Better than Ennis I think, but barely
Grade: C-
Goner
IT
You can tell he wasn't 100% healthy. Who knows if he'll ever go back to Celtic form. Problem is he thinks he's a starter, but he has to prove that. Don't see him being a starter here and don't think he'll be okay with that so he's gone.
Grade: C
Goner
Zubac
Huge disappointment. I miss the old Zu. He has no value so i'd keep him and hope he turns it around
Grade: D
Keeper
Wear
Eh.
Grade: C-
Goner
Ingram A
Feel good story. I think he's retiring. Wish him the best
Grade: B
Goner
Ennis
He sucks, but occasionally he shows he's an NBA player. Probably the only reason he's in the league
Grade: D+
Goner
Deng
Anytime I see Deng's contract I get really mad. Dunno how we can get out of it. Stretching would be a tough pill to swallow but we might have no choice
Grade: F-
Hope he's a goner but most likely staying.
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Lopez
Eh. Don't have too much to say about Lopez. He was alright, I was expecting more tbh. Heard someone say he's fools gold, I think that's accurate. I dont think he's here next season, I can see some team is gonna offer him a multi year deal that we wont.
Grade: C+
Goner
Interesting take. I am one of the guys who's pretty big on Lopez.....but I agree whole-heartedly with the 'fools gold' analogy. He had some games there where you were like "ok.....there we go! This is what we wanted!" ......but on the whole, he kinda leaves you wanting more. It's easy to fall in love with what he "could be". Especially since he does give you a few of those games.
Not sure we have a better option at Center. He does spread the floor. As I have posted before...we were one of the best rebounding teams, and Luke has Lopez playing out on the perimeter alot. He also seems to have orders to turn and start running once the other teams shoots it up. Our other players seem to be dealing with the rebounds just fine...so I don't have a particular issue with it.
I am curious what becomes of him. He had the chance to be waived...go earn more $$ and be on playoff team, and he declined because he WANTS to play here. Bonus attitude in my book...and he just might take a bit of a cut. Especially if we do bring in a big-dog this offseason.
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Player, grade, notes, keeper or gonner.
Lonzo - D He's been VERY disappointing for a #2 pick, didnt realize how utterly horrendous his half court offense would be
Ingram B - A Took one helluva step forward, didnt expect it to happen so fast, clearly a future cornerstone
KCP - C played fairly well, but clearly not worth big money that he was hoping for, gl on your next deal
Randle - B Great to see that he improved his offense, but his lackluster at times D and pure lack of range show he's not a cornerstone
Kuzma - A What more can you ask from a late 1st, vastly exceeded all expectations, 3 more cheap years!
Lopez - F His piss poor play early on basically killed whatever chance we had at playoffs, for a max contract vet thats unexcusable
Hart - B Has done well in the spot time he's been given so far, with some growth will become an excellent roleplayer
Bryant - D With BroLo **** the bed early, he had his chances to try to jump into the big club, but didnt seize it, next year or bust
GP II - who?
Wear - D Yea i've seen enough, no point bringing him back except with a 1+1 min deal with 2nd year team option
Caruso - F Please get rid of this scrub, everytime i see him on the court all he does is scrub it up, but at least he had a chance to play
IT - D (would be B if he never suited up) Knew we werent gonna get crap out of him on the court, but cap space baby
Zubac - F WTF dude, you did so well last year and then you take a massive dump, next year or bust
Ennis - F Never have i seen a player get to the rim so smoothly and constantly miss layups
Deng - F--- Best seats in the house, utterly shocked he couldnt play at all when we were down to like 8 warm bodies at one point, **** this guy, i can respect a scrub who at least plays hard when given the chance, but someone who doesnt even wanna try cuz he's already paid, the worst type of sports scum
Bring on Free Agency, boom or bust time
Lonzo - D He's been VERY disappointing for a #2 pick, didnt realize how utterly horrendous his half court offense would be
Ingram B - A Took one helluva step forward, didnt expect it to happen so fast, clearly a future cornerstone
KCP - C played fairly well, but clearly not worth big money that he was hoping for, gl on your next deal
Randle - B Great to see that he improved his offense, but his lackluster at times D and pure lack of range show he's not a cornerstone
Kuzma - A What more can you ask from a late 1st, vastly exceeded all expectations, 3 more cheap years!
Lopez - F His piss poor play early on basically killed whatever chance we had at playoffs, for a max contract vet thats unexcusable
Hart - B Has done well in the spot time he's been given so far, with some growth will become an excellent roleplayer
Bryant - D With BroLo **** the bed early, he had his chances to try to jump into the big club, but didnt seize it, next year or bust
GP II - who?
Wear - D Yea i've seen enough, no point bringing him back except with a 1+1 min deal with 2nd year team option
Caruso - F Please get rid of this scrub, everytime i see him on the court all he does is scrub it up, but at least he had a chance to play
IT - D (would be B if he never suited up) Knew we werent gonna get crap out of him on the court, but cap space baby
Zubac - F WTF dude, you did so well last year and then you take a massive dump, next year or bust
Ennis - F Never have i seen a player get to the rim so smoothly and constantly miss layups
Deng - F--- Best seats in the house, utterly shocked he couldnt play at all when we were down to like 8 warm bodies at one point, **** this guy, i can respect a scrub who at least plays hard when given the chance, but someone who doesnt even wanna try cuz he's already paid, the worst type of sports scum
Bring on Free Agency, boom or bust time
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Hellcrooner wrote:snaquille oatmeal wrote:Player, grade, notes, keeper or gonner.
Lonzo c- GONER ( just take his stupid dad away form here ASAP)
Ingram B b KEEPER
KCP C+ GONER ( unless he accepts a mÃnimum contract , to balance out the bloated contract he had this season)
Randle b- GONER ( i hope, cause it means we got two max F.A, also not a fan of reuping him , typiucal contract year ****)
Kuzma b+ KEEPER
Lopez c- Goner (unless he takes a mÃnimum contract)
Hart C Whatever
Bryant C Wathever
GP II c Whatever
Wear c Whatever
Caruso C Whatever
IT D GOner please
Zubac D- GONER ( hope we can fool someone)
Ennis C+ Whatever
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snaquille oatmeal wrote:Player, grade, notes, keeper or gonner.
Lonzo
Ingram B
KCP
Randle
Kuzma
Lopez
Hart
Bryant
GP II
Wear
Caruso
IT
Zubac
Ingram A
Ennis
Deng
Lonzo - C - he actually played decent around 50% of the times he actually played. He has a lot of work to do. Would love to see him limir his off-court gimmicks. I'm also concerned he's extremely fragile.
Ingram B - B - Thought he had a solid season, nothing special. I like his trajectory based on the growth I've seen. I would love to see him take more jumpshots. Given his extremely thin frame, he'll have durability issues if he continues to be a one trick pony and drive 90% of the time.
KCP - B- It was like a roller coaster with this guy, up and down all season. However, he was our iron-man so I tip my hat to him.
Randle - B+ He took his game to another level this year. However, I don't underestimate contract year players...don't really care about age. At the right price, bring him back. Otherwise, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Kuzma - B+ Easily my favorite player on the team. Defensively he needs some work. I think he has solid fundamentals, he simply needs to give better effort. He could probably use someone to hold his hands when it comes to defense...maybe bring in World Peace to teach him a few things on defense?
Lopez - C Another roller coaster player. However, I do think he was forced/misused to play out of position. He reminds me of Pau, when we D'antoni turned him into a full time face up player.
Hart - C+ Very solid production. However, sample size was too small for my liking. Keep playing the way you've played late in the season.
Bryant - meh, no grade for me. Hardly saw much from him when i did actually watch. Solid summer league.
GP II - meh, no grade for me. Hardly saw much from him when i did actually watch.
Wear - D- please cut him
Caruso - C - He's a pretty limited player, but he plays hard whenever he's on the floor. I would keep him around until we can actually find a better player... I would cut Ennis
IT - C - Didn't shoot the ball well, but I felt our players played well with him.
Zubac - F - Giving Okafor (whom i think is a much better player) can barely find work, Zubac should be out of the league in a few years. Like Okafor, he's probably playing in the wrong era.
Ingram A - not rated. Not sure why he's on this list.
Ennis - F - There's no hope for Ennis, time to cut him.
Deng - not rated. It's easy to crap on Deng... but considering he didn't even play, he should not be rated.
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I prefer to give grades rated relatively against themselves, rather than grade relative to some absolute scale where A is michael jordan and F is Anthony bennett.
Lonzo - C (I'd give him a B but he lost a grade due to not being able to stay healthy)
Ingram - B+
KCP - B+
Randle - A
Kuzma - A (based on where he was taken and expectations)
Lopez - B
Hart - A (based on where he was taken and expectations)
Bryant - N/A (Didn't really play)
GP II - N/A (Didn't really play
Wear - A for what he gives and how much he cost
Caruso- A for what he gives and how much he cost
IT - C
Zubac - D
Ingram A - N/A (Didn't really play
Ennis - D+(He was an F until late in the season)
Deng -
Lonzo - C (I'd give him a B but he lost a grade due to not being able to stay healthy)
Ingram - B+
KCP - B+
Randle - A
Kuzma - A (based on where he was taken and expectations)
Lopez - B
Hart - A (based on where he was taken and expectations)
Bryant - N/A (Didn't really play)
GP II - N/A (Didn't really play
Wear - A for what he gives and how much he cost
Caruso- A for what he gives and how much he cost
IT - C
Zubac - D
Ingram A - N/A (Didn't really play
Ennis - D+(He was an F until late in the season)
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GUARDS:
Lonzo Ball: C+ -- The only thing that knocks him down and doesn't make it higher is the time missed. I just can't give a great grade to a guy who played only 52 games. I loved absolutely everything about his game outside of the shooting. And even with that, there was a lot of positives in that regard. His mentality as far as shot selection was progressing in a nice direction. He started to get into the mid-range more and navigate pick and rolls better. He showed for a 20 game stretch that he can make shots from deep at a high clip.
Isaiah Thomas: B- -- Clearly, the guy wasn't healthy. But even with that factor, he came in and never complained about coming off the bench, even though his agent dictated otherwise. He provided an element offensively that this team needed. He also provides a confidence and work ethic that I think can be good for our young players. On the court, he alone brought the team FT% up himself and he made big ones down the stretch in a lot of close games. I would love to see him back on a one-year deal if possible. Hopefully the surgery allows him to get back to his normal self and fine tune his game to where it should be.
Tyler Ennis: F -- I'm not letting a positive stretch in the last week change my mind. He was garbage and doesn't deserve to be on a roster next year. Period.
Alex Caruso: C- -- He has a lot of work to do to become a more confident offensively player. I would certainly give him a camp invite. His grit & hustle defensively certainly has a place in this league.
Gary Payton: I -- Incomplete. I'm not sure why we signed him in the first place. I would be willing to give him a summer league invite, but he has to make a lot of strides offensively.
KCP: B -- Outside of a one month stretch where he was in jail, he was surprisingly pretty good. His numbers post All Star break were the following: 14.2 PPG, 5.8 RPG, 2.1 APG, 1.1 SPG, 45% FG, 42% 3PT, 87% FT. That's really damn good. If he's on the team next year, I wouldn't be surprised, but it would have to be at a team friendly deal. If we don't sign the big free agents, I'd love to see a 2 year deal, starting at 10-12M with a team option for a 3rd year. If we don't get the big fish, guys on a good deals should be what we go for and he's obviously a candidate for that.
Josh Hart: A -- He gave me everything I expected and more. I expected him to come in and be a solid piece if called upon. I didn't expect him to get the minutes he got and be as productive as he was. He started pounding out double doubles almost immediately as soon as he got the opportunity to do so. He's going to be a huge member of the team going forward.
FORWARDS/BIGS:
Brandon Ingram: B+ -- The only thing stopping me from giving him an A+ is the missed games. Maybe a lot of that is on the conservative medical staff, but when you miss almost 30 games, that knocks you down a bunch. Period. But everything turned around for Ingram. His body is going to get better every year until he's 24 or 25 years old, especially with the work ethic he has. I'd like him to his free throw numbers up and add some more game in the post, but that's about it. He became a way better shooter from distance. I know he didn't shoot the ball from 3PT range 5 or 6 times a game, but that'll come in time. Even still, I never imagined him finishing the year as a 39% 3PT shooter. Never.
Kyle Kuzma: A+ -- For the position he was drafted, I couldn't expect anything better. I was thinking of knocking him down a grade to an A or an A- due to his D, but that's extremely nitpicking. His D will get better as he gains more experience. But his offensive versatility is unbelievable. He can do everything that's needed from an offensive perspective.
Julius Randle: A+ -- Unbelievable year. He was the MVP of the team. Especially from where he started, being d**ked around by the coaching staff & front office. I hear guys discuss who should be on the All Defense team, and I honestly think if we had 5-10 more wins, he'd be easily a favourite. His switching and versatility was something I didn't expect. His consistent effort is something I didn't expect. He had a little bit of a drop off in the last 5-10 games, but I don't knock him for that. He's the only guy on this team who plays major minutes who played all 82 games. Offensively, his decision making was much better this year. He still gets charges once or twice a game but I'll take that for everything else he offers. Still so much room for him to grow. We need to do everything possible to keep him. If someone throws a max contract of 4 years, 106M at him, I'd match that. Hopefully it doesn't get to that number, but we have to do everything possible to keep him.
Travis Wear: B -- I didn't expect him to be as productive as he was. He wasn't as bad on D as I thought. Can he ever be a rotation player on a playoff team? I don't think so. But you need specialists like him on the back end of a roster who can come in, knock down shots and fill in when injuries occur.
Luol Deng: WTF -- Should have been a contributor, especially later in the season with all the injuries. Too many questions with Deng that we'll never get the answer to until he's on another team. But he absolutely could have been a solid piece. I thought he looked good in the pre-season and if he was used properly, could have been a contributor. We'll see.
Brook Lopez: C+ -- Took him a while to settle in. Defensively, he was a good rim protector from the very start. You can tell he's a great guy in the locker room. Once we found the identity of the team, he fit in well. I would love to see him back on a short term deal. His outside shooting as a legit 5-man changes the game when he's on the floor.
Ivica Zubac: D -- I wish we had a bigger sample size to work with. He was glued to the bench and South Bay until after the trade deadline. Hit and miss with Zubac. Sometimes he looked good, sometimes he looked like the Zubac we saw in the summer league this past year. If it comes down to Bryant or Zubac, Bryant will be the one who's going to be staying.
Channing Frye: B -- Like Zu, I wish we had a bigger sample size but missing all that time after the trade deadline sucked. From every account, he's one of the best locker room guys in the league. I think he makes the back end of the roster better if he's back on a minimum deal, especially with his ability to shoot the ball at his size.
Thomas Bryant: I -- Incomplete. Loved what he did with South Bay, but he never got enough time on the big squad to make at true evaluation. Again, minutes that went to Bogut at the start of the season were wasted instead of giving Bryant or Zubac opportunities.
As far as Andre Ingram: We should have given him a 10 day way sooner. I get that he's 32 years old, but clearly he can shoot the ball. And for the first half of the season until the trade deadline, we couldn't hit the side of a barn. We also couldn't make free throws. Signing someone like Gary Payton or keeping Corey Brewer on as long as we did was really not needed. We should have found the best shooter in the G-League and gave him a try out. I was all for signing guys like Mike Dunleavy or Anthony Morrow. If I had the time to follow the G-League, I would have instantly recommended Ingram, especially since he practices and plays in our building.
LUKE:
B+ With as much youth as we're playing, I never expected this team to be in the top half of the league defensively. Never in a million years. The way he got everyone to buy-in from the start on that end was impressive. And when Lonzo and Brook were in the line-up, we were probably better than Top 15 and more in the 8-12 range.
I hate the way he handled Randle to begin the year. It still angers me, especially when I think we could have easily had another couple wins during that time period. The Memphis game at home a few days before Christmas stands out. We should have never lost that game, and Randle was pulled after one defensive mistake even though he was being productive in extremely limited minutes. With that said, he finally got to that decision and it worked.
I wasn't happy with the ball movement to begin the year, but after January those concerns left my mind completely. We started moving the ball really well, pushing pace, and shooting the ball better. Our half court ball and player movement was a positive as well.
My deep concerns that I had for Luke and his staff took a 180 turn and I couldn't be happier to have him as the coach going forward. He knows how to connect to players, and he's everything you look for in a coach. I'd love to see us add another veteran assistant coach to be another set of eyes, however.
Lonzo Ball: C+ -- The only thing that knocks him down and doesn't make it higher is the time missed. I just can't give a great grade to a guy who played only 52 games. I loved absolutely everything about his game outside of the shooting. And even with that, there was a lot of positives in that regard. His mentality as far as shot selection was progressing in a nice direction. He started to get into the mid-range more and navigate pick and rolls better. He showed for a 20 game stretch that he can make shots from deep at a high clip.
Isaiah Thomas: B- -- Clearly, the guy wasn't healthy. But even with that factor, he came in and never complained about coming off the bench, even though his agent dictated otherwise. He provided an element offensively that this team needed. He also provides a confidence and work ethic that I think can be good for our young players. On the court, he alone brought the team FT% up himself and he made big ones down the stretch in a lot of close games. I would love to see him back on a one-year deal if possible. Hopefully the surgery allows him to get back to his normal self and fine tune his game to where it should be.
Tyler Ennis: F -- I'm not letting a positive stretch in the last week change my mind. He was garbage and doesn't deserve to be on a roster next year. Period.
Alex Caruso: C- -- He has a lot of work to do to become a more confident offensively player. I would certainly give him a camp invite. His grit & hustle defensively certainly has a place in this league.
Gary Payton: I -- Incomplete. I'm not sure why we signed him in the first place. I would be willing to give him a summer league invite, but he has to make a lot of strides offensively.
KCP: B -- Outside of a one month stretch where he was in jail, he was surprisingly pretty good. His numbers post All Star break were the following: 14.2 PPG, 5.8 RPG, 2.1 APG, 1.1 SPG, 45% FG, 42% 3PT, 87% FT. That's really damn good. If he's on the team next year, I wouldn't be surprised, but it would have to be at a team friendly deal. If we don't sign the big free agents, I'd love to see a 2 year deal, starting at 10-12M with a team option for a 3rd year. If we don't get the big fish, guys on a good deals should be what we go for and he's obviously a candidate for that.
Josh Hart: A -- He gave me everything I expected and more. I expected him to come in and be a solid piece if called upon. I didn't expect him to get the minutes he got and be as productive as he was. He started pounding out double doubles almost immediately as soon as he got the opportunity to do so. He's going to be a huge member of the team going forward.
FORWARDS/BIGS:
Brandon Ingram: B+ -- The only thing stopping me from giving him an A+ is the missed games. Maybe a lot of that is on the conservative medical staff, but when you miss almost 30 games, that knocks you down a bunch. Period. But everything turned around for Ingram. His body is going to get better every year until he's 24 or 25 years old, especially with the work ethic he has. I'd like him to his free throw numbers up and add some more game in the post, but that's about it. He became a way better shooter from distance. I know he didn't shoot the ball from 3PT range 5 or 6 times a game, but that'll come in time. Even still, I never imagined him finishing the year as a 39% 3PT shooter. Never.
Kyle Kuzma: A+ -- For the position he was drafted, I couldn't expect anything better. I was thinking of knocking him down a grade to an A or an A- due to his D, but that's extremely nitpicking. His D will get better as he gains more experience. But his offensive versatility is unbelievable. He can do everything that's needed from an offensive perspective.
Julius Randle: A+ -- Unbelievable year. He was the MVP of the team. Especially from where he started, being d**ked around by the coaching staff & front office. I hear guys discuss who should be on the All Defense team, and I honestly think if we had 5-10 more wins, he'd be easily a favourite. His switching and versatility was something I didn't expect. His consistent effort is something I didn't expect. He had a little bit of a drop off in the last 5-10 games, but I don't knock him for that. He's the only guy on this team who plays major minutes who played all 82 games. Offensively, his decision making was much better this year. He still gets charges once or twice a game but I'll take that for everything else he offers. Still so much room for him to grow. We need to do everything possible to keep him. If someone throws a max contract of 4 years, 106M at him, I'd match that. Hopefully it doesn't get to that number, but we have to do everything possible to keep him.
Travis Wear: B -- I didn't expect him to be as productive as he was. He wasn't as bad on D as I thought. Can he ever be a rotation player on a playoff team? I don't think so. But you need specialists like him on the back end of a roster who can come in, knock down shots and fill in when injuries occur.
Luol Deng: WTF -- Should have been a contributor, especially later in the season with all the injuries. Too many questions with Deng that we'll never get the answer to until he's on another team. But he absolutely could have been a solid piece. I thought he looked good in the pre-season and if he was used properly, could have been a contributor. We'll see.
Brook Lopez: C+ -- Took him a while to settle in. Defensively, he was a good rim protector from the very start. You can tell he's a great guy in the locker room. Once we found the identity of the team, he fit in well. I would love to see him back on a short term deal. His outside shooting as a legit 5-man changes the game when he's on the floor.
Ivica Zubac: D -- I wish we had a bigger sample size to work with. He was glued to the bench and South Bay until after the trade deadline. Hit and miss with Zubac. Sometimes he looked good, sometimes he looked like the Zubac we saw in the summer league this past year. If it comes down to Bryant or Zubac, Bryant will be the one who's going to be staying.
Channing Frye: B -- Like Zu, I wish we had a bigger sample size but missing all that time after the trade deadline sucked. From every account, he's one of the best locker room guys in the league. I think he makes the back end of the roster better if he's back on a minimum deal, especially with his ability to shoot the ball at his size.
Thomas Bryant: I -- Incomplete. Loved what he did with South Bay, but he never got enough time on the big squad to make at true evaluation. Again, minutes that went to Bogut at the start of the season were wasted instead of giving Bryant or Zubac opportunities.
As far as Andre Ingram: We should have given him a 10 day way sooner. I get that he's 32 years old, but clearly he can shoot the ball. And for the first half of the season until the trade deadline, we couldn't hit the side of a barn. We also couldn't make free throws. Signing someone like Gary Payton or keeping Corey Brewer on as long as we did was really not needed. We should have found the best shooter in the G-League and gave him a try out. I was all for signing guys like Mike Dunleavy or Anthony Morrow. If I had the time to follow the G-League, I would have instantly recommended Ingram, especially since he practices and plays in our building.
LUKE:
B+ With as much youth as we're playing, I never expected this team to be in the top half of the league defensively. Never in a million years. The way he got everyone to buy-in from the start on that end was impressive. And when Lonzo and Brook were in the line-up, we were probably better than Top 15 and more in the 8-12 range.
I hate the way he handled Randle to begin the year. It still angers me, especially when I think we could have easily had another couple wins during that time period. The Memphis game at home a few days before Christmas stands out. We should have never lost that game, and Randle was pulled after one defensive mistake even though he was being productive in extremely limited minutes. With that said, he finally got to that decision and it worked.
I wasn't happy with the ball movement to begin the year, but after January those concerns left my mind completely. We started moving the ball really well, pushing pace, and shooting the ball better. Our half court ball and player movement was a positive as well.
My deep concerns that I had for Luke and his staff took a 180 turn and I couldn't be happier to have him as the coach going forward. He knows how to connect to players, and he's everything you look for in a coach. I'd love to see us add another veteran assistant coach to be another set of eyes, however.

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Lonzo : About what I expected. Not the messiah some predicted. He's got some work to do to be a balanced player.
Ingram B: Nice second year. Scoring up but more importantly his overall awareness was much better.
KCP: Fools gold to me. Historic 40% shooter had a good year on a bad team. There's as good or better for less.
Randle: A nice step forward in recognition of where he's good and where he's not. Overall, his inattentiveness to the details didn't improve much.
Kuzma: Surprise of the draft without a doubt. Best natural scorer on the team from day one it seemed. Rounded out the year with decent rebounding and played a ton of minutes.
Lopez: See KCP except add age and slowness. His biggest contribution is coming this summer.
Hart: Nice late pick. He's a little like D-Fish in that he has a ton of flaws but knows how to play.
Bryant: Don't see much here in reality. His G-league stats won't translate and he's very (understatement) raw in the BBIQ department. Long term development?
GP II: Not enough to tell. The league has spoken on him I'd think.
Wear: See GP II
Caruso: Maybe an end of the bench spot on a contender level team.
IT: He can score but what he can't do counts more IMHO.
Zubac: Strange way we "developed" him this year. Never understood the Bogut signing. He understands the game well and is young however it seems unlikely he's going to get any PT going forward if we get who we want this summer. This was the year for him to develop and we flat out didn't even try for some reason.
Ingram A: League has spoken here.
Ennis: Hopefully the league will give him a call too....
Deng: Best job in the world.
As for "keep" or "gonner" ..... the offseason will be the determinant for so many of these guys. If we get Bron right away I could see us trade Ingram or Kuzma to rid ourselves of Deng to get PG and keep Randle..... OTOH we could let Randle walk and keep Kuzma/Ingram. Who really knows? I hope our leadership looks to build a true balanced team over just keeping our guys because they are our guys even if they don't fit.
I would search for a true back up PG, pass on KCP ($17M for 40% shooting... what will he want for his career year?) and Lopez and pursue a central rebounder at center.
Ingram B: Nice second year. Scoring up but more importantly his overall awareness was much better.
KCP: Fools gold to me. Historic 40% shooter had a good year on a bad team. There's as good or better for less.
Randle: A nice step forward in recognition of where he's good and where he's not. Overall, his inattentiveness to the details didn't improve much.
Kuzma: Surprise of the draft without a doubt. Best natural scorer on the team from day one it seemed. Rounded out the year with decent rebounding and played a ton of minutes.
Lopez: See KCP except add age and slowness. His biggest contribution is coming this summer.
Hart: Nice late pick. He's a little like D-Fish in that he has a ton of flaws but knows how to play.
Bryant: Don't see much here in reality. His G-league stats won't translate and he's very (understatement) raw in the BBIQ department. Long term development?
GP II: Not enough to tell. The league has spoken on him I'd think.
Wear: See GP II
Caruso: Maybe an end of the bench spot on a contender level team.
IT: He can score but what he can't do counts more IMHO.
Zubac: Strange way we "developed" him this year. Never understood the Bogut signing. He understands the game well and is young however it seems unlikely he's going to get any PT going forward if we get who we want this summer. This was the year for him to develop and we flat out didn't even try for some reason.
Ingram A: League has spoken here.
Ennis: Hopefully the league will give him a call too....
Deng: Best job in the world.
As for "keep" or "gonner" ..... the offseason will be the determinant for so many of these guys. If we get Bron right away I could see us trade Ingram or Kuzma to rid ourselves of Deng to get PG and keep Randle..... OTOH we could let Randle walk and keep Kuzma/Ingram. Who really knows? I hope our leadership looks to build a true balanced team over just keeping our guys because they are our guys even if they don't fit.
I would search for a true back up PG, pass on KCP ($17M for 40% shooting... what will he want for his career year?) and Lopez and pursue a central rebounder at center.
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danfantastk32 wrote:Crooked-I wrote:
Lopez
Eh. Don't have too much to say about Lopez. He was alright, I was expecting more tbh. Heard someone say he's fools gold, I think that's accurate. I dont think he's here next season, I can see some team is gonna offer him a multi year deal that we wont.
Grade: C+
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Interesting take. I am one of the guys who's pretty big on Lopez.....but I agree whole-heartedly with the 'fools gold' analogy. He had some games there where you were like "ok.....there we go! This is what we wanted!" ......but on the whole, he kinda leaves you wanting more. It's easy to fall in love with what he "could be". Especially since he does give you a few of those games.
Not sure we have a better option at Center. He does spread the floor. As I have posted before...we were one of the best rebounding teams, and Luke has Lopez playing out on the perimeter alot. He also seems to have orders to turn and start running once the other teams shoots it up. Our other players seem to be dealing with the rebounds just fine...so I don't have a particular issue with it.
I am curious what becomes of him. He had the chance to be waived...go earn more $$ and be on playoff team, and he declined because he WANTS to play here. Bonus attitude in my book...and he just might take a bit of a cut. Especially if we do bring in a big-dog this offseason.
I mean i'm all for resigning him if its on the cheap. I just think he gets more elsewhere. I'm not really sure if Magic and Pelinka are going to be giving multiple year contracts. Might still want flexibility for 2019. And if I were Brook, I wouldn't accept a 1 year deal.
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Ingram B ... B ... keeper, solid B season. huge improvement over last season. solid running the point which led to winning basketball. might be an A- or even A+ level player in the future.
Randle ... B ... keeper, solid B season. above average on both sides of the ball.
Lonzo ... C ... keeper, not a good rookie season for a #2 pick but not horrible. saw confidence waiver during season. horrible shooter. has 2 different shooting form so he'll have to decide on 1. will need to improve shooting (all facets: lay ups, mid range, 3 point, free throws, etc)
Kuzma ... B- ... keeper, hit the rookie wall, will be a solid offensive contributor, still think he'll project to be an above average defender, works hard, might top out as a B+ player in the league, developing sky hook.
Hart ... C- ... solid rookie season, looks to be a solid contributor, might have starter upside but likely rotational player.
Zubac - D- ... goner, disappointed with development, was hoping he'd be a rotational bench big man but doesn't look that way
IT ... incomplete ... not going to say goner since he can be signed to a 1 year deal to be a 6th man if no max worthy player is signed
Bryant ... incomplete ... keeper, already known he wasn't going to get playing time. developmental player.
KCP ... C+ ... goner, salary cap reasons
Lopez ... C- ... goner, salary cap reasons
GP II ... no grade ... goner
Caruso ... no grade ... goner
Wear ... no grade ... goner
Ennis ... no grade ... goner
Ingram A ... no grade ... goner
Deng ... F ... goner, salary reasons, will likely be stretched
Randle ... B ... keeper, solid B season. above average on both sides of the ball.
Lonzo ... C ... keeper, not a good rookie season for a #2 pick but not horrible. saw confidence waiver during season. horrible shooter. has 2 different shooting form so he'll have to decide on 1. will need to improve shooting (all facets: lay ups, mid range, 3 point, free throws, etc)
Kuzma ... B- ... keeper, hit the rookie wall, will be a solid offensive contributor, still think he'll project to be an above average defender, works hard, might top out as a B+ player in the league, developing sky hook.
Hart ... C- ... solid rookie season, looks to be a solid contributor, might have starter upside but likely rotational player.
Zubac - D- ... goner, disappointed with development, was hoping he'd be a rotational bench big man but doesn't look that way
IT ... incomplete ... not going to say goner since he can be signed to a 1 year deal to be a 6th man if no max worthy player is signed
Bryant ... incomplete ... keeper, already known he wasn't going to get playing time. developmental player.
KCP ... C+ ... goner, salary cap reasons
Lopez ... C- ... goner, salary cap reasons
GP II ... no grade ... goner
Caruso ... no grade ... goner
Wear ... no grade ... goner
Ennis ... no grade ... goner
Ingram A ... no grade ... goner
Deng ... F ... goner, salary reasons, will likely be stretched
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Crooked-I wrote:I mean i'm all for resigning him if its on the cheap. I just think he gets more elsewhere. I'm not really sure if Magic and Pelinka are going to be giving multiple year contracts. Might still want flexibility for 2019. And if I were Brook, I wouldn't accept a 1 year deal.
Yeah....it would def have to be on the cheap. Interestingly...he was asked, and I will try and quote it as best as I can remember: Would you be willing to, you know, take a pretty significant pay cut (it was either 'significant' or pretty significant'....) to stay here, if they do sign a Star or two and become a contender. <-------something to that affect.
He basically said Yeah.
Listening to his exit interview, and remembering the intro-interviews....he's an LA guy who was super-stoked to be here with the Lakers. I think this team really got along, and I think he had a fun year. I also think he knows he's not gonna get that contract again. If someone comes along and offer him a 3-year $40 mil deal....we're prob gonna lose him. But I don't think he'll leave over a few mil. He seems to really want to be here.
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I think Zubac gets a bad grade, but might not totally be all his fault. He was especially vocal about his limited minutes on his exit interview.
That Bogut signing was a head scratcher which basically said Zubac's development was put on hold, seemed like we were hoping for something that wasn't there. We had a bottleneck with our bigs, seeing Randle and Nance getting C minutes behind Lopez, pushing him further back. Basically, it seems Luke had to satisfy everyone first and unfortunately, at Zubac's expense.
I hope we give him a fighting chance next season.
That Bogut signing was a head scratcher which basically said Zubac's development was put on hold, seemed like we were hoping for something that wasn't there. We had a bottleneck with our bigs, seeing Randle and Nance getting C minutes behind Lopez, pushing him further back. Basically, it seems Luke had to satisfy everyone first and unfortunately, at Zubac's expense.
I hope we give him a fighting chance next season.