What do you think is Ball's value is at this point?

MelosSoreWrist · Post #1 » by **MelosSoreWrist** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:02 pm

From reports, it seems like the Lakers are shopping him around, possibly in conjunction to creating a superteam.

And from reports, the Spurs dont have strong interest in Ball.

And reports are Atlanta is interested in acquiring assets for bad contracts.

Shroder and the Hawks are on the verge of breakup

Atlanta has the 3rd, 19th, 30th, 33rd (2nd rd) picks

Lakers have the 25th and 47th (2nd rd) picks

Opinions vary here on Ball. What do you think a Deng/Ball package is worth?

For example, from the extreme of Deng and Ball for Atlanta's 3rd pick. To Deng, Ball and the 25th for Atlanta's 30th pick. And everything inbetween.

No name · Post #2 » by **No name** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:07 pm

I think that latter is more reasonable if you are attaching Deng. Nobody will help the Lakers create a super team so attaching Deng loses even more value than just Deng's cap hit. Ball straight up is worth picks 2-5 in my mind. I'm a Lonzo fan.

BBBKobe · Post #3 » by **BBBKobe** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:15 pm

Similar to Russell's value last year, he could be attached to move a bad contract. I don't think teams will send assets however for Zo.

iamworthy · Post #4 » by **iamworthy** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:29 pm

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ak7 · Post #5 » by **ak7** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:33 pm

His father is such an idiot and created such an impressive negative atmosphere around his kid that I don’t think we could get positive value for him at all. I mean honestly, who wants to deal with it?

No name · Post #6 » by **No name** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:36 pm

All of that marketing that Lavar would seem pretty short sighted if it drowned him out of LA.

ak7 · Post #7 » by **ak7** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:39 pm

No name wrote:All of that marketing that Lavar would seem pretty short sighted if it drowned him out of LA.

Going on LA Radio and saying LeBron couldn’t teach Lonzo anything about the game of basketball because he already taught Lonzo everything isn’t marketing, it’s being a moron.

MelosSoreWrist · Post #8 » by **MelosSoreWrist** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:41 pm

ak7 wrote:His father is such an idiot and created such an impressive negative atmosphere around his kid that I don’t think we could get positive value for him at all. I mean honestly, who wants to deal with it?

See, I think a team like the Hawks, who get no interest, no exposure, dead last in attendance and in for a long rebuild might find value in the Ball circus.

biscuittoman · Post #9 » by **biscuittoman** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:49 pm

Ball could find support in Atlanta as their fanbase are as loyal to Lakers as Laker fans.

MelosSoreWrist · Post #10 » by **MelosSoreWrist** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:54 pm

BBBKobe wrote:Similar to Russell's value last year, he could be attached to move a bad contract. I don't think teams will send assets however for Zo.

Russell had just finished his 2nd year. Ball just finished his 1st year.

Mozgov's contract is slightly smaller but had 3 years left. Deng's contract has 2 years left (could be an expiring asset after 1 year)

Russell and Mozgov got back the 27th pick and an expiring.

If Russell = Ball and we scale all the other variables... feels like Ball and Deng should get the Lakers the 19th pick.

From there the 19th and 25th pick can be used to go up the draft or opens up the possibility of moving both the '18 1st rounder and the '19 1st rounder in a trade for Kawhi.

mcscotty · Post #11 » by **mcscotty** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:24 pm

I see Lonzo as a Ben Simmons level talent. It would take something collasal for the Lakers to ever consider parting ways with him, and if any team is lucky enough to acquire him, they almost certainly won't regret it. The Spurs might be saying they have no interest in Ball, but I'm not buying that for one minute.

Post #12 » by **Kilroy** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:34 pm

Ball's a tough call for me... I respect the opinions of a lot of people who are firmly in the 'future super-star' camp... And part of me sees a lot of Jason Kidd qualities in him...

But the other part of me sees a kid who's not close to leading a good team... He's not a vocal leader and can't lead with his scoring... And as great a passer as he is in transition, I'm not seeing a player who could facilitate an offense effectively in the half court... Not sure I've seen any indication that's a real possibility, honestly...

Elite PG's generally take about 5 seasons to come into their own in the NBA... And Ball's really young...

If there was no indication we could land LeBron/PG and Kawhi this offseason, I'd say Ball was completely untouchable, along with Ingram... If for no other reason than, we'd have cap room next season too, and could afford to give him another year to see what his work ethic is like and his mind set...

But given the current situation... I'm inclined to see him more like an asset, and I'd value him about as much as a to 5 pick. Which is to say, virtually untouchable, but still available to make the right deal.

Post #13 » by **TyCobb** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:43 pm

Just gonna break it down real quick... Lonzo Ball is not a finished product. Lonzo Ball is not done developing. Lonzo Ball has take-over mentality. Lonzo Ball has the best IQ in the game. If you understand basketball, you will realize you put him at PG and you can put any type of player next to him. LeBron and PG didn't say he is a guy you want to play with for no reason. He is the real deal.

One Love · Post #14 » by **One Love** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:44 pm

I love Lonzo’s game as there is nothing more fun than playing with a legit pass first PG... He also is one of the top rebounders and defenders at his position... I am a little disappointed in his rap crap & immaturity but I do love his game, outside of his shot...

Trading Lonzo after his rookie year is a bad move & Magic knows this too... Lets add PG & LBJ & keep the young core... Ball, Kuzz, Ingram & Hart will be in the league for 10 years...

Lakeshow Baby...

RamonSessions7 · Post #15 » by **RamonSessions7** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 5:47 pm

TyCobb wrote:Just gonna break it down real quick... Lonzo Ball is not a finished product. Lonzo Ball is not done developing. Lonzo Ball has take-over mentality. Lonzo Ball has the best IQ in the game. If you understand basketball, you will realize you put him at PG and you can put any type of player next to him. LeBron and PG didn't say he is a guy you want to play with for no reason. He is the real deal.

Whenever I start wavering slightly, you pull me back in

d00lttle · Post #16 » by **d00lttle** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:49 pm

Hawks are below the NBA salary cap floor right now, I think they need to add something like 10-15 million, so Deng's contract is more digestible. If they actually have interest in Ball, despite the distractions that will come with him, I think Ball + Deng could get a second round pick. If we attach our own 25th, then maybe it might net us the 19th instead of the second round pick. It would essentially be like the Hawks dropping 6 spots in this year's draft to gain a lottery pick (safe to assume Lonzo would still be a lottery pick in this years draft).

TwoStarz · Post #17 » by **TwoStarz** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 6:55 pm

Not getting traded...unless Magic and Pelinka are idiots, which I don’t think they are

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larry14r · Post #18 » by **larry14r** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 7:45 pm

I think Lonzo is going to seperate himself from his dad soon because he might think there are better management out there for him.

ak7 · Post #19 » by **ak7** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:04 pm

larry14r wrote:I think Lonzo is going to seperate himself from his dad soon because he might think there are better management out there for him.

Yeah, that's probably not ever happening. Why would it? His father has been there for the entirety of Lonzo's life, it's his father. If you want Lonzo, you also have to be willing to take Lavar. The Lakers haven't shut him up, I doubt any franchise is willing to take the chance.

It's a much bigger red flag in my opinion if a player is willing to cut ties with his father for a "management" company.

Vae Victus · Post #20 » by **Vae Victus** » Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:49 pm

Lonzo's trade value atm is utter garbage as he's had a terrible rookie season so far, rife with injuries. Despite his promise in several aspects of the game, other GMs will rightly point out all of his flaws shown so far and hammer down on them.

As such trading him is the ultimate sell low moment that other teams are salivating over and hoping we'd be short sighted and stupid enough to do.

The Lakers will not trade Lonzo. We need a PG anyway and other GMs are gonna lowball us like mad for him.

Ingram otoh is on the complete opposite trajectory... he's had an amazing sophmore season showing many impressive skill along with his physical gifts. He is thus someone other GMs are salivating over and would legit trade hard core assets for.

Cmon Pop, we got yo Kawhi replacement right here.