Premise: Lakers Have No Shooting

kblo247 · Post #1 » by **kblo247** » Tue Jul 3, 2018 7:40 pm

Lakers have no shooting

KCP shot 38% from 3 on 5 attempts and 42% post all star break. In fact from Janurary 1st to the end of the season, KCP only shot 1.6% worse than Redick from 3 (42.5% vs 44.1%)

Kuzma made 36% of his threes on 6 attempts a night.

Rondo shot 36.4% from spot up 3's the last 3 years and 33% on off the dribble 3's.

Josh Hart shot 39.6% from 3 on 3 attempts per game

Ingram shot 39% on 2 attempts a night

Where the **** is that narrative coming from? Because Lonzo can’t shoot or that Rondo couldn’t hit 3s early in his career like Jason Kidd?

I know Lance shot 30% but he only takes 2 a night and is known to work the mid and attack the goal.

Post #2 » by **dockingsched** » Tue Jul 3, 2018 7:48 pm

It should be noted that Rondo made 50 3’s all year. For context, Lonzo made 90 in 52 games.

lakerz12 · Post #3 » by **lakerz12** » Tue Jul 3, 2018 7:49 pm

Because people are stupid and they underrate all of the Lakers besides Lebron.

And they are obsessed with certain narratives like Lebron needing to be surrounded by shooters.

Mamba Mentality · Post #4 » by **Mamba Mentality** » Tue Jul 3, 2018 7:53 pm

Well the Lakers were statistically the second worst three point shooting team last season at 34.5% (only ousted by the Suns). But Kuz, Ingram, KCP, and Hart all shot above the league average...and you figure those numbers will only go up with Lebron. I think most people who are critical of the Lakers three point shooting are just talking out of their ass and don't really know the personnel all too well.

Sedale Threatt · Post #5 » by **Sedale Threatt** » Tue Jul 3, 2018 7:57 pm

The Regime wrote:Well the Lakers were statistically the second worst three point shooting team last season

The Regime wrote:most people who are critical of the Lakers three point shooting are just talking out of their ass

I can't reconcile these two statements.

Mamba Mentality · Post #6 » by **Mamba Mentality** » Tue Jul 3, 2018 7:59 pm

Sedale Threatt wrote:
The Regime wrote:Well the Lakers were statistically the second worst three point shooting team last season

The Regime wrote:most people who are critical of the Lakers three point shooting are just talking out of their ass

I can't reconcile these two statements.

The difference is Lebron. Lakers have the shooting just need someone who can draw attention and create more opportunities for those guys.

kblo247 · Post #7 » by **kblo247** » Tue Jul 3, 2018 8:01 pm

dockingsched wrote:It should be noted that Rondo made 50 3’s all year. For context, Lonzo made 90 in 52 games.

Lonzo took 145 more than him too though

Sedale Threatt · Post #8 » by **Sedale Threatt** » Tue Jul 3, 2018 8:03 pm

The Regime wrote:
Sedale Threatt wrote:
The Regime wrote:Well the Lakers were statistically the second worst three point shooting team last season

The Regime wrote:most people who are critical of the Lakers three point shooting are just talking out of their ass

I can't reconcile these two statements.

The difference is Lebron. Lakers have the shooting just need someone who can draw attention and create more opportunities for those guys.

Possibly. KCP was great over the last 40 games or so -- pretty sure Hart had a similar improvement -- but he's streaky as hell, and Ingram and Hart both have to up their volume while maintaining or improving their percentage. So while it's going to be great to have somebody who can occupy attention and find shooters in LeBron, we still don't have a truly knockdown shooter in the bunch. We'll see if the young guys can make the aforementioned improvements.

kblo247 · Post #9 » by **kblo247** » Tue Jul 3, 2018 8:07 pm

The Regime wrote:Well the Lakers were statistically the second worst three point shooting team last season at 34.5% (only ousted by the Suns). But Kuz, Ingram, KCP, and Hart all shot above the league average...and you figure those numbers will only go up with Lebron. I think most people who are critical of the Lakers three point shooting are just talking out of their ass and don't really know the personnel all too well.

Clarkson impacted that too. He shot 32% in la and attempted 210 before he was traded

Brook Lopez went 112/324 which was 34% on the season to allow Randle to have the paint

Randle went 10/45 too on the year

Lonzo went 90/295 for 30% in 50 games

NBAWestFan · Post #10 » by **NBAWestFan** » Tue Jul 3, 2018 8:08 pm

What about the new guys?

Wagner is up there in %. A 6-11 Shooter

SVI is a pretty high % too. 6-8 shooting guard. Like a young Korver

Get them Playing to see if they can hit the big shot in the crunch

kblo247 · Post #11 » by **kblo247** » Tue Jul 3, 2018 8:10 pm

NBAWestFan wrote:What about the new guys?

Wagner is up there in %. A 6-11 Shooter

SVI is a pretty high % too. 6-8 shooting guard. Like a young Korver

Get them Playing to see if they can hit the big shot in the crunch

Nba vs college three ... we shall see

kobe808lak · Post #12 » by **kobe808lak** » Tue Jul 3, 2018 8:11 pm

Ball and Clarkson tanked our percentages

Laker_Kid · Post #13 » by **Laker_Kid** » Tue Jul 3, 2018 8:16 pm

plus, Brook Lopez shot 35%. We’re going to want that back at that position.

personally, i’m not worried at all.

Post #14 » by **Kilroy** » Tue Jul 3, 2018 8:39 pm

Guys like Ingram Kuz and Ball have never played with someone like LeBron... So basing future performance on past performance may be a little problematic... And it's not always going to improve with LeBron either... See Clarkson... It can be too much pressure playing with a player like LeBron for some shooters...
What you see is what you get from Rondo, but I'd be focused more on getting a legit starting C at this point rather than trying to add more jump shooters...

kblo247 · Post #15 » by **kblo247** » Tue Jul 3, 2018 8:46 pm

Kilroy wrote:Guys like Ingram Kuz and Ball have never played with someone like LeBron... So basing future performance on past performance may be a little problematic... And it's not always going to improve with LeBron either... See Clarkson... It can be too much pressure playing with a player like LeBron for some shooters...
What you see is what you get from Rondo, but I'd be focused more on getting a legit starting C at this point rather than trying to add more jump shooters...

I think Kuzma will excel from day one because he’s naturally aggressive. Him and KCP will eat early on from Lebron, Rondo, and Lance.

I think Ingram may take a month or so to adjust because his 3 ball is going to be based off catching and shooting over just putting it on the floor. It may not be natural at first. KCP struggles last year because he wasn’t used to gunning for his own shot early on and was exploring how his role had changed.

Ball is the pendulum for me. He settled some nights for the 3. Some nights he took them aggressively. Other nights he hesitated to shoot. I think we got to figure out where his middle ground is and he has to be confident enough to say I can attack the paint and look to score

Post #16 » by **dockingsched** » Tue Jul 3, 2018 8:55 pm

kblo247 wrote:
dockingsched wrote:It should be noted that Rondo made 50 3’s all year. For context, Lonzo made 90 in 52 games.

Lonzo took 145 more than him too though

The point really is that Rondo takes threes so rarely that only thing he can be considered is a non-shooter.

kblo247 · Post #17 » by **kblo247** » Tue Jul 3, 2018 9:00 pm

dockingsched wrote:
kblo247 wrote:
dockingsched wrote:It should be noted that Rondo made 50 3’s all year. For context, Lonzo made 90 in 52 games.

Lonzo took 145 more than him too though

The point really is that Rondo takes threes so rarely that only thing he can be considered is a non-shooter.

True, but that is also why I cited 3 years for a bigger sample and not just last season. He’s shot what I put for the past 3. He can take them when he wants too but if he sees something better he goes for that. I can’t count how many times I watched him lob a pass from three range to AD out of nowhere last year.

He has a set shot for three though especially from the corners when he chooses to take them even in warmups

Spanish_Laker · Post #18 » by **Spanish_Laker** » Tue Jul 3, 2018 9:05 pm

Kuzma
Hart
KCP
Ingram

4 reliable shooters, count Rondo for open 3s and Lopez if resigned.

Vae Victus · Post #19 » by **Vae Victus** » Tue Jul 3, 2018 9:15 pm

With the new additions of ball handler/creators in Rondo and Lance, as well as Ingram's own up an coming point forward skills... i've a feeling we might see less ball dominant/initiator LBJ and see him transition into more of a beast mode finisher LBJ.

LBJ focuses more on off ball movement and thus tiring himself less from having to create everything himself and just focus on easy finishes. He can still go into hero mode when needed, but over the regular season have his team try to create more and not need to rely on him to do everything like what happened in CLE.

By becoming less ball dominant it REALLY saves on the wear and tear and makes the team less dependent on him doing EVERYTHING. However its real nice to have a "break in case of emergency" option and letting Lebron go buck wild in the playoffs.

TylersLakers · Post #20 » by **TylersLakers** » Tue Jul 3, 2018 9:17 pm

I love the potential in the young guys' shooting ability, but if they're playing major minutes this season, something has gone horribly wrong. They should get to spend a lot of time in the G-League and getting spot minutes when injuries occur to play a role on the big club.

Brook Lopez has to be brought back with the way this roster is constructed. Having Wagner is good and he looks good as a shooter for a big, but I'd love him as an insurance to Brook. We can't rely on Wagner to be a rotation player right from the start.

Here's the one's I'd be looking at. Ranked.

1- Brook Lopez
2- Wayne Ellington
3- Jamal Crawford
4- Channing Frye