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Convince me why KCP should start over Kuz??

Posted: Thu Jul 5, 2018 3:27 am
by XXBKXX
Now with Bron on our team and the new additions, I see everywhere (on Twitter, message boards ) that the below should be our starting lineup:

Zo
KCP
BI
Bron
Javale (or hopefully Blopez if he resigns for a discount)

I on the other hand think KCP is a JAG (Just A Guy) and would be better to have him come off the bench as a sixth man. More importantly, to free up a starting spot for Kuz. I'd much rather see a lineup of:

Zo
BI
Bron
Kuz
Javale (Blopez)

I personally don't understand why everyone would want to make the same mistake with Kuz that we did with Randle last year. To me, we should start our best players and that includes Kuz. I constantly hear "it doesn't matter if they start, Kuz will still get his +30 mins" but that just wasn't the case last year with Randle. Fact is, if you start you get more minutes. So convince me please.. what am I missing?? Why should KCP start and move Kuz to the bench?



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Re: Convince me why KCP should start over Kuz??

Posted: Thu Jul 5, 2018 3:44 am
by Kobe System
Because Ingram is much better at SF. Bron is better playing PF. We need KCP's defense as a starter. We need Kuzma's offense off the bench.

Re: Convince me why KCP should start over Kuz??

Posted: Thu Jul 5, 2018 3:45 am
by larry14r
XXBKXX wrote:Now with Bron on our team and the new additions, I see everywhere (on Twitter, message boards ) that the below should be our starting lineup:

Zo
KCP
BI
Bron
Javale (or hopefully Blopez if he resigns for a discount)

I on the other hand think KCP is a JAG (Just A Guy) and would be better to have him come off the bench as a sixth man. More importantly, to free up a starting spot for Kuz. I'd much rather see a lineup of:

Zo
BI
Bron
Kuz
Javale (Blopez)

I personally don't understand why everyone would want to make the same mistake with Kuz that we did with Randle last year. To me, we should start our best players and that includes Kuz. I constantly hear "it doesn't matter if they start, Kuz will still get his +30 mins" but that just wasn't the case last year with Randle. Fact is, if you start you get more minutes. So convince me please.. what am I missing?? Why should KCP start and move Kuz to the bench?



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Simple because he's a SG and neither Ingram and Kuz are not any more questions.

Re: RE: Re: Convince me why KCP should start over Kuz??

Posted: Thu Jul 5, 2018 3:59 am
by XXBKXX
larry14r wrote:
XXBKXX wrote:Now with Bron on our team and the new additions, I see everywhere (on Twitter, message boards ) that the below should be our starting lineup:

Zo
KCP
BI
Bron
Javale (or hopefully Blopez if he resigns for a discount)

I on the other hand think KCP is a JAG (Just A Guy) and would be better to have him come off the bench as a sixth man. More importantly, to free up a starting spot for Kuz. I'd much rather see a lineup of:

Zo
BI
Bron
Kuz
Javale (Blopez)

I personally don't understand why everyone would want to make the same mistake with Kuz that we did with Randle last year. To me, we should start our best players and that includes Kuz. I constantly hear "it doesn't matter if they start, Kuz will still get his +30 mins" but that just wasn't the case last year with Randle. Fact is, if you start you get more minutes. So convince me please.. what am I missing?? Why should KCP start and move Kuz to the bench?



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Simple because he's a SG and neither Ingram and Kuz are not any more questions.
We are in the era of positionless basketball. This could not have been more apparent when we tried BI at PG. PG is a lot harder position to play than SG.. SG and SF are the most interchangeable positions as they're both on the wing.

I don't see anyone making the argument KCP is better than Kuz? If we didn't resign KCP, would you guys make the same argument to start Hart and keep Kuz on bench just because Hart is a SG?

We should start our best players. It took us too long to figure that out last year and cost us the playoffs imo



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Re: Convince me why KCP should start over Kuz??

Posted: Thu Jul 5, 2018 4:27 am
by Pythagoras
Well, statistically speaking, KCP was a WAY better player than Kuzma was last year.

KCP’s Net Rtg, TS%, BPM, and RPM were all better.

Now, many Lakers fans, myself included, think Kuzma probably has more untapped potential, but that’s certainly no guarantee. And that’s especially true in his case given that he was an older rookie.

Posted: Thu Jul 5, 2018 4:39 am
by mcscotty
KCP can guard the best PGs in the league. He always graciously accepts the toughest assignment in the backcourt.

Re: Convince me why KCP should start over Kuz??

Posted: Thu Jul 5, 2018 5:32 am
by Kilroy
Positionless basketball doesn't mean what people are implying here... Sure there are a lot of players that can play multiple positions now. No, we don't segregate the court like we used to...

But just because the idea of positions has changed, the fact that Basketball is a game of matchups hasn't... If your best guys are all around 6'8"... You have a matchup problem with shorter/quicker guys... So adding another 6'8" dude to the court, even if he's your most talented remaining player, is only going to make that problem worse... You need to put a guy out there that can defend the smaller guys on the other team reliably.
Which is even more apparent with Kuz because he's not a great defender, especially of smaller/quicker dudes.

KCP starts because he's a tough defender who won't force shots and won't make too many mistakes... Who knows in another year or so...

Re: RE: Re: Convince me why KCP should start over Kuz??

Posted: Thu Jul 5, 2018 5:58 am
by larry14r
XXBKXX wrote:
larry14r wrote:
XXBKXX wrote:Now with Bron on our team and the new additions, I see everywhere (on Twitter, message boards ) that the below should be our starting lineup:

Zo
KCP
BI
Bron
Javale (or hopefully Blopez if he resigns for a discount)

I on the other hand think KCP is a JAG (Just A Guy) and would be better to have him come off the bench as a sixth man. More importantly, to free up a starting spot for Kuz. I'd much rather see a lineup of:

Zo
BI
Bron
Kuz
Javale (Blopez)

I personally don't understand why everyone would want to make the same mistake with Kuz that we did with Randle last year. To me, we should start our best players and that includes Kuz. I constantly hear "it doesn't matter if they start, Kuz will still get his +30 mins" but that just wasn't the case last year with Randle. Fact is, if you start you get more minutes. So convince me please.. what am I missing?? Why should KCP start and move Kuz to the bench?



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Simple because he's a SG and neither Ingram and Kuz are not any more questions.
We are in the era of positionless basketball. This could not have been more apparent when we tried BI at PG. PG is a lot harder position to play than SG.. SG and SF are the most interchangeable positions as they're both on the wing.

I don't see anyone making the argument KCP is better than Kuz? If we didn't resign KCP, would you guys make the same argument to start Hart and keep Kuz on bench just because Hart is a SG?

We should start our best players. It took us too long to figure that out last year and cost us the playoffs imo



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Then we would have to sign for another position that we need to fill like 6th man or big

Re: Convince me why KCP should start over Kuz??

Posted: Thu Jul 5, 2018 6:45 am
by Vae Victus
Klutch Sports

Re: Convince me why KCP should start over Kuz??

Posted: Thu Jul 5, 2018 6:52 am
by LAKESHOW
Kuz is a shooter. His game iz spot up and shoot the rock. In that, he shows signs of excellence. Special talent. But... If you watch his mobility side to side, laterally. His defensive slide shows signs of needing work. I dont wanna go further than that, because hes a rook. Tons of room and time to improve. KCP on the other hand, has both offensive skill and defensive prowess as well. Reliable. He right now shows starter tendencies all around. Moreso than Kuz

Re: Convince me why KCP should start over Kuz??

Posted: Thu Jul 5, 2018 7:17 am
by SlimShady83
Because the Bum needs experience and defense in the retiremnet years.

There will be plenty of different line up changes through out the year, but I really hope come Allstar break they stick to just 1 or 2

Re: Convince me why KCP should start over Kuz??

Posted: Thu Jul 5, 2018 7:25 am
by Dr Aki
Kuzma will be the guy off the bench, heck, he may even be part of the lineup at the end of games with Ball/KCP/Ingram/LeBron/Kuzma

Re: Convince me why KCP should start over Kuz??

Posted: Thu Jul 5, 2018 7:26 am
by TyCobb
Cuz Rondo needs shooters off the bench with him.

Re: Convince me why KCP should start over Kuz??

Posted: Thu Jul 5, 2018 9:35 am
by PKABOOICU
KCP is the best defender on the team....hell, KCP is the best defender on most teams.

Re: Convince me why KCP should start over Kuz??

Posted: Thu Jul 5, 2018 10:40 am
by Rosque
Same reason Manu played off the bench all these years despite being third best player for Sours

Re: Convince me why KCP should start over Kuz??

Posted: Thu Jul 5, 2018 11:28 am
by zimpy27
He plays starter minutes off the bench

Small ball of Lonzo, KCP, Ingram, Kuzma, LeBron will get a lot of run.

Re: Convince me why KCP should start over Kuz??

Posted: Thu Jul 5, 2018 11:43 am
by kblo247
Odom, Kukoc, Cooper, Ginobili, Horry

Like those guys Kuzma won’t start but he shall finish the games as the small ball C. Hell rondo may close next to him.

It ain’t about who starts but who finishes, just ask Glen Rice about Rick Fox bruh

Kuzma is going to eat with Rondo feeding him, Hart doing dirty work, Lance being Lance, and McGee cleaning things up ... he will be their focal point

Re: Convince me why KCP should start over Kuz??

Posted: Thu Jul 5, 2018 11:43 am
by Unbiased hater
KCP should be happy that he got good deal again so he should not complain why he is on the bench

Re: Convince me why KCP should start over Kuz??

Posted: Thu Jul 5, 2018 11:48 am
by Unbiased hater
Kilroy wrote:Positionless basketball doesn't mean what people are implying here... Sure there are a lot of players that can play multiple positions now. No, we don't segregate the court like we used to...

But just because the idea of positions has changed, the fact that Basketball is a game of matchups hasn't... If your best guys are all around 6'8"... You have a matchup problem with shorter/quicker guys... So adding another 6'8" dude to the court, even if he's your most talented remaining player, is only going to make that problem worse... You need to put a guy out there that can defend the smaller guys on the other team reliably.
Which is even more apparent with Kuz because he's not a great defender, especially of smaller/quicker dudes.

KCP starts because he's a tough defender who won't force shots and won't make too many mistakes... Who knows in another year or so...

Its harder to shoot over taller guys so having tall lineup that can play small is big advantage and altough smaller guys are quickier than tall guys when you have lineup that is big opposite team has less space so it harder for them to drive to the basket.

Re: Convince me why KCP should start over Kuz??

Posted: Thu Jul 5, 2018 12:54 pm
by aliasxn
I'd much rather make room for Kuz than Ingram if it comes to that. Kuz was dropping 20/10s every other game after the ASG, I don't remember Ingram ever having a stretch of games like that.