First release of RPM and not looking good

[Slava]

The good:

LeBron, #1 among SFs, #3 overall in the league.
Josh Hart, 7th among SGs 1.17 ORPM 0.67 DRPM

Now the bad:

Lonzo Ball 33 among PGs (-0.34 OPRM -0.19 DRPM) => I can see his defensive RPM improve as the season goes along.
Brandon Ingram 78th among SFs (-2.35 ORPM -0.73 DRPM) => Doesn't seem to be a good offensive player by any metric and a very manufactured fit on the roster. I'd sell high at this point.

Now the awful:

Kyle Kuzma 87/91 among PFs -0.45 ORPM -2.1 DRPM => Clarkson Mk.2

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/position/2

If I'm the Lakers, I'm scouring the trade market for Ingram and Kuz by December.

[iamworthy]

I was going to post this, but it didn't look good so I decided against it.

[TyCobb]

Time to get serious about trading Ingram, KCP, and Kuz to NO for Davis...

[Sedale Threatt]

Brutal.

[zimpy27]

The good:

LeBron, #1 among SFs, #3 overall in the league.
Josh Hart, 7th among SGs 1.17 ORPM 0.67 DRPM

Now the bad:

Lonzo Ball 33 among PGs (-0.34 OPRM -0.19 DRPM) => I can see his defensive RPM improve as the season goes along.
Brandon Ingram 78th among SFs (-2.35 ORPM -0.73 DRPM) => Doesn't seem to be a good offensive player by any metric and a very manufactured fit on the roster. I'd sell high at this point.

Now the awful:

Kyle Kuzma 87/91 among PFs -0.45 ORPM -2.1 DRPM => Clarkson Mk.2

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/position/2

If I'm the Lakers, I'm scouring the trade market for Ingram and Kuz by December.

I'd say Ingram is the awful he's ranked 410th overall, Kuzma is ranked 387th.

But yeah, it looks grim

Lonzo has been the best young prospect overall and least likely to get traded IMO. He works well with LeBron and fits really well with a team set to have multiple star wings, you couldn't ask for much more than a pass-first PG that tries to win games without putting it in the basket.

Hart is a surprise for me, I thought he had been worse than Lonzo.

[iamworthy]

Time to get serious about trading Ingram, KCP, and Kuz to NO for Davis...

Pelican management can read these stats just as we can. They're not even picking up the phone with an offer like that.

[Sedale Threatt]

Time to get serious about trading Ingram, KCP, and Kuz to NO for Davis...

Pelican management can read these stats just as we can. They're not even picking up the phone with an offer like that.

No kidding ... if I was in their shoes, I'd rather let him walk for nothing than trade him for a pu-pu platter like that.

Just so disappointing, especially Brandon. Year 3 and he's regressing.

[TyCobb]

Time to get serious about trading Ingram, KCP, and Kuz to NO for Davis...

Pelican management can read these stats just as we can. They're not even picking up the phone with an offer like that.

They have time to develop these guys out of the spotlight. They're not trash forever.

[Sedale Threatt]

Time to get serious about trading Ingram, KCP, and Kuz to NO for Davis...

Pelican management can read these stats just as we can. They're not even picking up the phone with an offer like that.

They have time to develop these guys out of the spotlight. They're not trash forever.

Are we sure about that?

[TyCobb]

Pelican management can read these stats just as we can. They're not even picking up the phone with an offer like that.

They have time to develop these guys out of the spotlight. They're not trash forever.

Are we sure about that?

Yeah. It doesn't matter though. Our best bet is to finish this season out and sign a FA then make some trades.

[dockingsched]

Ingram is the only one eligible for an extension next year. His status on the team has to be in question.

[TylersLakers]

Good lord. And you can't be patient forever. The trade value rarely gets any better as time goes on.

These guys have got to find a role and ways to be successful. It's on Luke and the coaching staff as well to help that process. I don't think that's doing these young guys any favors either.

[Pythagoras]

Yeah, Ingram and Kuzma have been spectacularly disappointing this year. Kuzma for his D. Ingram for his O.

You can’t waste LeBron while he’s still this godlike. Time to ponder trading one of, if not both of guys. Realistic trade though. Maybe trade for a guy like Bradley Beal or something.

[kblo247]

Good lord. And you can't be patient forever. The trade value rarely gets any better as time goes on.

These guys have got to find a role and ways to be successful. It's on Luke and the coaching staff as well to help that process. I don't think that's doing these young guys any favors either.

Can't really blame Luke for Ingram not becoming as a scorer. Fun fact Ingram has only scored 26 points or higher one time since high school. Luke can't fix that, a scorer who can't score.

I mean you can argue that Hart and Kuz can be taught or hid at least. HArt could shed weight or he could be hidden at pf. Kuz can be taught how to recover or contest shots like he has blocked or deflected a few this season.

You can't make Ball learn how to shoot when he is either hitting directly or airballing it. You can't force Ingram to be a 20 plus point guy when he hasn't scored much since high school. And at the same time you can argue that this team not having a Tex Winters to improve players or Hodges to teach proper free throw shooting is on Luke/FO.

[john248]

Ingram has looked good in line-ups without Lebron. He becomes an observer when paired with Lebron. But LeBron is here to stay for the next several years, so Ingram either needs to learn to play with him or be shipped out as he still has good value.

I'm not down on Kuzma's negative plus/minus. He was logging minutes at center which happens to be the worst defensive line up the Lakers have until Chandler came on board. In this case, you can't just post a stat and proclaim a dude sucks without context.

[Ball so hard]

There's no way we aren't one of the worse teams in the league at developing young players. It may be time to shake up the coaching staff. Not one of our young players were developed or is developing well... not one of them, DLO, Zubac, Randle, Ingram, lonzo, etc.

[Ball so hard]

The good:

LeBron, #1 among SFs, #3 overall in the league.
Josh Hart, 7th among SGs 1.17 ORPM 0.67 DRPM

Now the bad:

Lonzo Ball 33 among PGs (-0.34 OPRM -0.19 DRPM) => I can see his defensive RPM improve as the season goes along.
Brandon Ingram 78th among SFs (-2.35 ORPM -0.73 DRPM) => Doesn't seem to be a good offensive player by any metric and a very manufactured fit on the roster. I'd sell high at this point.

Now the awful:

Kyle Kuzma 87/91 among PFs -0.45 ORPM -2.1 DRPM => Clarkson Mk.2

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/position/2

If I'm the Lakers, I'm scouring the trade market for Ingram and Kuz by December.

I'd say Ingram is the awful he's ranked 410th overall, Kuzma is ranked 387th.

But yeah, it looks grim

Lonzo has been the best young prospect overall and least likely to get traded IMO. He works well with LeBron and fits really well with a team set to have multiple star wings, you couldn't ask for much more than a pass-first PG that tries to win games without putting it in the basket.

Hart is a surprise for me, I thought he had been worse than Lonzo.

Ingram is definitely far worse, especially when you consider the fact he was the 2nd overall pick as well as where he is in the pecking order. It is expected to be our second best player.

[Ball so hard]

Ingram has looked good in line-ups without Lebron. He becomes an observer when paired with Lebron. But LeBron is here to stay for the next several years, so Ingram either needs to learn to play with him or be shipped out as he still has good value.

I'm not down on Kuzma's negative plus/minus. He was logging minutes at center which happens to be the worst defensive line up the Lakers have until Chandler came on board. In this case, you can't just post a stat and proclaim a dude sucks without context.

Yea, never quite understood Kuz at center at all. That alone should put you on ground to be relieved of your coaching duties. You simply don't put a below average 2nd year player to anchor a defense.

[Pythagoras]

Ingram has looked good in line-ups without Lebron. He becomes an observer when paired with Lebron. But LeBron is here to stay for the next several years, so Ingram either needs to learn to play with him or be shipped out as he still has good value.

I'm not down on Kuzma's negative plus/minus. He was logging minutes at center which happens to be the worst defensive line up the Lakers have until Chandler came on board. In this case, you can't just post a stat and proclaim a dude sucks without context.

Ingram is still not taking nearly enough three point shots, his FTR is down, and his FG% in the 0 - 3 ft range is down. His offensive problems aren’t insurmountable, but you wonder how long you can wait for him to become more consistent offensively.

[evilpimp972]

If only someone could teach Ingram to shoot more threes man