The New Lakers

thomas1897 · Post #1 » by **thomas1897** » Sun Nov 25, 2018 4:46 pm

The Lakers have a good team but how good. Can this team compete with the NBA elite in the playoffs? The answer is I do not know but this team can play when all of the team is in step with their roles and playing the system the coach has implement. So the answer is team chemistry is there yet; my opinion is this team is on the way. More has to come from the young core players to play better to develop the mental and fundamental mechanics of NBA basketball at the elite level of where champions play. This concept is dependent on time playing and learning together also knowing how to win close games and close out games.

Showtime:Part2 · Post #2 » by **Showtime:Part2** » Sun Nov 25, 2018 4:57 pm

Would love to know what system luke has in place on offense or defense bc I don’t see it

Laker_Kid · Post #3 » by **Laker_Kid** » Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:23 pm

at FULL potential, this team as currently constructed has WCF potential. but we just aint there yet. far from it.

Landsberger · Post #4 » by **Landsberger** » Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:47 pm

To get to the next level I'm afraid its coaching. Right now we're still tinkering with lineups on a nightly basis and the best we can come up with for an offense is a double isolation with our forwards. Defensively we show no preparation or consistency. Then theres the inconsistent treatment of some of the players. A couple guys can play like crap and their minutes increase while others make one mistake and see their role change significantly.

Luke drove the Limo for a few months in GS and thats about it with a playoff ready team. He just kept the momentum of Kerr's leadership going.... I'm not seeing much in the way of advanced coaching... or even basic coaching from him right now. We're winning because of LeBron right now.

Landsberger · Post #5 » by **Landsberger** » Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:40 pm

22 turnovers for Ingram and Bron (11 each) in the last 2 games. Most of these in the first and fourth quarters when we are forcing him into isolation play. We won the Utah game but the TO's killed us against Orlando.

We are also seeing a trend of having issues with bigs who can shoot, play in the paint and pass.

Quick guards seem to feast on us as well.

Some gaps in the team as currently constructed for sure. The whole chasing Max Slot guys is going to put this roster in constant turmoil for another year or so. Hopefully we can get a balanced group in here while Bron still has some prime left.

Post #6 » by **Danny Darko** » Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:44 pm

Landsberger wrote:22 turnovers for Ingram and Bron (11 each) in the last 2 games. Most of these in the first and fourth quarters when we are forcing him into isolation play. We won the Utah game but the TO's killed us against Orlando.

We are also seeing a trend of having issues with bigs who can shoot, play in the paint and pass.

Quick guards seem to feast on us as well.

Some gaps in the team as currently constructed for sure. The whole chasing Max Slot guys is going to put this roster in constant turmoil for another year or so. Hopefully we can get a balanced group in here while Bron still has some prime left.

We need more Ball as the primary ball handler for sure to counter that crap.

Sedale Threatt · Post #7 » by **Sedale Threatt** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:00 am

Coaching could very well be the issue -- look what a difference it's made for the Bucks, or even us way back when we dumped Delicate Harris for Phil -- but I'm going to get down on our young core way before I get down on Walton. None of them have improved at all, and in at least Ingram's case, he's taken a big step back.

Landsberger · Post #8 » by **Landsberger** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:18 am

Danny Darko wrote:
Landsberger wrote:22 turnovers for Ingram and Bron (11 each) in the last 2 games. Most of these in the first and fourth quarters when we are forcing him into isolation play. We won the Utah game but the TO's killed us against Orlando.

We are also seeing a trend of having issues with bigs who can shoot, play in the paint and pass.

Quick guards seem to feast on us as well.

Some gaps in the team as currently constructed for sure. The whole chasing Max Slot guys is going to put this roster in constant turmoil for another year or so. Hopefully we can get a balanced group in here while Bron still has some prime left.

We need more Ball as the primary ball handler for sure to counter that crap.

This and I think not having Rondo is also an issue. The big issue for Ball is playing off the ball late. He's been better recently at getting to the hoop but I'd like to see a motion based offense where all of our 4 scoring options gets a crack at having the ball down the stretch.

stan francisco · Post #9 » by **stan francisco** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:08 am

Rondo is one of the best veteran PGs in the entire league. He’s sorely missed but it’s a good learning process for the kids to try without him and then see what he really does when he comes back.

We’re missing our floor-coach a best half court playmaking general.

stan francisco · Post #10 » by **stan francisco** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:09 am

New rule, half court offense: Lonzo must touch the ball at least twice every possession.

AGAVE · Post #11 » by **AGAVE** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:31 am

Its all a learning curve for sure.
Too many new players to be expected to gel so soon; along with a system they are all learning.

2 scenarios stand out for me :
Opponents transition to defense,
and
1/2 court defense for us.

Too often do I see us get beat down the court as we bring the ball across midway.
Opponents set up so quickly and are far better prepared for the player with the ball.

On the other side of this,
With the opposing teams running,
We don't seem to get set up for these teams/players pushing it.

I wouldn't mind seeing them force the full 10 seconds as the other team brings the ball to mid-court

Spanish_Laker · Post #12 » by **Spanish_Laker** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:39 am

Rob and Magic decision to bring so many playmakers was totally wrong. This team would be much better off with just 3&D players. Lonzo, LeBron, Ingram, Stephenson, Rondo...Too many playmakers and just a few shooters.

Ugly0598 · Post #13 » by **Ugly0598** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:52 am

1st or 2nd round exit. Ingram is not a good fit on this team & hasn't found a groove. Rondo is obsolete with Ball, KCP has been garbage most of the time, Beasley has barely played (didn't really suit a huge need anyway).

Spanish_Laker · Post #14 » by **Spanish_Laker** » Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:27 pm

UtahJazzFan88 wrote:1st or 2nd round exit. Ingram is not a good fit on this team & hasn't found a groove. Rondo is obsolete with Ball, KCP has been garbage most of the time, Beasley has barely played (didn't really suit a huge need anyway).

Most of us would really beg for a 2nd round exit, that would be a huge success given how poorly this roster is constructed.

Slink · Post #15 » by **Slink** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:53 am

Spanish_Laker wrote:Rob and Magic decision to bring so many playmakers was totally wrong. This team would be much better off with just 3&D players. Lonzo, LeBron, Ingram, Stephenson, Rondo...Too many playmakers and just a few shooters.

It wasn't Magic's or Rob's decision, it was LeBron's decision.

mighty_duck · Post #16 » by **mighty_duck** » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:43 pm

Showtime:Part2 wrote:Would love to know what system luke has in place on offense or defense bc I don’t see it

Since Chandler's signing, the Lakers are ranked 6th in defensive rating (We were 24th before that signing...). I'd say our problem is not on that side of the court.
https://stats.nba.com/teams/advanced/?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&LastNGames=9

Ball so hard · Post #17 » by **Ball so hard** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:04 am

Landsberger wrote:To get to the next level I'm afraid its coaching. Right now we're still tinkering with lineups on a nightly basis and the best we can come up with for an offense is a double isolation with our forwards. Defensively we show no preparation or consistency. Then theres the inconsistent treatment of some of the players. A couple guys can play like crap and their minutes increase while others make one mistake and see their role change significantly.

Luke drove the Limo for a few months in GS and thats about it with a playoff ready team. He just kept the momentum of Kerr's leadership going.... I'm not seeing much in the way of advanced coaching... or even basic coaching from him right now. We're winning because of LeBron right now.

Agree for the most part. You and I are easily the most critical of Luke here. At present, I think he's an average coach at best. However, I dont think he's entirely to be blamed for our shortcomings. Our team, as constructed, is very flawed. One can usually predict the outcome with good accuracy whenever there's a flawed team, coupled with a mediocre coach - youre likely to be stuck in mediocrity.

There are so many issues with this team.

Like you mentioned, Lebron is easily the reason we aren't as bad as we were last year.

Landsberger · Post #18 » by **Landsberger** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:22 am

Ball so hard wrote:
Landsberger wrote:To get to the next level I'm afraid its coaching. Right now we're still tinkering with lineups on a nightly basis and the best we can come up with for an offense is a double isolation with our forwards. Defensively we show no preparation or consistency. Then theres the inconsistent treatment of some of the players. A couple guys can play like crap and their minutes increase while others make one mistake and see their role change significantly.

Luke drove the Limo for a few months in GS and thats about it with a playoff ready team. He just kept the momentum of Kerr's leadership going.... I'm not seeing much in the way of advanced coaching... or even basic coaching from him right now. We're winning because of LeBron right now.

Agree for the most part. You and I are easily the most critical of Luke here. At present, I think he's an average coach at best. However, I dont think he's entirely to be blamed for our shortcomings. Our team, as constructed, is very flawed. One can usually predict the outcome with good accuracy whenever there's a flawed team, coupled with a mediocre coach - youre likely to be stuck in mediocrity.

There are so many issues with this team.

Like you mentioned, Lebron is easily the reason we aren't as bad as we were last year.

Luke as a perfect coach for a developing team. Now it's time to win. Problem is that he's coaching the same way.

The defensive strategy has been the biggest issue with me. Either our team is a bunch of blithering idiots or defense isn't being emphasized.... or maybe not strategized. The team defense aspect of the game is a coaching issue as much as it's an execution issue.

Post #19 » by **Kilroy** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:29 am

This is still clearly a team in a holding pattern... The 'New Lakers' aren't really meaningful at this point... We were built entirely around the premise that we'd not be terribly good right now, until we got a second superstar (at least) and then we'd make our legit push...
That said, we're still on track to be a legit playoff team.

A coaching change now, before we built a legit team, would be beyond silly... Get your Anthony Davis or Kawhi's or whatever first, see what you have on the court, then go find the right coach if Luke isn't the right one.

We're not done rebuilding yet...

Post #20 » by **Kilroy** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:44 pm

Showtime:Part2 wrote:Would love to know what system luke has in place on offense or defense bc I don’t see it

I don't get this criticism either... What clear 'system' does any team in the NBA run?

The triangle is basically long gone in the modern era... Everyone else is simply trying to maximize the talent they have... GSW is a phenomenal 3pt shooting team, so they run down the court and shoot 3s... Now they have KD so they mix in a little Iso ball too if the 3s aren't working...

Pop focuses on D and fundamentals, but modifies his actual offensive schemes for the talent he has...

We're basically playing LeBron ball right now... Which makes sense because he's our best player and represents the lion's-share of our talent... How can you do more with the inconsistency we get from our 2nd, 3rd, and 4rth best players?

Luke's trying to do sort of a 2-headed snake approach with Ingram and LeBron facilitating/attacking in the half court... But Ingram isn't polished or strong enough yet to consistently break guys down and dish...
That's actually the second option though... First is Ball or LeBron running the break and Ingram/Kuz finishing or hitting jumpers...
But our D isn't there yet to get out in transition consistently, Ball, Ingram and Kuz aren't consistent in their roles in the running offense either...

So that's the 'system'... It's ugly because the players the FO have given the coaching staff are 'POTENTIAL' Stars or superstars... Not current stars/superstars...

Luke is just trying to find the right combos that maximize the talent he has and minimizes the impact of their inconsistencies.