The non-max FA angle

Post #1 » by **zimpy27** » Sat Feb 9, 2019 6:46 pm

There are a lot of good unrestricted FA available next season. These guys are all top 10 in RPM for their positions.

PG - Bledsoe
SG - Danny Green, JJ Redick
SF - Rudy Gay
PF - Millsap, Thad Young
C - Marc Gasol, Pau Gasol

For example, Lakers cap could get Bledsoe, Green, M Gasol, P Gasol

Bledsoe, Green, LeBron, Kuzma, M Gasol
Lonzo, Hart, Ingram, Wagner, P Gasol

I know Magic promised another max FA but I think a well-rounded team like this would be more potent.

Landsberger · Post #2 » by **Landsberger** » Sat Feb 9, 2019 6:54 pm

It's obvious to anyone watching that we are not going to either trade or sign anyone other than a top star unless it's after we strike out. This deadline was proof of that for me. Vuc and Beal were gettable and yet we offered everyone on the team not named LeBron and picks for one guy.

I'm in agreement that a balanced team beats a team of a couple top stars and min signings but for some reason all we want are marketable stars. That itself says something about what's important to ownership doesn't it?

Post #3 » by **zimpy27** » Sat Feb 9, 2019 7:12 pm

Landsberger wrote:It's obvious to anyone watching that we are not going to either trade or sign anyone other than a top star unless it's after we strike out. This deadline was proof of that for me. Vuc and Beal were gettable and yet we offered everyone on the team not named LeBron and picks for one guy.

I'm in agreement that a balanced team beats a team of a couple top stars and min signings but for some reason all we want are marketable stars. That itself says something about what's important to ownership doesn't it?

Yeah it's true, it's unlikely management does this. And yes you'd have to go and target these individuals early. I think they will be resigned by the teams they are at or another savvy team GM (probably West).

Hopefully they see the Gasol brothers as marketable to the LA market.

danfantastk32 · Post #4 » by **danfantastk32** » Sat Feb 9, 2019 7:20 pm

Show me the team without top stars that wins? You could argue the Mavs. Then you've got that Detroit in 04.

It happens once a decade, where a team like those just catch FIRE. The Mavs shot like 150%, and Detroit just clicked while the Lakers did the opposite.

I'm not saying we need a 3-headed monster. I do think some depth is def necessary. But 2-3 headed monsters tend to attract the gasols for vets min. Why waste our cap$$ on guys like that? Those are the guys you pick up practically for free, once you have the stallions.

You get AD and someone like Kyrie....and guys like Marc, and Ariza and Tyson Chandler, and Rudy Gay will come and play for the min.

9 out of 10....those are the teams that win.

danfantastk32 · Post #5 » by **danfantastk32** » Sat Feb 9, 2019 7:24 pm

zimpy27 wrote:Yeah it's true, it's unlikely management does this. And yes you'd have to go and target these individuals early. I think they will be resigned by the teams they are at or another savvy team GM (probably West).

Most of West's teams are pretty star-laden. I don't remember West building teams around a pile of 6 or 7's. He got a few 9's and 10's and filled out around them.

Landsberger · Post #6 » by **Landsberger** » Sat Feb 9, 2019 9:04 pm

danfantastk32 wrote:Show me the team without top stars that wins?

We have Bron. Isn't he a top star? The idea that we need a big 3 is not a good one. Kobe led Pau and Odom to a couple titles. Both those guys were not "stars" when we got them. They were both considered underachievers.

Penberthy · Post #7 » by **Penberthy** » Sat Feb 9, 2019 10:21 pm

Who on this team is the equivalent of Pau, Odom, or even Bynum?

loveshaq786 · Post #8 » by **loveshaq786** » Sat Feb 9, 2019 11:19 pm

zimpy27 wrote:There are a lot of good unrestricted FA available next season. These guys are all top 10 in RPM for their positions.

PG - Bledsoe
SG - Danny Green, JJ Redick
SF - Rudy Gay
PF - Millsap, Thad Young
C - Marc Gasol, Pau Gasol

For example, Lakers cap could get Bledsoe, Green, M Gasol, P Gasol

Bledsoe, Green, LeBron, Kuzma, M Gasol
Lonzo, Hart, Ingram, Wagner, P Gasol

I know Magic promised another max FA but I think a well-rounded team like this would be more potent.

Danny green was part is a championship, ...I'm also Down for bledsoe and Rudy gay

Dr Aki · Post #9 » by **Dr Aki** » Sat Feb 9, 2019 11:24 pm

non-max FAs?

that's what the MLE/BAEs are for

Penberthy · Post #10 » by **Penberthy** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:12 am

zimpy27 wrote:There are a lot of good unrestricted FA available next season. These guys are all top 10 in RPM for their positions.

PG - Bledsoe
SG - Danny Green, JJ Redick
SF - Rudy Gay
PF - Millsap, Thad Young
C - Marc Gasol, Pau Gasol

For example, Lakers cap could get Bledsoe, Green, M Gasol, P Gasol

Bledsoe, Green, LeBron, Kuzma, M Gasol
Lonzo, Hart, Ingram, Wagner, P Gasol

I know Magic promised another max FA but I think a well-rounded team like this would be more potent.

Love this. 60+ wins.

Landsberger · Post #11 » by **Landsberger** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:21 am

Penberthy wrote:Who on this team is the equivalent of Pau, Odom, or even Bynum?

If Pau and Odom hadn't played with Kobe and won they would not be put in a sentence like this. Ingram and Kuz could clearly be as valuable as those 2 given a couple playoff runs.

What we need is a scoring threat at the 2 and bring Ingram off the bench in the Odom role. Give me Beal and a physical 5 that can rebound and set screens (a 5 year younger version of Chandler).

Post #12 » by **Danny Darko** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:21 am

We are already deep for cheaper rookie contracts.

We should really do everything we possibly can to get a Klay, Kawhi, KD type.

That being said a Marc, Pau 5 & 4 combo would be cool go see on some level.

danfantastk32 · Post #13 » by **danfantastk32** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:52 am

Landsberger wrote:
danfantastk32 wrote:Show me the team without top stars that wins?

We have Bron. Isn't he a top star? The idea that we need a big 3 is not a good one. Kobe led Pau and Odom to a couple titles. Both those guys were not "stars" when we got them. They were both considered underachievers.

Yeah....1 star. You know that, I know that. Let's not argue over what we both know: 1 star doesn't get it done in the league these days.

Landsberger · Post #14 » by **Landsberger** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:00 pm

danfantastk32 wrote:
Landsberger wrote:
danfantastk32 wrote:Show me the team without top stars that wins?

We have Bron. Isn't he a top star? The idea that we need a big 3 is not a good one. Kobe led Pau and Odom to a couple titles. Both those guys were not "stars" when we got them. They were both considered underachievers.

Yeah....1 star. You know that, I know that. Let's not argue over what we both know: 1 star doesn't get it done in the league these days.

When GS won their first one in this string did they have an established multiple star line up..... or did their winning create those stars? Think it through before you answer.

Anyway there are maybe 2 or 3 guys in the league who can push a team through to a championship based on having all 3 of talent, leadership and experience. We have one of them a second is not available IMHO (no.... I don't consider Davis one of those guys).

danfantastk32 · Post #15 » by **danfantastk32** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:59 pm

Landsberger wrote:When GS won their first one in this string did they have an established multiple star line up..... or did their winning create those stars? Think it through before you answer.

Anyway there are maybe 2 or 3 guys in the league who can push a team through to a championship based on having all 3 of talent, leadership and experience. We have one of them a second is not available IMHO (no.... I don't consider Davis one of those guys).

GS players were def stars. Stars and rising. Prob weren't "established"....but we're not really talking about fan recognition here, are we? When we're talking "star" we're talking about WHY they are stars, ie: the best players in the game. If you know of a player in the AD, Durant, Kawhi talent level that nobody knows about....I'll certainly go for him. Popularity isn't what anyone means by stars.

That GS hadn't been doing it for very long, doesn't mean they didn't have the talent, and so the 'established' part came a year later. Let's not get hung up on semantics. GS had the goods.

To your last point, I agree that AD does not have what Lebron has. Hell....If Lebron isn't the GOAT, he prob will be, or at the very least will be a finalist for it. People who have him out of the top-5 all time are just kidding themselves. But since we have Lebron, AD doesn't have to have all that. AD will be 26 in a few weeks. Long career ahead of him. A couple years under Lebron will prob do the guy alot of good, and he could prob carry this franchise well afterwards for an additional 5-years or so. Will the Gasols, the Rudy Gays, the Beverly's or Reddicks?? Hell no. They will get plugged in here or there, and contribute.

I'm not saying we need 3 top guys. If we get 2 and then plug in a couple mid-level guy for "depth", that may work. But that def should not be our focus, or priority. Because if we get 3 top guys, those plug-in pieces will come a calling. That should be plan A.

I'm not completely sold on our young guys anymore. But if we were to get a 2nd top guy, and keep our crew, I'd be down for that.

Landsberger · Post #16 » by **Landsberger** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:11 pm

danfantastk32 wrote:
Landsberger wrote:When GS won their first one in this string did they have an established multiple star line up..... or did their winning create those stars? Think it through before you answer.

Anyway there are maybe 2 or 3 guys in the league who can push a team through to a championship based on having all 3 of talent, leadership and experience. We have one of them a second is not available IMHO (no.... I don't consider Davis one of those guys).

GS players were def stars. Stars and rising. Prob weren't "established"....but we're not really talking about fan recognition here, are we? When we're talking "star" we're talking about WHY they are stars, ie: the best players in the game. If you know of a player in the AD, Durant, Kawhi talent level that nobody knows about....I'll certainly go for him. Popularity isn't what anyone means by stars.

That GS hadn't been doing it for very long, doesn't mean they didn't have the talent, and so the 'established' part came a year later. Let's not get hung up on semantics. GS had the goods.

To your last point, I agree that AD does not have what Lebron has. Hell....If Lebron isn't the GOAT, he prob will be, or at the very least will be a finalist for it. People who have him out of the top-5 all time are just kidding themselves. But since we have Lebron, AD doesn't have to have all that. AD will be 26 in a few weeks. Long career ahead of him. A couple years under Lebron will prob do the guy alot of good, and he could prob carry this franchise well afterwards for an additional 5-years or so. Will the Gasols, the Rudy Gays, the Beverly's or Reddicks?? Hell no. They will get plugged in here or there, and contribute.

I'm not saying we need 3 top guys. If we get 2 and then plug in a couple mid-level guy for "depth", that may work. But that def should not be our focus, or priority. Because if we get 3 top guys, those plug-in pieces will come a calling. That should be plan A.

I'm not completely sold on our young guys anymore. But if we were to get a 2nd top guy, and keep our crew, I'd be down for that.

Curry was a 3 point shooting machine but the team had not had any success with it. Similarly with Klay. Green wasn't known to anyone when they won the first one. KD was added after they started winning. Curry went from a very good PG to MVP when they started winning. KD was a collected star.... as is Cousins (putting them in the same conversation is a huge generalization).

As for our young guys and LeBron. Right now we have a good combo with LeBron, Kuzma and Rondo. Ingram is somewhat redundant with LeBron in the starting lineup and we will need someone who can be physical and rebound at the 5. To me, a guy like Beal at the 2 and Ingram as a 6th man would be a huge jump for our team.

danfantastk32 · Post #17 » by **danfantastk32** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:45 pm

Landsberger wrote:Right now we have a good combo with LeBron, Kuzma and Rondo. Ingram is somewhat redundant with LeBron in the starting lineup and we will need someone who can be physical and rebound at the 5. To me, a guy like Beal at the 2 and Ingram as a 6th man would be a huge jump for our team.

Well, we'll see if we land anyone this offseason. I think Magic took that AD trade too far, and we should offer a combo of 2 players (Ball, Kuz, Ingram) and a first round pick. If it takes an additional 2nd-rounder to make it work, then fine.

If we were able to do a S&T for a stud to goto NO....would anyone want to go there? Just throwing out names here...but let's say we sign E-Bledsoe , or I-Thomas to a deal (assuming of course that this was someone NO would like) and then threw in Ingram, and a first-rounder? If we could pull something like that off, I'd be ecstatic.

Post #18 » by **TyCobb** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:04 pm

Andre Iguodala was an important part of allowing Curry, Thompson, and Draymond to become what they became. However, if you can get a max player who can shoot like KD, then you do it.

MAMBAEMD · Post #19 » by **MAMBAEMD** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:53 pm

If we don’t get KD, Kawhi, or Klay, I’d give one year deals to Danny Green or Rudy Gay.

Pythagoras · Post #20 » by **Pythagoras** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:50 am

Well, I’d be all for adding high level 2nd and 3rd tier FAs because I think those guys can be key cogs on a championship team as well...

However, I’m kind of surprised to see so many people consider Klay a max FA but not Kemba. I think Kemba’s impact on games is every bit equal to Klay’s, and I think we should be able to easily poach Kemba.

Another thing I’ve been wondering. Reportedly, Kawhi is leery of coming to the Lakers cause he wants his own team and doesn’t want to be Lebron’s sidekick. Maybe LeBron should sell himself as the 1B option this offseason and our FO should sell Kawhi it’ll be his team. Based off what I’ve seen this year I think LeBron is ready to step back into a 1B role to Kawhi’s 1A.