zimpy27 wrote: Pythagoras wrote:
It's based on the entire last 2 seasons. Not just small sections.
It's consistent for all players, he dragged them all down compared to every other one of their teammates.
These stats are pretty strong. You can't really undermine them.
I still think it's worth giving him a shot but it should be monitored.
Your research was not only on point it was overly generous to Rondo.
Going all the way back to 2014
The Mavericks top 20 2-man rotations for min played, Rondo holds the only 3 net negative ratings on that list:
With Chandler -3.2
With Ellis -2.8
With Parsons -1.7
The next year with the Kings:
Rondo occupies the worst spot, then 6th and 7th worst spots on their top 20 2-man for mins, and they’re all negative:With Belinelli -9.5
With Cayley-Stein -4.0With Collison -3.6
The next year with the Bulls:
On their top 20, Rondo has second and fourth worst spots:With Wade -5.6
With Gibson -2.4
Next year with Pelicans, Rondo holds down the worst spot:
With Cousins: -7.3
Last year with Lakers:
Worst and 5th worst slots:
With KCP -10.0
With Kuzma -6.3
Rondo’s overall on-off those years?
There’s ample evidence that Rondo hasn’t been a positive contributor to winning since the Celtics big 3 broke up. I don’t know that there’s any other player in the league living more off reputation than him right now. He’s a bad basketball player.
Nice research, yeah it's been a long time since he was himself, I would say since he did that ACL injury in 2012-13. He never got his impact back. He's still a smart guy and worthwhile having on the bench.
Yes, I appreciate the research too and yes Rondo indeed wasn't good in most advanced stats too esp defense but I just have to wonder why he just mentioned ONE player with the Pelicans, Demarcus Cousins, what about AD, Jrue, Mirotic? He mentioned Bellinelli who played 24 mins, what about other players like Gay, Casspi?
It would make sense too that he won't work well with other ball dominant players like Wade and Collison and I also read from Haberstroh that he has the worst combo stats +/- with Lebron.
Still, I can't ignore what he did with the Pelicans,esp when he helped them sweep the favored Blazers with his 13 assiss, 7.5 rebs/game. He leaves, they get Randle and the team struggles and just win 33 games actually got worst in ORTG and DRTG FROM 14th to 23rd.
2 years ago, Rondo ranked 38th in DRPM ahead of Kemba, Lillard, Hill, Augustin, Dunn etc, his ORPM, ranked 47 ahead of Beverley, Lavine, Rose, Parker etc.
Again I don't like Rondo to play heavy minutes esp next to Lebron but I just want to keep an eye on what he can do with the bench.
There was a female reporter at the ESPY's who questioned Rondo's motivation to play, stating that his shoe endorsement is forcing him to play so he can paid a lot of money.