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zimpy27 wrote:I thought I'd try to speculate the ideal lineup for both LeBron and AD individually and it turns out that the Lakers did a very good job for both:



Ideal team to build around Anthony Davis
2nd superstar that can be prime ball handler and make plays.
Ideal - LeBron/Harden/Curry/Lillard/Westbrook/Irving
The C that ideal for Davis is actually a defensive C and offensive rebounder, the Pelicans never made the most of ADs defensive talents, to bring these out you need a defensive under the basket C so that AD can help defend and cover the midrange area. Now that AD is developing playmaking and a perimeter game, the C should be able to make putbacks, boards and alley-oops.
Ideal - Gobert/Nurkic/Noel/Ed Davis/ Howard(from 2 years ago)
A 3+D wing to shoot 3s and defend opponents best or second-best player.
Ideal - Klay/Porter/Covington/Green
A 3 and D Guard with playmaking skills to work with AD when 2nd superstar is on the bench
Ideal - CP3/Bledsoe/Lowry/Conley/White


It is interesting how similarly suited the needs for LeBron and Davis were. Green and Howard are good fits for both AD and LeBron, but Green and Howard both need to be as good as they have been even though they are older. Caruso works with LeBron but needs more playmaking skills to be Ideal for AD.

I would say the team currently suits LeBron better but only because Lakers don't have a 3+D PG that can lead an offense when LeBron sits.

THis was my speculation, do you think this team suits LeBron or AD better?

tamaraw08 wrote:

zimpy27 wrote:I thought I'd try to speculate the ideal lineup for both LeBron and AD individually and it turns out that the Lakers did a very good job for both:



Ideal team to build around Anthony Davis
2nd superstar that can be prime ball handler and make plays.
Ideal - LeBron/Harden/Curry/Lillard/Westbrook/Irving
The C that ideal for Davis is actually a defensive C and offensive rebounder, the Pelicans never made the most of ADs defensive talents, to bring these out you need a defensive under the basket C so that AD can help defend and cover the midrange area. Now that AD is developing playmaking and a perimeter game, the C should be able to make putbacks, boards and alley-oops.
Ideal - Gobert/Nurkic/Noel/Ed Davis/ Howard(from 2 years ago)
A 3+D wing to shoot 3s and defend opponents best or second-best player.
Ideal - Klay/Porter/Covington/Green
A 3 and D Guard with playmaking skills to work with AD when 2nd superstar is on the bench
Ideal - CP3/Bledsoe/Lowry/Conley/White


It is interesting how similarly suited the needs for LeBron and Davis were. Green and Howard are good fits for both AD and LeBron, but Green and Howard both need to be as good as they have been even though they are older. Caruso works with LeBron but needs more playmaking skills to be Ideal for AD.

I would say the team currently suits LeBron better but only because Lakers don't have a 3+D PG that can lead an offense when LeBron sits.

THis was my speculation, do you think this team suits LeBron or AD better?

I think Pat Beverley would have been a PERFECT PG for Both.
but based on 2 years, AD has been most productive next to a shooting big like Mirotic.
Last year-+6.5 pts with a 2 man combo with Nikola, add Holiday (replaced by Lebron playing D) +10.4 pts, Add Moore (replaced by Green)+12
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/davisan02/lineups/2018
2 years ago, with Just Mirotic, playoffs, + 3.1pts, regular- +11.5, Add Holiday +9.3, add with Moore and Rondo- +22.8pts,
a 4-man combo of AD, Mirotic, Holiday and Moore yielded a +6.2 pts,
I was hoping Kuzma's improved stroke that he can somewhat mimic Mirotic on offense but the problem too is that Nikola is 6-10 250 lbs while Kyle in a smaller 6-9 and only listed at 220 lbs. If he can add 15 lbs of pure muscle on his arms, shoulders and thighs, he would not be overmatched inside. AD made it clear he wants to preserve his body and not bang with bigs. Spacing is also very important bec he cuts from the outside and get those alley-oops and it'll be hard with Dwight clogging the middle

Landsberger wrote:I'd say they "built" a team out of what was available..... had they had a clean slate I'm not sure a lot of these guys would be here quite frankly.

zimpy27 wrote:

Landsberger wrote:I'd say they "built" a team out of what was available..... had they had a clean slate I'm not sure a lot of these guys would be here quite frankly.

Yes this is true but there were a few players waiting in the wings to see what happened with Kawhi because Lakers had extended offers depending on that outcome.

If the additions were 3 years younger then it would be close to the perfect team for AD and LeBron.

Landsberger wrote:

zimpy27 wrote:

Landsberger wrote:I'd say they "built" a team out of what was available..... had they had a clean slate I'm not sure a lot of these guys would be here quite frankly.

Yes this is true but there were a few players waiting in the wings to see what happened with Kawhi because Lakers had extended offers depending on that outcome.

If the additions were 3 years younger then it would be close to the perfect team for AD and LeBron.

My thoughts on the roster is that few of the additions beyond Davis seem to favor one of them over the other. They are role players for the most part and my guess is that they will fit in well if they are not asked to do too much.

My biggest complaint is spending on KCP. He's shown he doesn't fit with any team who's serious IMHO. He's a "shooter" that shoots 40% and a "defender" that seems bolted to the floor at the point. I'm sure for the $$ someone fits better than he does. Well.... I'll answer your question here.... KCP fits Bron better... for non-basketball reasons.

what would jack bauer do? wrote:Just judging from AD's summer workout videos it looks like his intention is to become a primary facilitator. I'd say he wants the ball in his hands a lot and to create for others. In a perfect world he'll land somewhere between a Pau Gasol and Giannis. But really this seems like new ground for AD.

I'd say the roster is definitely built to cater both guys. With the bigs to defend against other centers and a focus on getting AD the ball. Also with perimeter defense and shooting to help Lebron, the roster just seems primed to play winning team basketball.

zimpy27 wrote:

Landsberger wrote:

zimpy27 wrote:Yes this is true but there were a few players waiting in the wings to see what happened with Kawhi because Lakers had extended offers depending on that outcome.

If the additions were 3 years younger then it would be close to the perfect team for AD and LeBron.

My thoughts on the roster is that few of the additions beyond Davis seem to favor one of them over the other. They are role players for the most part and my guess is that they will fit in well if they are not asked to do too much.

My biggest complaint is spending on KCP. He's shown he doesn't fit with any team who's serious IMHO. He's a "shooter" that shoots 40% and a "defender" that seems bolted to the floor at the point. I'm sure for the $$ someone fits better than he does. Well.... I'll answer your question here.... KCP fits Bron better... for non-basketball reasons.

KCP is an interesting situation. He's a role player but I never saw Walton give him a role. He's young and was developing and then stalled as soon as he arrived on the Lakers under Walton and I believe that's because Ingram was prioritized. But also, KCP is the sort of player that needs a strong defensive frontcourt to be effective. He's a pest defender on the perimeter, he pressures but that's a defensive gamble based on your support so it makes him look bad.

Yes KCP was how Klutch got to see the inside of the Lakers and to help scout for LeBron and probably AD. This is a way to pay him back for that, but I also believe this contract good be a decent one considering his age, athleticism and shooting ability with an updated front court.

KCP and Bradley are the boom and bust for the Lakers, both defend in a similar way and so it's crucial that the Davis and Howard/McGee pairing is formidable enough to take advantage of that. Beverly is similar, albeit a little smarter, you can see how much better he played with Zubac than Gortat, it was a +10 swing. That defensive C is crucial for defenders like this to show effective impact metrics because it's tied to their style.


5 mins: Bradley, Green, LeBron, AD, Howard
7 mins: Caruso, Green, LeBron, Kuzma, McGee
5 mins: Caruso, KCP, LeBron, AD, McGee
7 mins: Bradley, KCP, Kuzma, AD, Howard
5 mins: Bradley, Green, LeBron, AD, Howard
7 mins: Caruso, Green, LeBron, Kuzma, AD
5 mins: Caruso, KCP, LeBron, AD, McGee
7 mins: Bradley, Green, LeBron, Kuzma, AD

Landsberger wrote:

zimpy27 wrote:

Landsberger wrote:
My thoughts on the roster is that few of the additions beyond Davis seem to favor one of them over the other. They are role players for the most part and my guess is that they will fit in well if they are not asked to do too much.

My biggest complaint is spending on KCP. He's shown he doesn't fit with any team who's serious IMHO. He's a "shooter" that shoots 40% and a "defender" that seems bolted to the floor at the point. I'm sure for the $$ someone fits better than he does. Well.... I'll answer your question here.... KCP fits Bron better... for non-basketball reasons.

KCP is an interesting situation. He's a role player but I never saw Walton give him a role. He's young and was developing and then stalled as soon as he arrived on the Lakers under Walton and I believe that's because Ingram was prioritized. But also, KCP is the sort of player that needs a strong defensive frontcourt to be effective. He's a pest defender on the perimeter, he pressures but that's a defensive gamble based on your support so it makes him look bad.

Yes KCP was how Klutch got to see the inside of the Lakers and to help scout for LeBron and probably AD. This is a way to pay him back for that, but I also believe this contract good be a decent one considering his age, athleticism and shooting ability with an updated front court.

KCP and Bradley are the boom and bust for the Lakers, both defend in a similar way and so it's crucial that the Davis and Howard/McGee pairing is formidable enough to take advantage of that. Beverly is similar, albeit a little smarter, you can see how much better he played with Zubac than Gortat, it was a +10 swing. That defensive C is crucial for defenders like this to show effective impact metrics because it's tied to their style.


5 mins: Bradley, Green, LeBron, AD, Howard
7 mins: Caruso, KCP, LeBron, Kuzma, McGee
5 mins: Caruso, KCP, LeBron, AD, McGee
7 mins: Bradley, Green, Kuzma, AD, Howard
5 mins: Bradley, Green, LeBron, AD, Howard
7 mins: Caruso, Green, LeBron, Kuzma, AD
5 mins: Caruso, KCP, LeBron, AD, McGee
7 mins: Bradley, Green, LeBron, Kuzma, AD

Hopefully the best thing about his contract is it's value in a trade that helps us. I think Bradley can bring us everything KCP does.

Unless there is a significant improvement in consistency I think he's easily the best trade piece we have at the deadline.

zimpy27 wrote:

Landsberger wrote:

zimpy27 wrote:
KCP is an interesting situation. He's a role player but I never saw Walton give him a role. He's young and was developing and then stalled as soon as he arrived on the Lakers under Walton and I believe that's because Ingram was prioritized. But also, KCP is the sort of player that needs a strong defensive frontcourt to be effective. He's a pest defender on the perimeter, he pressures but that's a defensive gamble based on your support so it makes him look bad.

Yes KCP was how Klutch got to see the inside of the Lakers and to help scout for LeBron and probably AD. This is a way to pay him back for that, but I also believe this contract good be a decent one considering his age, athleticism and shooting ability with an updated front court.

KCP and Bradley are the boom and bust for the Lakers, both defend in a similar way and so it's crucial that the Davis and Howard/McGee pairing is formidable enough to take advantage of that. Beverly is similar, albeit a little smarter, you can see how much better he played with Zubac than Gortat, it was a +10 swing. That defensive C is crucial for defenders like this to show effective impact metrics because it's tied to their style.


5 mins: Bradley, Green, LeBron, AD, Howard
7 mins: Caruso, KCP, LeBron, Kuzma, McGee
5 mins: Caruso, KCP, LeBron, AD, McGee
7 mins: Bradley, Green, Kuzma, AD, Howard
5 mins: Bradley, Green, LeBron, AD, Howard
7 mins: Caruso, Green, LeBron, Kuzma, AD
5 mins: Caruso, KCP, LeBron, AD, McGee
7 mins: Bradley, Green, LeBron, Kuzma, AD

Hopefully the best thing about his contract is it's value in a trade that helps us. I think Bradley can bring us everything KCP does.

Unless there is a significant improvement in consistency I think he's easily the best trade piece we have at the deadline.

KCP has an NTC, which means Cook at 3m and Bradley at 4.7m are the best trade pieces unless KCP agrees to be moved because of lack of playing time.

I think KCP will surprise you, he's had a better RPM than Bradley every season for the past 5.

Landsberger wrote:

zimpy27 wrote:

Landsberger wrote:
Hopefully the best thing about his contract is it's value in a trade that helps us. I think Bradley can bring us everything KCP does.

Unless there is a significant improvement in consistency I think he's easily the best trade piece we have at the deadline.

KCP has an NTC, which means Cook at 3m and Bradley at 4.7m are the best trade pieces unless KCP agrees to be moved because of lack of playing time.

I think KCP will surprise you, he's had a better RPM than Bradley every season for the past 5.

Oh... yeah... forgot about that. We've given NTC to Kobe and KCP in the last decade.....

While LeBron the player is a unique talent the cronyism with the guy and "his guys" is at an all time great level.

We'll see who's surprised by KCP. Even though I do analytics for a living I'm not much on NBA analytics.

Landsberger wrote:

zimpy27 wrote:

Landsberger wrote:
My thoughts on the roster is that few of the additions beyond Davis seem to favor one of them over the other. They are role players for the most part and my guess is that they will fit in well if they are not asked to do too much.

My biggest complaint is spending on KCP. He's shown he doesn't fit with any team who's serious IMHO. He's a "shooter" that shoots 40% and a "defender" that seems bolted to the floor at the point. I'm sure for the $$ someone fits better than he does. Well.... I'll answer your question here.... KCP fits Bron better... for non-basketball reasons.

KCP is an interesting situation. He's a role player but I never saw Walton give him a role. He's young and was developing and then stalled as soon as he arrived on the Lakers under Walton and I believe that's because Ingram was prioritized. But also, KCP is the sort of player that needs a strong defensive frontcourt to be effective. He's a pest defender on the perimeter, he pressures but that's a defensive gamble based on your support so it makes him look bad.

Yes KCP was how Klutch got to see the inside of the Lakers and to help scout for LeBron and probably AD. This is a way to pay him back for that, but I also believe this contract good be a decent one considering his age, athleticism and shooting ability with an updated front court.

KCP and Bradley are the boom and bust for the Lakers, both defend in a similar way and so it's crucial that the Davis and Howard/McGee pairing is formidable enough to take advantage of that. Beverly is similar, albeit a little smarter, you can see how much better he played with Zubac than Gortat, it was a +10 swing. That defensive C is crucial for defenders like this to show effective impact metrics because it's tied to their style.



Hopefully the best thing about his contract is it's value in a trade that helps us. I think Bradley can bring us everything KCP does.

Unless there is a significant improvement in consistency I think he's easily the best trade piece we have at the deadline.

His hatred for the purple and gold was manifested whereas showing on the podcast of ESPN’s Zach Lowe. During his look, he made mild of the Lakers roster and the fascinating solid of characters all through the lineup.

“Like, go look at that Lakers roster…It looks like my 11-year-old just picked players on 2K and threw them on a roster together,” Simmons mentioned. “There is no rhyme or reason to it.”

tamaraw08 wrote:Freaking Boston fanatic writer recently clowns the Lakers roster.

His hatred for the purple and gold was manifested whereas showing on the podcast of ESPN’s Zach Lowe. During his look, he made mild of the Lakers roster and the fascinating solid of characters all through the lineup.

“Like, go look at that Lakers roster…It looks like my 11-year-old just picked players on 2K and threw them on a roster together,” Simmons mentioned. “There is no rhyme or reason to it.”

I guess he doesn't know that Lebron's past teams were always top 5 in ORTG when he has accurate shooters around him and YES even AFTER Kyrie was traded. That you just replace Love with Davis and have a much better defender and shooter like Danny Green instead of crazy. Yes, they have players who have other weaknesses like Cook can shoot but can't defend and play-make. Rondo can set up the offense and pass but can't shoot and defend but the main weaknesses of 3pt and FT shooting have been have been addressed. They also acquire Bradley who was a solid defender 2 years ago. McGee has been pretty good for 15-20 minutes esp blocking shots etc.
Meanwhile Boston lost 2 very good PGs and replaced them with a less efficient guard.

https://holykey1.com/bill-simmons-clowns-lakers-roster-for-being-a-mess-listen/

tamaraw08 wrote:Freaking Boston fanatic writer recently clowns the Lakers roster.

His hatred for the purple and gold was manifested whereas showing on the podcast of ESPN’s Zach Lowe. During his look, he made mild of the Lakers roster and the fascinating solid of characters all through the lineup.

“Like, go look at that Lakers roster…It looks like my 11-year-old just picked players on 2K and threw them on a roster together,” Simmons mentioned. “There is no rhyme or reason to it.”

I guess he doesn't know that Lebron's past teams were always top 5 in ORTG when he has accurate shooters around him and YES even AFTER Kyrie was traded. That you just replace Love with Davis and have a much better defender and shooter like Danny Green instead of crazy. Yes, they have players who have other weaknesses like Cook can shoot but can't defend and play-make. Rondo can set up the offense and pass but can't shoot and defend but the main weaknesses of 3pt and FT shooting have been have been addressed. They also acquire Bradley who was a solid defender 2 years ago. McGee has been pretty good for 15-20 minutes esp blocking shots etc.
Meanwhile Boston lost 2 very good PGs and replaced them with a less efficient guard.