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Interesting lineups 

Post#1 » by zimpy27 » Tue Nov 5, 2019 8:49 pm

There are over 100 lineup permutations of lineups for the Lakers right now, I thought we could have a thread where we discuss different lineups that appear positive, add some stats and try to explain why you think they work.

They don't have to be 5-man lineups. I think it's ok to discuss 2-man, 3-man, 4-man lineups as well, especially at this point of the season when 5-man lineup minutes are low.




Lineup: Cook/KCP/Davis/Howard. 22 minutes played and a +74 net rating

Only 22 minutes but if you breakdown to 3-man lineups you have 35+ minutes each for these lineups: KCP/Davis/Howard at +50 net rating, Cook/KCP/Howard at +45 net rating, Cook/KCP/Davis at +43 net rating.

The reason this lineup works so well is that Davis and Howard form an incredible defensive interior. Cook and KCP (even Bradley but he hasn't played with these guys yet) play a risky defensive game that has a positive impact with a strong interior defense. They will disrupt the perimeter and get steals but will also let their man blow by them as they play the offensive perimeter close. With the interior defense of AD and Howard the mistakes of Cook and KCP are caught.

On the offensive side the interior presence of AD and Howard work well with outside shooters like Cook and KCP. Even when not shooting well the space they create helps Davis and Howard operate inside.

I have a feeling that the Davis/Howard pairing could easily lead a team like this to the playoffs. Cook, Caruso, Bradley, KCP, Green, Daniels, Kuzma can all play with this pairing and have a positive impact without needing LeBron.
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Post#2 » by stan francisco » Wed Nov 6, 2019 12:38 am

For me, I’d like to know what guard duo fits LBJ and AD better defensively — is more efficient — than Caruso and Green.

It seems to me so far that DH is the better interior defensive center and that JMG has quicker feet and longer reach on the perimeter. He is lanky enough to chase down drives by wings on switches. DH is strong enough to bang with anyone down low (except Marjanovic).

The opponent should dictate who starts. It’s a nice problem to have the choice. And to think we have Kostas and a healing DMC on the bench...
2019-20
PG: James16, Caruso20, Bradley4, Rondo4, Norvell4
SG: Green24, Pope10, Bradley8, Daniels4, Cook2
SF: Kuzma22, James16, THT6, Caroline4
PF: Davis32, Kuzma10, Cacok4, Dudley2
C: McGee22, Howard22, Davis2, Antetokounmpo2
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Re: Interesting lineups 

Post#3 » by stan francisco » Wed Nov 6, 2019 12:38 am

zimpy27 wrote:There are over 100 lineup permutations of lineups for the Lakers right now, I thought we could have a thread where we discuss different lineups that appear positive, add some stats and try to explain why you think they work.

They don't have to be 5-man lineups. I think it's ok to discuss 2-man, 3-man, 4-man lineups as well, especially at this point of the season when 5-man lineup minutes are low.




Lineup: Cook/KCP/Davis/Howard. 22 minutes played and a +74 net rating

Only 22 minutes but if you breakdown to 3-man lineups you have 35+ minutes each for these lineups: KCP/Davis/Howard at +50 net rating, Cook/KCP/Howard at +45 net rating, Cook/KCP/Davis at +43 net rating.

The reason this lineup works so well is that Davis and Howard form an incredible defensive interior. Cook and KCP (even Bradley but he hasn't played with these guys yet) play a risky defensive game that has a positive impact with a strong interior defense. They will disrupt the perimeter and get steals but will also let their man blow by them as they play the offensive perimeter close. With the interior defense of AD and Howard the mistakes of Cook and KCP are caught.

On the offensive side the interior presence of AD and Howard work well with outside shooters like Cook and KCP. Even when not shooting well the space they create helps Davis and Howard operate inside.

I have a feeling that the Davis/Howard pairing could easily lead a team like this to the playoffs. Cook, Caruso, Bradley, KCP, Green, Daniels, Kuzma can all play with this pairing and have a positive impact without needing LeBron.


Those are some mind bending stats.
2019-20
PG: James16, Caruso20, Bradley4, Rondo4, Norvell4
SG: Green24, Pope10, Bradley8, Daniels4, Cook2
SF: Kuzma22, James16, THT6, Caroline4
PF: Davis32, Kuzma10, Cacok4, Dudley2
C: McGee22, Howard22, Davis2, Antetokounmpo2
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Post#4 » by zimpy27 » Wed Nov 6, 2019 12:53 am

stan francisco wrote:For me, I’d like to know what guard duo fits LBJ and AD better defensively — is more efficient — than Caruso and Green.

It seems to me so far that DH is the better interior defensive center and that JMG has quicker feet and longer reach on the perimeter. He is lanky enough to chase down drives by wings on switches. DH is strong enough to bang with anyone down low (except Marjanovic).

The opponent should dictate who starts. It’s a nice problem to have the choice. And to think we have Kostas and a healing DMC on the bench...


I actually think McGee might be a project in this system. He needs to prove that he can keep square on the interior and do what Vogel wants him to do for the defense to work. He has to change the way he plays and it may take a few months. If he hasn't by the deadline then I think he gets moved. Cousins would be perfect if he come in.

Right now the Lakers look great when the 4/5 spot is LeBron/AD, LeBron/Howard, AD/Howard. They need to integrate Kuzma into this somewhere and you can't play Howard more so all you get is Kuzma/AD. The AD/Howard combo should play a lot of minutes together. Kuzma and LeBron need another 5 option other than AD or Howard.
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Post#5 » by stan francisco » Wed Nov 6, 2019 9:13 am

PG: L James
SG: K Kuzma
SF: A Davis
PF: D Cousins
C: D Howard

Yeah.
2019-20
PG: James16, Caruso20, Bradley4, Rondo4, Norvell4
SG: Green24, Pope10, Bradley8, Daniels4, Cook2
SF: Kuzma22, James16, THT6, Caroline4
PF: Davis32, Kuzma10, Cacok4, Dudley2
C: McGee22, Howard22, Davis2, Antetokounmpo2
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Post#6 » by Landsberger » Thu Nov 7, 2019 2:24 am

Mathematically there are a few more than 100.... with 12 active players you can have 792 combinations... with 15 you can have 3,003. Luke would be in the mid 500's by now. Vogel is slacking.

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