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Spanish_Laker wrote:Pythagoras wrote:lalalaker wrote:6-1 into the season we start seeing wat this lakers is about.
Of course after game 1 a ranted about running more pick and roll offense which i am satisfied they did it.
Defense is delightful to see as they are really banging hard to stop opponents which helps us get back late in games.
offense gets stagnant at times when its all iso one on one lebron or davis but it is a simply good option to run when we really need buckets. caruso needs to be more aggressive on defense and rim run more on offense. lakers need more set plays when lebron sits cause the ball isnt moving around enough. either make kuzma the focal point of offense or run more pick and roll on high screen for open dish out. We need some blow out games to allow other players to get more touches and rest LBJ and Davis for sure.
The defense is suffocating and I love it. Offensively, it would be nice to have another perimeter player who can consistently create for himself and others. Preferably one who doesn’t suck, like Rondo.
I’m starting to wonder about Kuzma’s fit. He’s such an inconsistent 3 point shooter, and he’s still a very inconsistent defender.
Still, a lot to like about this team.
If Kuzma doesn't provide at least 35% 3pt shooting and average defense, I see him getting shipped before ASB for a PG.
kobe808lak wrote:Spanish_Laker wrote:Pythagoras wrote:
The defense is suffocating and I love it. Offensively, it would be nice to have another perimeter player who can consistently create for himself and others. Preferably one who doesn’t suck, like Rondo.
I’m starting to wonder about Kuzma’s fit. He’s such an inconsistent 3 point shooter, and he’s still a very inconsistent defender.
Still, a lot to like about this team.
If Kuzma doesn't provide at least 35% 3pt shooting and average defense, I see him getting shipped before ASB for a PG.
Do you have a PG in mind? Curious to see who may be out there available for a deal..
kobe808lak wrote:Spanish_Laker wrote:Pythagoras wrote:
The defense is suffocating and I love it. Offensively, it would be nice to have another perimeter player who can consistently create for himself and others. Preferably one who doesn’t suck, like Rondo.
I’m starting to wonder about Kuzma’s fit. He’s such an inconsistent 3 point shooter, and he’s still a very inconsistent defender.
Still, a lot to like about this team.
If Kuzma doesn't provide at least 35% 3pt shooting and average defense, I see him getting shipped before ASB for a PG.
Do you have a PG in mind? Curious to see who may be out there available for a deal..
Sedale Threatt wrote:iamworthy wrote:I actually expect AD to be a little better than this graph portrays. I expect his jumper to improve as the year goes on.
Hopefully. He's five and six pct points below his career average in overall and 3-point shooting, respectively, so there's a lot of room for improvement. He's actually shooting fewer jumpers this year, but I'd really like to see some more focus on the pick-and-roll with LeBron. That should be devastating but it seems merely pretty good, and not nearly frequent enough.
The great thing about Davis is that he can have an average night, and it's still 25/10/3. There are only a few players on that tier and, if LeBron can stay in one piece, we have two of them. And the great thing about LeBron is, while I wouldn't expect him to stay at this ridiculous pace all season (26/8/11 !!!), it's at least a possibility.
Overall, we're playing championship-caliber defense, which is awesome and encouraging, but the offense is pretty mediocre at this point. I don't have much faith in Rondo but there's certainly a chance chis return can give us a little bump. Davis shooting better and Kuzma getting back into playing shape should as well.
My big fear is that, again, our shooting is going to be a huge issue. Green helps, and Bradley's 35 pct is just solid enough where you can give him good minutes and capitalize on his D. But overall we're still pretty poor. I expect a lot of guys to shoot better than they are now, for sure, but we still don't have the consistency or the skill.
iamworthy wrote:Sedale Threatt wrote:iamworthy wrote:I actually expect AD to be a little better than this graph portrays. I expect his jumper to improve as the year goes on.
Hopefully. He's five and six pct points below his career average in overall and 3-point shooting, respectively, so there's a lot of room for improvement. He's actually shooting fewer jumpers this year, but I'd really like to see some more focus on the pick-and-roll with LeBron. That should be devastating but it seems merely pretty good, and not nearly frequent enough.
The great thing about Davis is that he can have an average night, and it's still 25/10/3. There are only a few players on that tier and, if LeBron can stay in one piece, we have two of them. And the great thing about LeBron is, while I wouldn't expect him to stay at this ridiculous pace all season (26/8/11 !!!), it's at least a possibility.
Overall, we're playing championship-caliber defense, which is awesome and encouraging, but the offense is pretty mediocre at this point. I don't have much faith in Rondo but there's certainly a chance chis return can give us a little bump. Davis shooting better and Kuzma getting back into playing shape should as well.
My big fear is that, again, our shooting is going to be a huge issue. Green helps, and Bradley's 35 pct is just solid enough where you can give him good minutes and capitalize on his D. But overall we're still pretty poor. I expect a lot of guys to shoot better than they are now, for sure, but we still don't have the consistency or the skill.
I agree with all of your points. Honestly I feel like LeBron and AD are saving the pick n roll for when it matters. That's the only thing I can think of as to why they don't run it more. LeBron is playing the PG spot much better now than he was few games ago. Seemed like he was too comfortable crossing half court and dumping it down to AD... That's changed now. LeBron is on a pay back tour, no telling what this guy is going to do this year. The more I watch this team play the more I think we NEED rondo. Other than LeBron, I don't trust anyone dribbling the ball. I'm just hoping Vogel can sprinkle some defense dust on rondo to get him to put in the effort. But I have to believe there's no way in hell AD or LeBron is going to let rondo sleep on the defensive end. I think we have capable shooters but currently shots are just not going in. I was listening to lakers film room and he made a point to say that w8th the defense that's currently being played, maybe guys are not conditioned well enough to play that well on defense and knock down long jumpers. As conditioning improves maybe guys start to knock down shots.
Dupp wrote:The defense is great. I don’t think people realise how bad lebrons cavs cast were defensively outside of him. Legit worst defensive team in the nba outside of him. No surprise he’s looked so good on d when he’s got other defenders around him.
For a 7-1 start the lakers have a number of ways they can improve.
- The offense could be real good if they hit their 3s. Shooting is a bit of an issue. It would open things a lot for lebron and AD.
- ADs jumper comes back. He also needs to take better shots than some of the fade away twos. The team need to do a better job of getting him closer to the basket, especially in the fourth.
- Kuzma becomes above average. Can spark the bench or something.
- Depth sucks. Kcp is bad. Magee too. For some of the guys it is consistency and being comfortable in their roles. I think Caruso is a good player.
If lakers could get Iggy they’d be insane. I worry about rondo though, he really sucks.
I guess on the flip of all these upsides is Dwight. Can he be this good all season and in the playoffs?
Who can the Lakers get for his price? Kuzma is cheaper than a veterans minimumSpanish_Laker wrote:Pythagoras wrote:lalalaker wrote:6-1 into the season we start seeing wat this lakers is about.
Of course after game 1 a ranted about running more pick and roll offense which i am satisfied they did it.
Defense is delightful to see as they are really banging hard to stop opponents which helps us get back late in games.
offense gets stagnant at times when its all iso one on one lebron or davis but it is a simply good option to run when we really need buckets. caruso needs to be more aggressive on defense and rim run more on offense. lakers need more set plays when lebron sits cause the ball isnt moving around enough. either make kuzma the focal point of offense or run more pick and roll on high screen for open dish out. We need some blow out games to allow other players to get more touches and rest LBJ and Davis for sure.
The defense is suffocating and I love it. Offensively, it would be nice to have another perimeter player who can consistently create for himself and others. Preferably one who doesn’t suck, like Rondo.
I’m starting to wonder about Kuzma’s fit. He’s such an inconsistent 3 point shooter, and he’s still a very inconsistent defender.
Still, a lot to like about this team.
If Kuzma doesn't provide at least 35% 3pt shooting and average defense, I see him getting shipped before ASB for a PG.
Ab will remain the starting pg. Caruso will not be able to stay with the westbrooks,dames, currys of the world. AB will.stan francisco wrote:Trading Kuzma when he makes $1.9M remains a bad idea no matter what. Who will give you more for that price? He will never again have such a high on-court value per dollar paid no matter how poorly he plays rest of season.
From a ball point of view, I have a strong incling that none of us here will want to trade him five or ten games from now. The fireworks are coming.
He’s what, three games into his season? Had an injury that took him away from full contact and game tempo practice. Our defense is furiously intense even for all the healthy players. They can’t even make their shots. In Kuz I trust!
Caruso. I’m sticking to the prediction that he’s our starting PG before Christmas. His shot will soon start falling, too. That’ll open up lanes for his drive and dish game. And he can finish.
Caruso, Green, LBJ, AD, Howard
It seems the whole team except LeBron need to do some serious cardio to keep up with this defense and also make shots, as noted above.
As someone who always preaches defense I’m beyond excited about what we’ve seen so far. I love the fourth quarter Boa Constrictor defense!!! They’re squeezing the life out of teams. Imagine when the shots fall.
Targets:
Iggy, Van Fleet
NippySudz wrote:Who can the Lakers get for his price? Kuzma is cheaper than a veterans minimumSpanish_Laker wrote:Pythagoras wrote:
The defense is suffocating and I love it. Offensively, it would be nice to have another perimeter player who can consistently create for himself and others. Preferably one who doesn’t suck, like Rondo.
I’m starting to wonder about Kuzma’s fit. He’s such an inconsistent 3 point shooter, and he’s still a very inconsistent defender.
Still, a lot to like about this team.
If Kuzma doesn't provide at least 35% 3pt shooting and average defense, I see him getting shipped before ASB for a PG.
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Kilroy wrote:NippySudz wrote:Who can the Lakers get for his price? Kuzma is cheaper than a veterans minimumSpanish_Laker wrote:
If Kuzma doesn't provide at least 35% 3pt shooting and average defense, I see him getting shipped before ASB for a PG.
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Kuzma is the piece that helps you trade KCP... He's not the straight trade piece...
Kuzma's value comes from the fact he's on his rookie contract, and teams know, despite his shortcomings, he's going to be worth a whole lot more... So trading for him now, gets them first shot at defining that future.
KCP is overpaid but serviceable in the right role, but you wouldn't trade for him unless you were getting something else you wanted too...
Basically, I think there's only one realistic (you decide how realistic) trade for either KCP or Kuzma... That's both of them for Iggy.
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7245361
Can't happen until the Dec 15th tho... And Iggy is way over-paid right now and that's a whole lot to give up for him... And despite all that, he'd pretty much have to threaten to retire to get Memphis to accept that for him.