thebigbird wrote:tamaraw08 wrote:thebigbird wrote:Davis is 10th because he plays a bunch of minutes with Rondo, and the pairing has been terrible. You're not really pointing to anything to suggest he's "not that bad either." He's been a net negative on every team he's been on since 2012. That's a good measure of his overall worth. It's why he's bounced around from team to team.
I don't care what his WS, BPM, etc. are. His numbers are skewed because he hunts for assists to the detriment of the team. I care how the team does when he's on the court, and they've been really bad.
But thats the thing, you said, I can't point out stats to prove he's not that bad but you don't care about other stats like WS and BPM
It's true, at times he hunts for assists but I don't think it's always the case.
How about 3pt shooting? TS%, PER, in DRTG he's better than Bradley, KCP AND Kuzma.
Again I don't like just taking one freaking stat to assess one's player value.
You mentioned AD and Rondo is a terrible combo? currently the top 6 in minutes played from 177 minutes (Kuzma +4.1 to KCP's 79 mins generates a positive score including AD for 128 mins +3.3. Yes, this will fluctuate but again Lakers do NOT have any LEGIT PG who can provide relief for Lebron. Actually, the James/Rondo combo now has a +12.3 (135 mins) tied for 4th for 2-man combo better than James/AD.
Also in his last playoffs with the Pelicans, the team was a + 7.4 with him on the court with a -5.6 when he's off.
Again I am not saying Rondo is the answer for the Lakers specific problems. Yes, he is not a good defender, yes, at times he hunts for assists but I just don't see Cook, Daniels and others can REALLY facilitate this teams' offense when James sits, can you?
Rondo and AD have a +1.0 net rating together in 127 minutes. That's not very good. Rondo has a negative BPM, so not sure why you'd point to that as a + in Rondo's favor. Rondo has a worse defensive rating than Bradley and Kuzma. Rondo's defensive rating when LeBron is off the court is absolutely atrocious. What's the point of having a player on the team whose role is to play when LeBron sits, when the only time he's playable is when he actually does play with LeBron? You point to his net rating with LeBron, and sure it's good, but it's lower than LeBron's net rating with Quinn Cook, Alex Caruso, and Avery Bradley. So, those three guys should be playing point guard next to LeBron before Rondo does.
You say that you don't like taking "one freaking stat" to assess a player's value. How valuable can a player be when his team is much better when he doesn't play than when he does play? It's incredibly obvious that Rondo is hurting the Lakers, both by the eye test and by the numbers. If you choose not to believe that, that's your choice.
This is an evidence that your missiles are just locked in on just Rondo regarding bpm. Yes, he has a -0.1, not very good right?
Did you just missed checking other players like Bradley,Caruso, KCP etc?
Bradley has a -1.3, Caruso has -1.0, KCP has a -1.4 etc, every GUARD not named Danny Green who btw can't dribble and facilitate has a NEGATIVE BPM and actually have a worst BPM than Rondo, should they play less minutes then? No, again, for me, it's about the situation and match ups. Lebron gets also productive in attacking when Rondo sets him up IMO.
I love Caruso, KCP's defense has been good too imo but we will have to agree to disagree that in your belief that Cook, AC and Bradley can really play PG and facilitate well when James is not doing it.