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Post#441 » by lakerRD » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:08 pm

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So basically give up JaVale and Kieff plus a second to get Gasol?

That may be too much to give up.
And we would still need a big to either start or back up Gasol if we give up Javale.
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Post#442 » by EArl » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:09 pm

Giving up Javale would hurt. I think we need both Javale and Gasol to split the 5 minutes. If we only keep Marc, im assuming Harrel splits the minutes?
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Re: Lakers Targets - Free Agent Class 2020 

Post#443 » by kblo247 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:13 pm

EArl wrote:Giving up Javale would hurt. I think we need both Javale and Gasol to split the 5 minutes. If we only keep Marc, im assuming Harrel splits the minutes?

He was and has been a backup 5 the whole time. Harrell is not a 4. It would be whoever, Harrell, and AD to close at the 5
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Re: Lakers Targets - Free Agent Class 2020 

Post#444 » by ROballer » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:13 pm

Of course. Harrell basically only played the 5 the past 2 years for the Clippers.

Those thinking he will play the 4 here are delusional.We still got AD/Kuzma and possible somebody else.

It's gonna be similar to the Clippers scenario, only the FO apparently wants Gasol to play Zubac 15-20 mins as a starter and not McGee.
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Re: Lakers Targets - Free Agent Class 2020 

Post#445 » by kblo247 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:21 pm

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So basically give up JaVale and Kieff plus a second to get Gasol?

That may be too much to give up.
And we would still need a big to either start or back up Gasol if we give up Javale.


It’s about getting gasol but also about doing right by people and the image they want to show.

Getting Kieff paid would be huge since they only have the minimum to give him this year. And he hasn’t gotten paid like his bro. Plus he’s only going to Florida over Canada this year.

Getting Javale to a team where he can play and keep his money instead of a terrible spot to be bought out looks much better too. After the way he was professional and he played a role all season to get you to the bubble, went in the bubble with all his asthma problems, and still cheered while being benched sends a good message.

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Pelinka bettered the team. He still gave Avery a ring. He got Danny out of town after he said the bubble and laker fans caused him mental healthy anxiety and issues. He thanked rondo and they let him go get paid without any issue. And Dwight they tried to communicate the money they would offer would be fluid depending on the exemption they used and KCP salary. He also praised Kuz when people been at his neck saying how he think he could grow into Danny’s role and would talk an extension with him
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Re: Lakers Targets - Free Agent Class 2020 

Post#446 » by kblo247 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:23 pm

ROballer wrote:Of course. Harrell basically only played the 5 the past 2 years for the Clippers.

Those thinking he will play the 4 here are delusional.We still got AD/Kuzma and possible somebody else.

It's gonna be similar to the Clippers scenario, only the FO apparently wants Gasol to play Zubac 15-20 mins as a starter and not McGee.

And you got lebron, don’t forget him as a pf, you know like in the title game you won and Miami. Just because Bron and AD like to wait to the playoffs to mostly play those spots don’t change the fact that is where they are deadliest.
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Re: Lakers Targets - Free Agent Class 2020 

Post#447 » by Danny Darko » Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:01 pm

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Post#448 » by kblo247 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:04 pm

Think he mean the second to the Raptors.

And then make years 2 and 3 partially or not guaranteed. Has to be a 3 year deal for a sign and trade
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Post#449 » by chefy » Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:09 pm

Please don’t trade for a washed up Marc Gasol. Should’ve just kept Howard for 3 mil then. Rather have this front court

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Post#450 » by kblo247 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:15 pm

chefy wrote:Please don’t trade for a washed up Marc Gasol. Should’ve just kept the Howard for 3 mil then. Rather have this front court

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Javale played 1 series in the playoffs
Dwight played for 1 and a half.

And your lineup is extremely flawed because Harrel is not a damn 4 for the last time. Anyone saying that doesn’t watch actual nba basketball and just is being silly if they write him as a PF. It’s stupid logic to say make him a 4 when he’s always been a 5 and won sixth man of the year at the 5, just dumb for anyone to keep posting that or ask who is the backup 5 if they even watch the nba or know and follow basketball truly.

Washed up Marc also had better defensive numbers than Javale for what it is worth. Is an elite passer. And is the daddy of Embid.
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Post#451 » by Vae Victus » Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:38 pm

Lakers really did mess up in not re-signing DHo for the vet min.

Javale can eat mins in the regular season and be benched when he sucks and DHo comes in with elite D and against certain matchups.

Honestly at this point, the Lakers should go get Dedmon to be a legit stretch 5, when the team needs a different look. Would be nice to have extra spacing for Lebron and AD to operate.

Get Dedmon and go get some 2nd/3rd string PG with size like Lin (to make up a bit for Shroeder) or go midget with Napier for vet mins and call it an offseason.
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Post#452 » by wco81 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:44 pm

Maybe Klutch delivering free agents to the Lakers was a double-edge sword in this case.

Lakers were sold on Harrell but that means they let Howard go.
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Post#453 » by kblo247 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:01 pm

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Re: Lakers Targets - Free Agent Class 2020 

Post#454 » by zimpy27 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:58 pm

Vae Victus wrote:Lakers really did mess up in not re-signing DHo for the vet min.

Javale can eat mins in the regular season and be benched when he sucks and DHo comes in with elite D and against certain matchups.

Honestly at this point, the Lakers should go get Dedmon to be a legit stretch 5, when the team needs a different look. Would be nice to have extra spacing for Lebron and AD to operate.

Get Dedmon and go get some 2nd/3rd string PG with size like Lin (to make up a bit for Shroeder) or go midget with Napier for vet mins and call it an offseason.


Howard was not that good in playoffs either. Gasol would be an upgrade over him for the role he played on Jokic.
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Re: Lakers Targets - Free Agent Class 2020 

Post#455 » by zimpy27 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:02 pm

NYK get: McGee
LAL get: Gasol (3m)
TOR get: SRP

Lakers sign Markieff for 2.8m
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Post#456 » by LakersSoul » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:03 pm

Beethoven wrote:I rather have baynes over gasol


Esp if Gasol wants more than vet min.

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Post#457 » by kblo247 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:05 pm

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Esp if Gasol wants more than vet min.

His defensive presence is worth more than vet min. And yes it’s worth more than Dwight or Javale too

And Baynes should have played himself into a bae or something. Hell Markieff and Baynes splitting the MLE for Toronto is a win for them
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Re: Lakers Targets - Free Agent Class 2020 

Post#458 » by loveshaq786 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:10 pm

Could mcgee and kuz fetch us.... jalen smith and baynes?
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Post#459 » by kblo247 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:23 pm

loveshaq786 wrote:Could mcgee and kuz fetch us.... jalen smith and baynes?

So your question is can Kuzmas salary which is still one of the lowest on the team and Javale get you a top draft pick whose caphold is bigger than what Kuz has made his whole tenure and Baynes who would have to sign on a low deal?

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Post#460 » by Vae Victus » Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:26 pm

There's just no reason to go through a convoluted S&T mess to get Marc Gasol for the privilege of paying him more than the vet min. Basically the only way to give him more money is to dump Javale somehwere for pure cap, along with assets + cash as sweetener, and then convince TOR to go through the bother of S&T Marc Gasol for a fake SRP (although i think they'll do it without much issue, jsut as a goodwill gesture).

In essence we'll trading Javale McGee + cash + assets for Marc Gasol and paying him like 4-5 mil a year.

Now what if he demands multiple years?

Screw that, just offer the vet min and a detailed description of his role (10-15 mins a game, more against certain matchups, sit out a bunch of games for other players to get experience/touches).

Offer Marc Gasol, Dedmon, Kieff, RJax, Lin, Napier, etc all vet mins, and whoever accepts first gets to be ring chasing and be allowed to pad their stats some when AD/LBJ are load managing.

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