Can we talk about why Vogel hates Markieff Morris ?
Moderators: Kilroy, TyCobb, Danny Darko
Can we talk about why Vogel hates Markieff Morris ?
-
- Starter
- Posts: 2,026
- And1: 3,614
- Joined: Aug 30, 2019
Can we talk about why Vogel hates Markieff Morris ?
Markieff signed here hoping to be a contributor on a contender. He’s not even getting garbage minutes over Giannis’ brother. Why’s he in Vogel’s doghouse ?
Re: Can we talk about why Vogel hates Markieff Morris ?
- Beethoven
- Head Coach
- Posts: 6,559
- And1: 3,834
- Joined: May 03, 2012
- Location: Utopian Dystopia
Re: Can we talk about why Vogel hates Markieff Morris ?
Hate? Who's hating? Vogel has his reasons im sure.
Kobe Bryant forever
GO LAKERS
GO LAKERS
Re: Can we talk about why Vogel hates Markieff Morris ?
- Dr Aki
- RealGM
- Posts: 34,391
- And1: 29,335
- Joined: Mar 03, 2008
- Location: Sydney, Australia
Re: Can we talk about why Vogel hates Markieff Morris ?
Morris was signed to be a good defensive matchup to the bigger wings in the league i.e. Kawhi, PG.
He's also had less of a training camp so maybe he's allowed to work himself into game shape slowly
He's also had less of a training camp so maybe he's allowed to work himself into game shape slowly
Re: Can we talk about why Vogel hates Markieff Morris ?
-
- Analyst
- Posts: 3,260
- And1: 1,289
- Joined: Feb 13, 2019
Re: Can we talk about why Vogel hates Markieff Morris ?
Dr Aki wrote:Morris was signed to be a good defensive matchup to the bigger wings in the league i.e. Kawhi, PG.
He's also had less of a training camp so maybe he's allowed to work himself into game shape slowly
You have legit points but doesn't playing him more minutes help him more to get into shape by burning those calories instead of languishing in the bench? I felt Phil played Shaq extensive minutes for the same reason before.
Also, it's a bit confusing on why Vogel would rather play the slower and fatter Dudley and the super raw Giannis' brother instead of him. If we can't gather info before, now it's even worst with them located in Orlando but Frank must have a combo of reasons why this is happening.
1. Not sharp during practices, making same mistakes and slow on rotations.
2. Disengage and/or late during team meetings and film sessions.
3. Not connecting well with teammates and coaching staff.
Re: Can we talk about why Vogel hates Markieff Morris ?
-
- Assistant Coach
- Posts: 4,032
- And1: 4,128
- Joined: Jun 25, 2014
Re: Can we talk about why Vogel hates Markieff Morris ?
I want to see more of Morris. At this point, I feel like he was just a response to the Clippers getting his brother. I also want to see JR Smith shooting more 3s. Plays designed for him as well as Danny Green.
Re: Can we talk about why Vogel hates Markieff Morris ?
- tugs
- RealGM
- Posts: 16,633
- And1: 2,926
- Joined: Jul 22, 2010
Re: Can we talk about why Vogel hates Markieff Morris ?
Getting some burn now
Re: Can we talk about why Vogel hates Markieff Morris ?
-
- Lead Assistant
- Posts: 4,815
- And1: 2,722
- Joined: Jul 15, 2002
- Location: Earth
Re: Can we talk about why Vogel hates Markieff Morris ?
Dr Aki wrote:Morris was signed to be a good defensive matchup to the bigger wings in the league i.e. Kawhi, PG.
He's also had less of a training camp so maybe he's allowed to work himself into game shape slowly
Morris is not a wing, he is a stretch PF with the ability to switch out on smaller players.
He is more likely to be utilized as a small ball five then a wing.
His brother Marcus fits your description better. Marcus is a PF/SF type while Markieff is more of a PF/C.
Don't believe the hype...
Re: Can we talk about why Vogel hates Markieff Morris ?
- Dr Aki
- RealGM
- Posts: 34,391
- And1: 29,335
- Joined: Mar 03, 2008
- Location: Sydney, Australia
Re: Can we talk about why Vogel hates Markieff Morris ?
Greyhound wrote:Dr Aki wrote:Morris was signed to be a good defensive matchup to the bigger wings in the league i.e. Kawhi, PG.
He's also had less of a training camp so maybe he's allowed to work himself into game shape slowly
Morris is not a wing, he is a stretch PF with the ability to switch out on smaller players.
He is more likely to be utilized as a small ball five then a wing.
His brother Marcus fits your description better. Marcus is a PF/SF type while Markieff is more of a PF/C.
At the stage of the season we got him, he was basically all we could get
Re: Can we talk about why Vogel hates Markieff Morris ?
-
- Lead Assistant
- Posts: 4,815
- And1: 2,722
- Joined: Jul 15, 2002
- Location: Earth
Re: Can we talk about why Vogel hates Markieff Morris ?
Dr Aki wrote:Greyhound wrote:Dr Aki wrote:Morris was signed to be a good defensive matchup to the bigger wings in the league i.e. Kawhi, PG.
He's also had less of a training camp so maybe he's allowed to work himself into game shape slowly
Morris is not a wing, he is a stretch PF with the ability to switch out on smaller players.
He is more likely to be utilized as a small ball five then a wing.
His brother Marcus fits your description better. Marcus is a PF/SF type while Markieff is more of a PF/C.
At the stage of the season we got him, he was basically all we could get
What he offers is good in itself. He allows the team a capable stretch PF (with toughness and experience) to utilize alongside Davis at Center. He and Kuzma give the Lakers great flexibility on that front. They can also give defensive minutes against big wings when switched.
Davis at center, as much as possible, will be the Lakers end game. Markieff Morris helps facilitate that.
Don't believe the hype...
Re: Can we talk about why Vogel hates Markieff Morris ?
- Beethoven
- Head Coach
- Posts: 6,559
- And1: 3,834
- Joined: May 03, 2012
- Location: Utopian Dystopia
Re: Can we talk about why Vogel hates Markieff Morris ?
Markieff reminds me of Alonzo in Training Day
Kobe Bryant forever
GO LAKERS
GO LAKERS
Re: Can we talk about why Vogel hates Markieff Morris ?
- Speedlot
- Lead Assistant
- Posts: 5,130
- And1: 697
- Joined: Jan 01, 2007
Re: Can we talk about why Vogel hates Markieff Morris ?
I trust Vogel
Re: Can we talk about why Vogel hates Markieff Morris ?
-
- Analyst
- Posts: 3,262
- And1: 210
- Joined: May 09, 2006
Re: Can we talk about why Vogel hates Markieff Morris ?
He is a good fit in specific matchups but maybe not in our base lineup. To be frank, McGee has basically been useless since the restart, who's to say Dwight doesn't move into the starting lineup and leave all the backup 4 and 5 min to Markieff in the playoffs?
Re: Can we talk about why Vogel hates Markieff Morris ?
-
- Lead Assistant
- Posts: 5,315
- And1: 1,545
- Joined: Oct 20, 2015
Re: Can we talk about why Vogel hates Markieff Morris ?
McGee is a rhythm player, needs his windup minutes to kick it into high gear. He’ll get there soon.
Morris needs to move his feet a bit more on defense to get some more burn.
Morris needs to move his feet a bit more on defense to get some more burn.
NBA titles since the merger: LAL 11, CHI 6, SAS 5, BOS 5, GSW 4.
Re: Can we talk about why Vogel hates Markieff Morris ?
-
- RealGM
- Posts: 17,175
- And1: 4,191
- Joined: Mar 14, 2002
- Location: HOME OF THE 17 TIME WORLD CHAMPIONS!
Re: Can we talk about why Vogel hates Markieff Morris ?
just get us to the final 4
Home of the 17 Time World Champions
Re: Can we talk about why Vogel hates Markieff Morris ?
-
- Assistant Coach
- Posts: 4,012
- And1: 1,838
- Joined: Jun 09, 2013
Re: Can we talk about why Vogel hates Markieff Morris ?
slifersd wrote:He is a good fit in specific matchups but maybe not in our base lineup. To be frank, McGee has basically been useless since the restart, who's to say Dwight doesn't move into the starting lineup and leave all the backup 4 and 5 min to Markieff in the playoffs?
This sounds like a good idea. Players who are sucking shoudl be cut out of the rotation and the Lakers can easily go with a DHo/AD C rotation, as we go into the playoffs. Kuzma has been playing his best ball of the season in the bubble, so i want him to get more mins. Kieff needs to produce if he does get thrown in there, he's less skilled than his twin Marcus, but according to advanced stats he does the little things on the inside way better, so he needs to do all the lunch pail stuff when AD is at the 5.
It is concerning that Kieff isnt even getting garbage mins and we're seeing Dudley getting any sort of burn.
Re: Can we talk about why Vogel hates Markieff Morris ?
- kblo247
- RealGM
- Posts: 13,832
- And1: 2,130
- Joined: Apr 16, 2011
Re: Can we talk about why Vogel hates Markieff Morris ?
Vae Victus wrote:slifersd wrote:He is a good fit in specific matchups but maybe not in our base lineup. To be frank, McGee has basically been useless since the restart, who's to say Dwight doesn't move into the starting lineup and leave all the backup 4 and 5 min to Markieff in the playoffs?
This sounds like a good idea. Players who are sucking shoudl be cut out of the rotation and the Lakers can easily go with a DHo/AD C rotation, as we go into the playoffs. Kuzma has been playing his best ball of the season in the bubble, so i want him to get more mins. Kieff needs to produce if he does get thrown in there, he's less skilled than his twin Marcus, but according to advanced stats he does the little things on the inside way better, so he needs to do all the lunch pail stuff when AD is at the 5.
It is concerning that Kieff isnt even getting garbage mins and we're seeing Dudley getting any sort of burn.
You got to remember that Kieff has had multiple neck problems so easing his body into things is probably smart