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Re: Official trade thread 20-21 edition 

Post#301 » by tamaraw08 » Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:47 pm

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kblo247 wrote:Kuzma was at 21ppg on the year when he got to start when the two guys he shared a position with most the time missed a game in Bron and AD. He shot over 50% in his starts and we went like 7-2. He had no camp, got hurt the first time ever, and still averaged double digits off the bench despite losing 8 minutes and 5 shots a night without ever knowing if he would close or not. I mean we literally made him a swing at all star break when we singed Kieff and he took to guarding the wings of other teams and posted positive numbers. His technique wasn't good, but hiss results were. In round one he had the second best defensive numbers on the team behind Caruso. He was a positive defender versus Houston. And yes we all remmeber him fouling MPJ but we ignore in the actual matchup Kuzma outscored MPJ and held him to the the lower percentage in their one on one encounters. And he had the best defensive numbers of everyone including AD and Bron vs Jimmy in the finals. He even shot 50% from three in the bubble and playoffs out the right corner which people ignore. And for what it is worth Kuz's d rating improved by almost 5 points last year and he had never been coached to play defense short of Pop and Team USA before Vogel last year, on top of playing small 4 most the year before he found a spot he could defend well at the wing

Would I rather see Kuz have an 18 point average with a bunch of 20 and 30 point games? Would I rather he hit 36-40% of hi threes on average? Would I rather he be in a perfect stance like Fox or Artest or Cooper? Hell yeah!!! But he is still more valuable than Rose, half the cost, better defender, better size, and you control his rights.

And I never get why people try to gloss that over with Rose. NY media was getting to him and he went missing and that was one of the reasons they got rid of him. He admitted playing in Cleveland with Wade and Bron was hard, left the team, and got psychological help because of the stress. So you go put LA media, LeBron, LAker fans, and title expectations on him and not expect him to crack up?

I think he would have been a Clipepr, Laker, Sixer, Rocket, or Celtic last year if he did not tell Detroit do not trade me or buy me out, but he was offered an out just like Markieff


Idk if you wanna trade Rose for Kuz or not after this post. I don't see either fit very well on this Lakers side, which needs shooting and elite wing defense.

I wanna trade Kuz for a valuable piece before the trade deadline so we are not stuck with his trade negotiations next summer. D-Rose is not that piece. Kuzma's effort on defense is appreciable, but you want a plumber to fix your pipes, not a electrician who tries really hard.

Kuz is not a top 5 efficient scorer on this reloaded team now(Bron, AD, Schr, Trez, KCP), so the opportunity is only gonna decrease. His offense and defense are below average for the Lakers point blank, and unless his shooting improves drastically, it's not gonna change. If Kuz goes to NY, Chicago, etc and lights it up for 20+ points, he will get a 15-20m contract somewhere pretty easy. We get a PJ Tucker / Holiday kinda vet in return. Works for both.

If we push it under the carpet now, his value plummets even further, as he turns 26 years old and all that hope and excitement about his "potential" dies a slow quiet death.

You both made great arguments. I'm afraid it's just a case of bad fit. Lakers really believed he will pan out that it probably caused them extra picks so they don't throw him to the AD deal. I really thought teaming him up with the veteran Rondo would unleash his potential but...
I think the options are not that many in terms of getting young players who can really help this team, maybe look at other youngsters who also have yet to blossomed. Guys like Kevin Knox or Malik Monk. I like Anfernee Simon from the Blazers but I don't know if the Blazers would even let him go for Kuz, unless they envision him working well with Dame and CJ.
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Re: Official trade thread 20-21 edition 

Post#302 » by loveshaq786 » Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:15 pm

ROballer wrote:Kuzma and McKinnie for Jarrett Culver.

Minnesota has a glaring hole at PF and has too many wings now with Beasley, Edwards, Okogie, Layman, Culver and D'Angelo who will play the two with Rubio on board.

Culver had a dreadful offensive season as a rookie but this kid is an absolute defensive stud. He shot the ball well from 3 in college so there is potential there.
He's the wing defensive stopper that we need.

We'll lose Kuzma for nothing at the end of the season, that's a given. And he's expendable with the resigning of Markieff.

Culver is on his rookie contract for another 4 years basically.
He has a team option after each year, if you absolutely know you're getting a superstar in FA and need the extra money you can get rid of him(Kuzma is gone if we keep him anyway, so you don't lose nothing from the trade), if not he's still got 3 years on his rookie deal.



I like it.... I also suggested kuz and bell for bane and tillman

Maybe we do tillman and mckinney for culver....

OR go with yours ask for a a couple 2nd round picks..flip them with mckinney for bane and keep bell
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Re: Official trade thread 20-21 edition 

Post#303 » by lazybatman » Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:50 pm

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Re: Official trade thread 20-21 edition 

Post#304 » by Spanish_Laker » Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:46 pm

What is Anthony Davis waiting for? Is it really relevant what Giannis does?
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Post#305 » by Beethoven » Sat Nov 28, 2020 3:00 pm

Yeah I hope AD signs w the lakers. I'm having some concerns now.
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Re: Official trade thread 20-21 edition 

Post#306 » by RamonSessions7 » Sat Nov 28, 2020 3:57 pm

Beethoven wrote:Yeah I hope AD signs w the lakers. I'm having some concerns now.

That he’s about to jump ship to some team without cap?
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Post#307 » by snaquille oatmeal » Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:30 pm

Just curious, can the Lakers actually trade the Deng contract?
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Re: Official trade thread 20-21 edition 

Post#308 » by DNP-Old » Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:37 pm

snaquille oatmeal wrote:Just curious, can the Lakers actually trade the Deng contract?


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Re: Official trade thread 20-21 edition 

Post#309 » by Kilroy » Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:36 am

Spanish_Laker wrote:What is Anthony Davis waiting for? Is it really relevant what Giannis does?


Assuming the fact Rich Paul knows everything, and judging from what we've seen so far, I think that's a pretty safe bet...

It would seem like there's really only 2 possibilities...
1. Giannis is actually interested in jumping ship to LA, and they're working out the details of either a full on mind blowing trade (like Unicorn-Riding-a-Mermaid-over-a-rainbow-into-a-leprechaun's-pot'o'gold unlikely), or just both Giannis and AD's contracts...
2. Or, they're just throwing a scare into the rest of the league and letting them believe that may be the case... Because all things considered, if AD has only one signing place, it really doesn't matter when he signs...
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Re: Official trade thread 20-21 edition 

Post#310 » by lazybatman » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:05 am

Not worried about AD coming back at all..

Lebron's got a good relationship with Jeanie and Pelinka, unlike Riley and Dan Gilbert. Almost certainly would've seen Rich Paul drag the KCP signing out into the season and got him a 60m kinda deal out of the Lakers' nose otherwise.

I think they're all in cahoots about whatever the f*ck this is. Been a bit wierd we haven't tied up the reserve spots after the flurry of moves at the beginning of the window. Does AD taking less money move the needle for anything?
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Re: Official trade thread 20-21 edition 

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Re: Official trade thread 20-21 edition 

Post#314 » by stan francisco » Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:08 am

Getting THT traded anywhere is not going to be a popular idea around here. Whom else might you want to pair McKinnie with? Kuz stays.
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Re: Official trade thread 20-21 edition 

Post#315 » by ScHoolBoy B » Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:42 am

Why would Cavs trade for McKinnie when they traded him to us? lol. I highly doubt Allen is leaving, and I see McGee as the odd man out for C minutes with the Cavs.
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Post#316 » by Spens1 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:36 am

I'd look to get Allen but i'd rather we look to trade Kuzma for Allen and maybe another role player or filler.
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Post#317 » by ScHoolBoy B » Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:51 am

If we somehow get Allen for Kuz, I'll crown Rob Pelinka the GOAT.
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Post#318 » by Doug_12 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:44 am

If we trade Kuz for Allen - which the Cavs wouldn't do IMO - then we will have no replacement for Lebron. McKinnie is good for garbage time, but not for close games or for the Playoffs.

As Gasol seems to be fitting in well, we only need a C for like 15 mins, who can cover 7 footers and provides rim protection. Against the vast majority of the teams you don't even need this guy as Gasol and Davis are enough. I think Pelinka's view is that we can get this in the boyout market.

There are some centers out there who can do this and who I can see falling to us (McGee, Dieng or Whiteside for example). So there is no need for a trade. If no one will we manage to get, Dedmon or Mahinmi is still available. For the above defined role both are okay.
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Re: Official trade thread 20-21 edition 

Post#319 » by Slava » Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:09 pm

Why would you trade any value for a center who won't play in the decisive minutes of the playoffs? Just go back and look at the time McGee and Howard got as the playoffs progressed last season. AD will end up playing the 5 and LeBron will play the 4, you just need someone to mop up the minutes in the regular season and Gasol/Harrell are perfectly capable of that.
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Post#320 » by stan francisco » Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:25 pm

We could sure use the center you describe, Doug. I agree with Slava that Kuzma is too big a price to pay for somebody less needed than Kuzma.
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