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Offensive speed
Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 10:57 am
by zimpy27
This is average speed (miles/hour) for when player is in offense (first number) and defense (second number).
Ben McLemore 4.58 4.25
Dennis Schroder 4.58 4.02
Talen Horton-Tucker 4.58 3.91
Alex Caruso 4.51 4.08
Kyle Kuzma 4.47 4.07
Wesley Matthews 4.45 3.96
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope 4.24 4.05
Andre Drummond 4.02 3.96
Montrezl Harrell 3.96 3.84
Markieff Morris 3.93 3.71
LeBron James 3.88 3.29
Marc Gasol 3.82 3.59
Anthony Davis 3.75 3.61
Top offensive average speed in the league belongs to Doug McDermott (5.33) while Davis has the bottom average offensive speed. Lakers had 6 players in the bottom 10 in the league for offense speed.
Last season guys no longer here:
Danny Green 4.82 4.23
Avery Bradley 4.44 4.29
Rajon Rondo 4.42 3.66
JaVale McGee 4.31 3.91
Dwight Howard 4.18 3.78
All these guys have a much higher average offensive speed per position than Laker replacements this season.
This could be the main reason the offense looked so stagnant. Gasol, Harrell, Drummond, Matthews are much slower on offense than last seasons counterparts.
With this in mind, it could be worth going for players that average much higher speeds.
Re: Offensive speed
Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:32 am
by Slava
How do you define offensive speed here? Is it the time taken to either pass or shoot?
Re: Offensive speed
Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:16 pm
by DNP-Old
If this stat determines that Doug McDermott is the best in the NBA, it is probably not a very useful stat.
Re: Offensive speed
Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:44 pm
by zimpy27
Slava wrote:How do you define offensive speed here? Is it the time taken to either pass or shoot?
It's the amount of miles traveled per hour of time in the offense. It's purely player movement.
It's found from NBA video tracking data.
Re: Offensive speed
Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:47 pm
by zimpy27
DNP-Old wrote:If this stat determines that Doug McDermott is the best in the NBA, it is probably not a very useful stat.
It's just tracking miles traveled per hour by a player when their team is in either the offense or defense.
It shows you how actively each player moves around on average.
Doug is a very active mover on offense. Constantly running to get free space.
Re: Offensive speed
Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 12:29 am
by zimpy27
Looks like Cody Zeller, Mike Muscala, Kelly Olynyk, Theis are all good FA options at C for Lakers
Looks like Boucher, Turner, Naz, Markannen are all good trade options for the lakers at C.
Re: Offensive speed
Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:53 am
by Slava
I think the Lakers made a mistake trying to change the playing style and identity on offense so quickly in a season with little to no practice time. Add that to injuries and you have the recipe for disaster. The offense the year before was elite in transition, which is where the offensive speed comes in, and mediocre in half court. The addition of Schröder, Gasol into the starting line up was supposed to fix that. I reckon they’ll realize their mistake and go back to adding players with more foot spread in the coming season.
Re: Offensive speed
Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:59 am
by Pythagoras
zimpy27 wrote:Looks like Cody Zeller, Mike Muscala, Kelly Olynyk, Theis are all good FA options at C for Lakers
Looks like Boucher, Turner, Naz, Markannen are all good trade options for the lakers at C.
I thought Marakannen was a FA?
Re: Offensive speed
Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:55 pm
by Ball so hard
DNP-Old wrote:If this stat determines that Doug McDermott is the best in the NBA, it is probably not a very useful stat.
No single stat tells you how good a player is. This stat by itself probably isn't useful. I certainly wouldn't build my team based on Offensive/Defensive speed.
Re: Offensive speed
Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:15 pm
by zimpy27
Slava wrote:I think the Lakers made a mistake trying to change the playing style and identity on offense so quickly in a season with little to no practice time. Add that to injuries and you have the recipe for disaster. The offense the year before was elite in transition, which is where the offensive speed comes in, and mediocre in half court. The addition of Schröder, Gasol into the starting line up was supposed to fix that. I reckon they’ll realize their mistake and go back to adding players with more foot spread in the coming season.
Yeah, they don't even need quick players, they just need players who are prepared to move on offense. I'm convinced Kuzma got as much run as he did simply because he moves around on offense.
LeBron and Davis are very stagnant, means the other 3 guys sharing the court with them need to be creating more movement. KCP is surprisingly low movement on offense too.
Re: Offensive speed
Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:33 pm
by TylersLakers
Doug McDermott would be one of my top free agent options with the tax-payer MLE. This team needs more shooting gravity and ability to shoot coming off screens.
Re: Offensive speed
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 10:01 am
by lazybatman
We were a 116.1 rated offense with a .788 record before AD's injury. We never had our full squad healthy since, specially the stars.
Can we not just scratch this off as a cursed season and move on, without the need to make wholesale changes to a mostly unhealthy team that was up 2-1 & 10 points in Game 4, before our only fit star went down again, to the current title favorites?
Re: Offensive speed
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:08 am
by Dr Aki
lazybatman wrote:We were a 116.1 rated offense with a .788 record before AD's injury. We never had our full squad healthy since, specially the stars.
Can we not just scratch this off as a cursed season and move on, without the need to make wholesale changes to a mostly unhealthy team that was up 2-1 & 10 points in Game 4, before our only fit star went down again, to the current title favorites?
KCP and Caruso were also on a massive tear that was clearly unsustainable
Re: Offensive speed
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 5:17 pm
by LAKESHOW
I agree, Pelinka is at fault, and got waay ahead of himself and made too many changes. But we must also blame quick turn around injuries. The season came around too quick without proper off season rest.
Re: Offensive speed
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 12:40 am
by lazybatman
Dr Aki wrote:lazybatman wrote:We were a 116.1 rated offense with a .788 record before AD's injury. We never had our full squad healthy since, specially the stars.
Can we not just scratch this off as a cursed season and move on, without the need to make wholesale changes to a mostly unhealthy team that was up 2-1 & 10 points in Game 4, before our only fit star went down again, to the current title favorites?
KCP and Caruso were also on a massive tear that was clearly unsustainable
You think that's why we were 21-6? And that's why why we were about to gentlemen's sweep the Suns?
That's how much you think of this team?
Re: Offensive speed
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 1:30 am
by Dr Aki
lazybatman wrote:Dr Aki wrote:lazybatman wrote:We were a 116.1 rated offense with a .788 record before AD's injury. We never had our full squad healthy since, specially the stars.
Can we not just scratch this off as a cursed season and move on, without the need to make wholesale changes to a mostly unhealthy team that was up 2-1 & 10 points in Game 4, before our only fit star went down again, to the current title favorites?
KCP and Caruso were also on a massive tear that was clearly unsustainable
You think that's why we were 21-6? And that's why why we were about to gentlemen's sweep the Suns?
That's how much you think of this team?
116 offensive treating on the back of 50% 3pt shooting was unsustainable.
Re: Offensive speed
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 2:17 am
by lazybatman
Dr Aki wrote:lazybatman wrote:Dr Aki wrote:
KCP and Caruso were also on a massive tear that was clearly unsustainable
You think that's why we were 21-6? And that's why why we were about to gentlemen's sweep the Suns?
That's how much you think of this team?
116 offensive treating on the back of 50% 3pt shooting was unsustainable.
Sure.. But, AD was never a 100% & we were just beginning to incorporate the 4 new pieces. There was a real chance we would've been even better once we found some continuity.