THT Thread

[Danny Darko]

Be it trade bait, the rumor that someone will literally Arenas max THT, love youth, hate youth... THT is going to be in the news for us until he's starting or moved, so-

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[Danny Darko]

and hell no do I want Westbrooks declining athleticism and consistent crap shooting for him and Kuz or whatever even if I'm game to trade some folks. Look how our young Lakers turned out and this guy has it. We need a future past LBJ, so I'm all in on THT being our future and also a contributor this coming season.

[IgorK]

and hell no do I want Westbrooks declining athleticism and consistent crap shooting for him and Kuz or whatever even if I'm game to trade some folks. Look how our young Lakers turned out and this guy has it. We need a future past LBJ, so I'm all in on THT being our future and also a contributor this coming season.

Westbrook's "declining athleticism" is still better than most of the league, including the young talent. His play-in and playoff run was a triple-double average of 19/10/12 and he was the guy with the greatest motor on the court every game. I don't care about his shooting woes. The guy is an insane competitor who isn't intimidated by anyone. If nothing else, his time in Houston and Washington shows that he's going to be willing to do whatever it takes to help and win.

Now in regards to THT - I think the Lakers have a greater insight into THT's progress than any other team. If they hang on to him, that means they truly see him as something special. If they trade him, that means it's worth whatever we're getting back.

In Rob we trust.

[ROballer]

and hell no do I want Westbrooks declining athleticism and consistent crap shooting for him and Kuz or whatever even if I'm game to trade some folks. Look how our young Lakers turned out and this guy has it. We need a future past LBJ, so I'm all in on THT being our future and also a contributor this coming season.

Yeah, couldn't have said it any better. I'm all in for some trades but if it doesn't work out, I'm more than content in giving THT a boost in usage to see if he can become the 3rd banana we're looking for in the trade scenarios.

If it doesn't work out with that plan, it doesn't work out, simple as that. But you can't pay the guy his MAX and still use him as a role player bench guy. That's just not making any sense, let him go or S&T him because you're doing yourself and him a disservice.
He's got to get his usage, that's the only way you're gonna ever see what you have with him.

If it doesn't work out and he's not the guy you thought he was with a bigger role, he's a perfectly movable asset down the line. There will be plenty of suitors in potential trades.

[BEazy]

IMO THT should be untouchable. This guy is the real deal, just let him develop and he'll be such a difficult guard for anybody.

[Ball so hard]

If THT is our future we're in big trouble. A step further, if THT is one of our top 2 players we're in big trouble. THT is a solid prospect and not a great one. At this point he's becoming very overrated, at least by most Laker fans. He's certainly exceeded expectations relative to where he was drafted. Can we not fool ourselves into thinking he's a top-tier prospect. The main objective should be to win another championship Lebron's window is still open. If THT can get us that third all-star that can help now we should be all over that. I can't help but think about that time we refused to include Bynum in a trade for Kidd... I n the words of the late Mamba, ship his ass out if you can get an impact player right now. Prospects are exactly that - Prospects. I'm against the rumored Westbrook trade due to poor fit. But it's not like current THT is a great fit either. THT+Schröder combined are equally as poor at shooting the 3s as Westbrook. Westbrook is obviously a terrible value due to his contract. Value aside, THT+Schröder does not bring half of what Westbrook brings to the table.

[Kilroy]

If THT is our future we're in big trouble. A step further, if THT is one of our top 2 players we're in big trouble. THT is a solid prospect and not a great one. At this point he's becoming very overrated, at least by most Laker fans. He's certainly exceeded expectations relative to where he was drafted. Can we not fool ourselves into thinking he's a top-tier prospect. The main objective should be to win another championship Lebron's window is still open. If THT can get us that third all-star that can help now we should be all over that. I can't help but think about that time we refused to include Bynum in a trade for Kidd... I n the words of the late Mamba, ship his ass out if you can get an impact player right now. Prospects are exactly that - Prospects. I'm against the rumored Westbrook trade due to poor fit. But it's not like current THT is a great fit either. THT+Schröder combined are equally as poor at shooting the 3s as Westbrook. Westbrook is obviously a terrible value due to his contract. Value aside, THT+Schröder does not bring half of what Westbrook brings to the table.

I don't know what you're stance on the other players were so this isn't a dig at you but the general concept that "________ young laker is over-rated"....

Randle, Ingram, Ball, Clarkson... all those guys were considered over rated and over valued by Lakers fans... Look at them now... And THT is already showing better skills than all of them, and he's still just 19.
The guys everyone on here loved... Kuzma, Nance, etc... Those guys clearly WERE highly over-rated...

THT and Schroder can't get you Westbrook for the simple fact that it would be an ILLEGAL trade... Nothing to do with net present value or anything like that....

There's never been a trade that was as simple as if we trade THT, we get _____ superstar.... The numbers never added up... So the concept that we're holding THT over all options is just juvenile...

Of course you trade THT straight up for Westbrook, or Lowry, or Dame... That's never even been a question though... The issue is, do you throw THT in as trade filler at his current pennies-on-the-dollar contract, or do you hold onto him instead of giving him away for virtually nothing?

So we extend the QO to THT and see what happens... Let the market set his value... I have a feeling a lot of people are going to be surprised by the numbers thrown around... But that's because everyone has been listening to the same haters that ran down Randle and Ingram... But watch... If he gets a crazy number from some team and we don't match, everyone will be talking about how the Lakers let him go for nothing, even though math tells you that's idiotic.

[Ball so hard]

If THT is our future we're in big trouble. A step further, if THT is one of our top 2 players we're in big trouble. THT is a solid prospect and not a great one. At this point he's becoming very overrated, at least by most Laker fans. He's certainly exceeded expectations relative to where he was drafted. Can we not fool ourselves into thinking he's a top-tier prospect. The main objective should be to win another championship Lebron's window is still open. If THT can get us that third all-star that can help now we should be all over that. I can't help but think about that time we refused to include Bynum in a trade for Kidd... I n the words of the late Mamba, ship his ass out if you can get an impact player right now. Prospects are exactly that - Prospects. I'm against the rumored Westbrook trade due to poor fit. But it's not like current THT is a great fit either. THT+Schröder combined are equally as poor at shooting the 3s as Westbrook. Westbrook is obviously a terrible value due to his contract. Value aside, THT+Schröder does not bring half of what Westbrook brings to the table.

I don't know what you're stance on the other players were so this isn't a dig at you but the general concept that "________ young laker is over-rated"....

Randle, Ingram, Ball, Clarkson... all those guys were considered over rated and over valued by Lakers fans... Look at them now... And THT is already showing better skills than all of them, and he's still just 19.
The guys everyone on here loved... Kuzma, Nance, etc... Those guys clearly WERE highly over-rated...

THT and Schroder can't get you Westbrook for the simple fact that it would be an ILLEGAL trade... Nothing to do with net present value or anything like that....

There's never been a trade that was as simple as if we trade THT, we get _____ superstar.... The numbers never added up... So the concept that we're holding THT over all options is just juvenile...

Of course you trade THT straight up for Westbrook, or Lowry, or Dame... That's never even been a question though... The issue is, do you throw THT in as trade filler at his current pennies-on-the-dollar contract, or do you hold onto him instead of giving him away for virtually nothing?

So we extend the QO to THT and see what happens... Let the market set his value... I have a feeling a lot of people are going to be surprised by the numbers thrown around... But that's because everyone has been listening to the same haters that ran down Randle and Ingram... But watch... If he gets a crazy number from some team and we don't match, everyone will be talking about how the Lakers let him go for nothing, even though math tells you that's idiotic.

I don't recall any particular buzz or hype around Ingram, Randle or Ball. I do agree that Clarkson was a bit overrate here. You were one of the few here who were high on Randle and Ingram. To your credit, you regularly defended Randle and Ingram. Ball was very polarizing on this board. IMO none of our first round picks were over-hyped, i.e there was no consensus on whether a player is "the future" or project to be a star. I think the hype primarily has to do with where a player is picked. Incidentally all our late picks, namely Clarkson and THT are overrated IMO.

I don't think THT should be considered a throw-in for any deal. Frankly, he's likely to be the key piece in any trade we make; everyone knows this. THT might be the only player (obviously exclude LBJ and AD) on our roster that is considered an asset. Most of the names being floated around (Turner, Lowry, Brogdon, Westbrook, Derozan, etc.) will require THT.

[wco81]

He's got shot creation skills but he's shot 46/28.5/76.7 in 71 regular season games with 2.6 assists in 20 MPG.

Bit better in the playoffs, though only 6 game sample, 47/30/60.

Can he raise his efficiency?

[ROballer]

It was basically his rookie year aged 19/20 throughout the season. Last year he played like 10-12 games all year, it wasn't a normal rookie year.

He had a long ass leash on him, he was routinely benched at the first sign of a bad play(turnover, skipped asignment on D).

Nontheless, show me another 19-20 year old playing for a contender(we were a contender until the injuries occured) 20 mpg a game, not even considering he was a 40 ish pick in the draft. There aren't many of those around.
The simple fact he was a part of a rotation is impressive and should tell you something about how the Lakers view him.

If you're looking at efficiency, Brandon Ingram had a 40/29/62 season at the same age, putting up way worse stats per minutes played despite being a top 3 pick in the draft. And he was playing for a **** team, it's way easier to put up stats on garbage teams while being showcased, than contending teams in which your role is limited.

How's Ingram's eff and shooting working just about now?


It's appaling to me people are already acting like they know how his career is gonna play out after his 19/20 year old season. With little usage and not big enough role off the bench.

[TyCobb]

The dynasty league turning you into a full time scout now. Beast#

[Danny Darko]

He's got shot creation skills but he's shot 46/28.5/76.7 in 71 regular season games with 2.6 assists in 20 MPG.

Bit better in the playoffs, though only 6 game sample, 47/30/60.

Can he raise his efficiency?

He won't even turn 21 until November. Who knows how good or average he'll wind up being, but most 20 year olds get better.

[wco81]

He's got shot creation skills but he's shot 46/28.5/76.7 in 71 regular season games with 2.6 assists in 20 MPG.

Bit better in the playoffs, though only 6 game sample, 47/30/60.

Can he raise his efficiency?

He won't even turn 21 until November. Who knows how good or average he'll wind up being, but most 20 year olds get better.

I’m not saying he can’t improve, just reporting on what it is.

Is he a RFA meaning he can get offer sheets? Or other teams can’t try to sign him this offseason?

[Freighttrain]

I'm sorry but THT is not the future of the Lakers cmon now let's be real. At tops, he'll be an all-star level player which is great but barely gets you in the playoffs anyway. We rather need to surround AD with as much help as possible, an actual All-NBA guy in his prime and a top 5 player when healthy. Him and THT are not on the same timeline. We could hold off on a trade depending on the value, but THT is by no means untouchable. He isn't Tatum or some sorts at his age.

[Up-And-Coming]

He's got shot creation skills but he's shot 46/28.5/76.7 in 71 regular season games with 2.6 assists in 20 MPG.

Bit better in the playoffs, though only 6 game sample, 47/30/60.

Can he raise his efficiency?

He won't even turn 21 until November. Who knows how good or average he'll wind up being, but most 20 year olds get better.

I’m not saying he can’t improve, just reporting on what it is.

Is he a RFA meaning he can get offer sheets? Or other teams can’t try to sign him this offseason?

He's a RFA. THT was drafted at 18 years old (was actually younger than Ingram when he came into the league) and he is able to create his own shot just as good as our most touted recent lottery picks at that age. What gives me hope in his jump shot is that for the majority of this past season he shot +80% from the free throw line (he's also capable of drawing several fouls) and his form looks good. He needs more reps and experience.

[Kilroy]

Also, THT's biggest intangible is he's fearless... He has no problem walking up to the free throw line and draining shots when they count the most, he wants the ball in his hands as the time runs down, and he has no problem taking that last second 3... He's not too bad at it either, even at his age... Those are things you can't teach.
He's going to be a monster in this league. Maybe not a top 5 or 10 player, but a guy every winning team is going to want on their team.
And it's going to happen within the next 2 seasons.

[Showtime:Part2]

Lol it’s mind boggling there are some on this board who would refute matching any offer in rfa for tht. Whether we trade him depends on the target in question…. Westbrook, I pass

[MAMBAEMD]

THT is a gifted scorer, and he is improving all the time in that regard.
he will be an offensive weapon in a year or two if not before.
He is a great finisher near the rim, and very good from mid-range, and not afraid to step back and take a 3.
What I love about his game is that he is not afraid to take it to the rim no matter who's there defending.

I did not want him to be a part of the rumored Lowry trade at the deadline, and frankly, I still don't.
If he is part of a trade package this offseason, it better be something special that is coming back.

[BEazy]

Talen Horton-Tucker is an 18 years old, 6'4” guard with a 7'1” wingspan and 9.75” hands. He has the same hands size as Kawhi Leonard (9.75”) and a longer wingspan than Thanasis Antetokounmpo (7'0”). Lakers got a physical specimen at 46th!

His plus 10-foot-3/4 wingspan differential ranks among the top marks in basketball history and suits the unique role he filled for stretches as a guard on offense and power forward on defense within Iowa State’s high-powered scheme

https://cyclonefanatic.com/2019/05/horton-tuckers-measurements-turn-heads-at-nba-combine/

You just don't trade this type of talent away unless it's for a top 10 player IMO.

[iamworthy]

It was basically his rookie year aged 19/20 throughout the season. Last year he played like 10-12 games all year, it wasn't a normal rookie year.

He had a long ass leash on him, he was routinely benched at the first sign of a bad play(turnover, skipped asignment on D).

Nontheless, show me another 19-20 year old playing for a contender(we were a contender until the injuries occured) 20 mpg a game, not even considering he was a 40 ish pick in the draft. There aren't many of those around.
The simple fact he was a part of a rotation is impressive and should tell you something about how the Lakers view him.

If you're looking at efficiency, Brandon Ingram had a 40/29/62 season at the same age, putting up way worse stats per minutes played despite being a top 3 pick in the draft. And he was playing for a **** team, it's way easier to put up stats on garbage teams while being showcased, than contending teams in which your role is limited.

How's Ingram's eff and shooting working just about now?


It's appaling to me people are already acting like they know how his career is gonna play out after his 19/20 year old season. With little usage and not big enough role off the bench.

Um excuse you, I do know how his career ous going to be. He's going to be a multiple time all-star and a key component in the future with the AD led Lakers.