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For those of you who can bother to do the research OR already know.


Q) What's the oldest team in history to ever win the champion ship on average??

Both Non Lakers team and Lakers teams

Just don't understand why Lakers wanted to put together this old team, when everyone else is getting younger and sort of smarter LOL and especially when we/Lakers already tried this with Malone/Rodman etc

Why did we put together this team? Simple. There are no truly experienced basketball minds in the entire organization anymore. Pelinka is an agent for all intents and purposes. It was a swing for the fence move.... not unlike the Nash trade.

As for the age of teams winning... average age isn't important... numbers of games played by the core group is. A lot of championship teams over the years have had "hangers-on" at the end of the bench who'd drag their average age up while they play no minutes (Mitch Richmond anyone?).

Age is one issue we have but then again the guy hurt is one of the younger guys on the team. Our problem has to do with gathering players who all play the same game and expecting that 2 of them change dramatically. Asking either Bron or Westbrook to play without the ball is at the core of our problem. We got rid of guys who had roles they were comfortable with for a guy who has stats. It's like we were building a fantasy team or a video game.

This team needs to build around a true President of Basketball Operations that's been in the personnel business for a lot longer than our guy.... We will be in such a deep hole come next offseason that we will need a long term rebuild from the ground up.

That's my hope.... but my guess is that we see Bron re-signed in 18 months and yet another swing with vets and Bros.... I'm sure CP3 will be one of them... We'll probably trade more 1sts in that swing for the fences as well.

Landsberger wrote:Why did we put together this team? Simple. There are no truly experienced basketball minds in the entire organization anymore. Pelinka is an agent for all intents and purposes. It was a swing for the fence move.... not unlike the Nash trade.

As for the age of teams winning... average age isn't important... numbers of games played by the core group is. A lot of championship teams over the years have had "hangers-on" at the end of the bench who'd drag their average age up while they play no minutes (Mitch Richmond anyone?).

Age is one issue we have but then again the guy hurt is one of the younger guys on the team. Our problem has to do with gathering players who all play the same game and expecting that 2 of them change dramatically. Asking either Bron or Westbrook to play without the ball is at the core of our problem. We got rid of guys who had roles they were comfortable with for a guy who has stats. It's like we were building a fantasy team or a video game.

This team needs to build around a true President of Basketball Operations that's been in the personnel business for a lot longer than our guy.... We will be in such a deep hole come next offseason that we will need a long term rebuild from the ground up.

That's my hope.... but my guess is that we see Bron re-signed in 18 months and yet another swing with vets and Bros.... I'm sure CP3 will be one of them... We'll probably trade more 1sts in that swing for the fences as well.

Lebron will turn 37 in 2 days, yes Kobe played at that age but he also missed a ton of games for 2 years before that final year.
Lakers offense crumbled whenever James was not the floor the past 2 seasons and he has been missing games due to various injuries, hence they made the decision to recruit another play-maker/shot creator. It was reported that Lebron tried to recruit Lillard but he declined the offer. I never wanted Westbrook but I understood the objective behind it.
The hope was James could sit 20+ games while Russ carry the offense, recruit 40% 3pt shooters like Melo, Ellington, Monk to spread the floor while AD plays center to erase their defensive liabilities/mistakes at the same time Davis lurks from 18 feet to create driving lanes for Westbrook.
They brought back so-called rim protectors like Howard and DJ failing to realized that Jordan has been terrible the past 4 years. They swung for the fences bec James has been declining and yet Jeannie didn't want to pay the huge tax price tag for keeping Caruso while choosing 20 year old in the hope that he'll be good enough to fill the future deficiencies of Lebron. Then the series of unfortunate events happpened.
good defender Ariza and 3pt threat Nunn out.
Lebron missed several games.
AD struggles to make perimeter shots.
Westbrook commits 6 turnover or more.
Then right after winning 3 games, they lose 4-5 decent players bec of covid protocol.
Wow, were they serious contenders if most of these situations didn't happened? probably not, but again the hope was Davis gets healthy enough to dominate the way he did vs the Suns while James shoots 38% from 3.

tamaraw08 wrote:

Landsberger wrote:Why did we put together this team? Simple. There are no truly experienced basketball minds in the entire organization anymore. Pelinka is an agent for all intents and purposes. It was a swing for the fence move.... not unlike the Nash trade.

As for the age of teams winning... average age isn't important... numbers of games played by the core group is. A lot of championship teams over the years have had "hangers-on" at the end of the bench who'd drag their average age up while they play no minutes (Mitch Richmond anyone?).

Age is one issue we have but then again the guy hurt is one of the younger guys on the team. Our problem has to do with gathering players who all play the same game and expecting that 2 of them change dramatically. Asking either Bron or Westbrook to play without the ball is at the core of our problem. We got rid of guys who had roles they were comfortable with for a guy who has stats. It's like we were building a fantasy team or a video game.

This team needs to build around a true President of Basketball Operations that's been in the personnel business for a lot longer than our guy.... We will be in such a deep hole come next offseason that we will need a long term rebuild from the ground up.

That's my hope.... but my guess is that we see Bron re-signed in 18 months and yet another swing with vets and Bros.... I'm sure CP3 will be one of them... We'll probably trade more 1sts in that swing for the fences as well.

Lebron will turn 37 in 2 days, yes Kobe played at that age but he also missed a ton of games for 2 years before that final year.
Lakers offense crumbled whenever James was not the floor the past 2 seasons and he has been missing games due to various injuries, hence they made the decision to recruit another play-maker/shot creator. It was reported that Lebron tried to recruit Lillard but he declined the offer. I never wanted Westbrook but I understood the objective behind it.
The hope was James could sit 20+ games while Russ carry the offense, recruit 40% 3pt shooters like Melo, Ellington, Monk to spread the floor while AD plays center to erase their defensive liabilities/mistakes at the same time Davis lurks from 18 feet to create driving lanes for Westbrook.
They brought back so-called rim protectors like Howard and DJ failing to realized that Jordan has been terrible the past 4 years. They swung for the fences bec James has been declining and yet Jeannie didn't want to pay the huge tax price tag for keeping Caruso while choosing 20 year old in the hope that he'll be good enough to fill the future deficiencies of Lebron. Then the series of unfortunate events happpened.
good defender Ariza and 3pt threat Nunn out.
Lebron missed several games.
AD struggles to make perimeter shots.
Westbrook commits 6 turnover or more.
Then right after winning 3 games, they lose 4-5 decent players bec of covid protocol.
Wow, were they serious contenders if most of these situations didn't happened? probably not, but again the hope was Davis gets healthy enough to dominate the way he did vs the Suns while James shoots 38% from 3.

So the results speak for themselves. The injuries are predictable for this group. Look at the history's for the guys who are injured. It's not a surprise. Adding Westbrook so Bron could rest 20 games isn't the reason he was added.... at least I hope not. This ignores the other 60 games they play together and its impact on the team.

LeBron isn't going to age gracefully. The greats never do. No matter who we have on this team LeBron will dominate the ball in what he considered the critical situations. The players we had last year fill in around him much better than the ones we have now. I don't like our "critical situation offense" at all but it is what it is. Bron, pick and roll late in the clock and a pass to someone at the end of the clock to shoot a contested 3 or Bron takes it to the hoop. As he's gotten older we are also seeing the 35' 3 point attempts as well. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

Let me put it this way.... if we had a true GM at the helm and Bron had stayed in his lane, I believe we'd be in a much better spot with personnel and in the standings. Champ material? Probably not.... in the decade long hole this and next year will leave us in.... certainly not. Bron has no regard whatsoever for the long term outlook for the team and why would he. It's this year and next then off to what ever it is that he does other than basketball.

Landsberger wrote:

tamaraw08 wrote:

Landsberger wrote:Why did we put together this team? Simple. There are no truly experienced basketball minds in the entire organization anymore. Pelinka is an agent for all intents and purposes. It was a swing for the fence move.... not unlike the Nash trade.

As for the age of teams winning... average age isn't important... numbers of games played by the core group is. A lot of championship teams over the years have had "hangers-on" at the end of the bench who'd drag their average age up while they play no minutes (Mitch Richmond anyone?).

Age is one issue we have but then again the guy hurt is one of the younger guys on the team. Our problem has to do with gathering players who all play the same game and expecting that 2 of them change dramatically. Asking either Bron or Westbrook to play without the ball is at the core of our problem. We got rid of guys who had roles they were comfortable with for a guy who has stats. It's like we were building a fantasy team or a video game.

This team needs to build around a true President of Basketball Operations that's been in the personnel business for a lot longer than our guy.... We will be in such a deep hole come next offseason that we will need a long term rebuild from the ground up.

That's my hope.... but my guess is that we see Bron re-signed in 18 months and yet another swing with vets and Bros.... I'm sure CP3 will be one of them... We'll probably trade more 1sts in that swing for the fences as well.

Lebron will turn 37 in 2 days, yes Kobe played at that age but he also missed a ton of games for 2 years before that final year.
Lakers offense crumbled whenever James was not the floor the past 2 seasons and he has been missing games due to various injuries, hence they made the decision to recruit another play-maker/shot creator. It was reported that Lebron tried to recruit Lillard but he declined the offer. I never wanted Westbrook but I understood the objective behind it.
The hope was James could sit 20+ games while Russ carry the offense, recruit 40% 3pt shooters like Melo, Ellington, Monk to spread the floor while AD plays center to erase their defensive liabilities/mistakes at the same time Davis lurks from 18 feet to create driving lanes for Westbrook.
They brought back so-called rim protectors like Howard and DJ failing to realized that Jordan has been terrible the past 4 years. They swung for the fences bec James has been declining and yet Jeannie didn't want to pay the huge tax price tag for keeping Caruso while choosing 20 year old in the hope that he'll be good enough to fill the future deficiencies of Lebron. Then the series of unfortunate events happpened.
good defender Ariza and 3pt threat Nunn out.
Lebron missed several games.
AD struggles to make perimeter shots.
Westbrook commits 6 turnover or more.
Then right after winning 3 games, they lose 4-5 decent players bec of covid protocol.
Wow, were they serious contenders if most of these situations didn't happened? probably not, but again the hope was Davis gets healthy enough to dominate the way he did vs the Suns while James shoots 38% from 3.

So the results speak for themselves. The injuries are predictable for this group. Look at the history's for the guys who are injured. It's not a surprise. Adding Westbrook so Bron could rest 20 games isn't the reason he was added.... at least I hope not. This ignores the other 60 games they play together and its impact on the team.

LeBron isn't going to age gracefully. The greats never do. No matter who we have on this team LeBron will dominate the ball in what he considered the critical situations. The players we had last year fill in around him much better than the ones we have now. I don't like our "critical situation offense" at all but it is what it is. Bron, pick and roll late in the clock and a pass to someone at the end of the clock to shoot a contested 3 or Bron takes it to the hoop. As he's gotten older we are also seeing the 35' 3 point attempts as well. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

Let me put it this way.... if we had a true GM at the helm and Bron had stayed in his lane, I believe we'd be in a much better spot with personnel and in the standings. Champ material? Probably not.... in the decade long hole this and next year will leave us in.... certainly not. Bron has no regard whatsoever for the long term outlook for the team and why would he. It's this year and next then off to what ever it is that he does other than basketball.

First year here, the AGING Lebron missed 27 games. The following year yes he barely missed anything but bare in mind that there was a 5+ month covid break where he came back fresh, never travelled to other cities.
That season Lakers were a +9 pts with him and minus 1 without him. My logic was telling me it made sense to just keep everybody for next season but I'm guessing James and Rob knew there would NOT be another 5 month break where Lebron can rest plus Danny Green didn't exactly shoot great in the playoffs and so they looked for another creator/playmaker and traded him for Schroder.
Dennis wasn't that bad but was making demands like wanting to start, rejecting the extension offer then filming himself with family going out during the isolation mandate. He also laid an egg when the Lakers badly needed him after the AD injury even with Lebron playing.
It made sense that it's going to be a problem putting 2 ball dominant players together but Miami made it work with Lebron and Wade surrounding them with shooters. But the huge difference was having a great 3&D Battier while the several teammates were shooting above 40% from 3 and of course James was 10 years younger.