Fire Pelinka

[LAKESHOW]

Immediately

[Landsberger]

Fire the Owners..... They can take Pelinka with them....

If the Buss Family fires Pelinka we will want him back in a year after we see who they will replace him with. No reason to support the nepotism any longer. We need an owner who isn't living off the team.

[Beethoven]

I dont get it. I like Pelinka. A team needs an aggressive hard working general manager to make things happen. Albeit in the wrong direction this year, however, lot of you guys were bemoaning the lack of movement that ultra conservative mitch Kupchak would have over the team in terms of any directions. We never got anywhere w that guy. Pelinka along with Magic and the whole Front office got us Lebron and a championship and each year we had tweaked and experimented that would best befit the team but this year didnt work out, but last year definitely it was due to injuries. If AD and Lebron did not get hurt we steamroll over suns and perhaps meet the Bucks in the finals.

[Slava]

I hope the Busses sell the team to the Dodgers ownership. That’s our only hope to get a professional front office set up.

[tamaraw08]

Fire the Owners..... They can take Pelinka with them....

If the Buss Family fires Pelinka we will want him back in a year after we see who they will replace him with. No reason to support the nepotism any longer. We need an owner who isn't living off the team.

If all the reports about the Buss family are true, that they decided not to retain Caruso just to save $ (would still be 3rd in payroll, not first or 2nd),
They also decided NOT offer a decent contract to a veteran coach who could have helped Vogel significantly at the bench, instead they went cheap and hired an inexperienced shooting coach to help strategize.
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2022/3/5/22963177/nba-rumors-frank-vogel-wanted-scott-brooks-coaching-staff-lakers-got-outbid-by-trail-blazers

Would Brooks have fixed all of that? It’s kind of doubtful, but it seems unlikely that having him around could have hurt. And as Lakers insider Dave McMenamin of ESPN pointed out in the same “The Woj Pod” referenced above, the larger theme from all these reports and missteps is the Lakers not being committed to spending everything it takes to give themselves the best chance to win

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And said no to get Christian Wood because they don't want to take in more salary (a bargain at 13 mil for 18pts/10 rebs/37% from 3 which expires in 2023 anyway),

Lakers reportedly turned down John Wall, Christian Wood trade because of increased luxury tax

https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2022/2/15/22935065/lakers-christian-wood-john-wall-russell-westbrook-trade-deadline-rumors-report-rob-pelinka
then Jeannie needs to sell the team to an owner with much deeper pockets. Not only do they need to just have the wherewithal to spend, but the owners also must need to be devoted to fully commit into do everything necessary to construct the best team possible.

[Kilroy]

I hope the Busses sell the team to the Dodgers ownership. That’s our only hope to get a professional front office set up.

If we did that, wouldn't it basically mean Magic as GM? He's a part of the Dodgers ownership group and you'd have to figure, they'd lean heavily on him with the Lakers...

For the record, I wouldn't mind that... That said, as a Dodger fan, I think the team has been built to be just good enough to be exciting and not actually win the series... I actually think that team needs new on field leadership too... Dave Roberts needs to go, but the optics would be bad...
The Dodgers are a team with a pitching problem and have been for about 4 years, outside of the championship season...

[chefy]

Should’ve been fired when he fck d up the 2019 free agency

[Slava]

I hope the Busses sell the team to the Dodgers ownership. That’s our only hope to get a professional front office set up.

If we did that, wouldn't it basically mean Magic as GM? He's a part of the Dodgers ownership group and you'd have to figure, they'd lean heavily on him with the Lakers...

For the record, I wouldn't mind that... That said, as a Dodger fan, I think the team has been built to be just good enough to be exciting and not actually win the series... I actually think that team needs new on field leadership too... Dave Roberts needs to go, but the optics would be bad...
The Dodgers are a team with a pitching problem and have been for about 4 years, outside of the championship season...

They seem to have deeper pockets as they already own the 27% share that AEG had in the lakers and they appear professional enough to hire competent sports people to run that wide of things rather than empower friends and family. They also seem to have designs of owning a bigger share of the Los Angeles sports marketplace. I think Magic had his experience as an executive and hated every minute of it, plus he’s highly insecure about criticism and wouldn’t stand a single losing season like the current situation.

[wco81]

If they Lakers went up for sale, they'd attract potential owners from all over the world, so no need to just limit to LA.

They'd get $2-3 billion. Much more if they owned the arena and had chances to make non BRI revenues from concerts and such that they wouldn't have to share with the league.

But Ballmer seems to be going hard on that already with non BRI money from concerts so maybe it's already too late for that strategy.


Potentially they could sell off small pieces to people with deep pockets, so that they still have controlling interest.

But if they depend on the team for income, they may not want to share with minority partners.

OTOH, $3 billion would generate plenty of income for the family. But they wouldn't get owners box tickets nor the love from the fans. They'd just be another rich family, not the owners of the beloved Lakers.


The other thing to keep in mind, NBA is trying to negotiate a new TV deal which would be more than 3X the money of the current deal, which runs through 2023 or 2024 season.

NFL got a 3X increase so the NBA is trying to get it too, though it may be more difficult with the pandemic and loss of Chinese TV money.

If they get it, not only a big increase in the salary cap but more TV money for owners.

Of course every team will have more cap space to bid up players so that doesn't necessarily improve the willingness of owners to spend or pay luxury taxes -- there will probably be a new CBA after they get a new TV deal, so for all we know, luxury taxes are replaced by something else.

But it would also fetch more money from a sale too.

[tamaraw08]

I hope the Busses sell the team to the Dodgers ownership. That’s our only hope to get a professional front office set up.

If we did that, wouldn't it basically mean Magic as GM? He's a part of the Dodgers ownership group and you'd have to figure, they'd lean heavily on him with the Lakers...

For the record, I wouldn't mind that... That said, as a Dodger fan, I think the team has been built to be just good enough to be exciting and not actually win the series... I actually think that team needs new on field leadership too... Dave Roberts needs to go, but the optics would be bad...
The Dodgers are a team with a pitching problem and have been for about 4 years, outside of the championship season...

They seem to have deeper pockets as they already own the 27% share that AEG had in the lakers and they appear professional enough to hire competent sports people to run that wide of things rather than empower friends and family. They also seem to have designs of owning a bigger share of the Los Angeles sports marketplace. I think Magic had his experience as an executive and hated every minute of it, plus he’s highly insecure about criticism and wouldn’t stand a single losing season like the current situation.

I Think also hated being punished for talking to and about other players, I am betting he is getting paid unofficially as an adviser

[BEazy]

I hate to admit this, but if the recent Jake Fischer report is true and Pelinka was hesitant in offering a second round pick in the potential Lakers/Raptors/Knicks deal then Pelinka has no business being the GM of the Los Angeles Lakers. That trade could of helped now and in the future. Cam Reddish and Alec Burks would of helped tremendously.

As for Jeanie, I've had a problem with her for a while now. She keeps on hiring her BFFs and the stench of nepotism in Laker land is downright disgusting. Linda freaking Rambis should NOT have this much power in one of the most recognized teams in all of sports. Kurt Rambis is a freaking disaster as well. Both of these morons have no credentials or merit to deserve such power within the organization. It also doesn't help with Jeanie going cheapo as well. If Dr. Buss was still alive, he would of kicked her out of position a long time ago with Jimbo Buss...

[slifersd]

Firing Pelinka just means we are going to get another friend or family member hire for that position. Jeanie, for some reason, wants to run this multi billion franchise like a local convenient store. Until either she sells or changes her way of operating, this kind of garbage is going to happen again and again and again.

[tamaraw08]

Firing Pelinka just means we are going to get another friend or family member hire for that position. Jeanie, for some reason, wants to run this multi billion franchise like a local convenient store. Until either she sells or changes her way of operating, this kind of garbage is going to happen again and again and again.

I really want to know how much is Jeannie paying herself, Linda and Kurt Rambis?
What is her and the whole family's price, for selling their ownership to potential owners who have the means to actually not hold back their spending because they are too worried in paying the luxury taxes?
Unless it changed but to my understanding coaches' salaries do NOT count to the team's salary cap and yet they refused to hire competent assistants because they felt they are too expensive.

[sonnyhill]

And replace him (Pelinka) with whom?

Also, who would make the front office decision to fire Rob?
Jeanie?
Team Rambis?
Magic?

Does the franchise even have the financial ability to attract-and-pay for a top-notch front office and coaching staff?

Read this: https://clutchpoints.com/clippers-news-tyronn-lue-takes-dig-at-lakers-over-their-offer-to-coach-lebron-james-again/

Clippers’ Tyronn Lue takes dig at Lakers over their offer to coach LeBron James again
by Quinn Allen March 22, 2022

Tyronn Lue has done a phenomenal job in charge of the Los Angeles Clippers across the last few years. While they haven’t reached their title aspirations, the organization is making a name for themselves, even when Paul George and Kawhi Leonard aren’t on the floor.

Of course, Lue isn’t any stranger to coaching on the big stage. He led the Cleveland Cavaliers to the most epic comeback in NBA Finals history in 2016, overcoming a 3-1 deficit against the Golden State Warriors. Problem is, LeBron James gets most of the credit for it, not the Clippers HC, which does bother him.

“LeBron’s been in the league, what, 18 years?” Lue says. “He won four championships. So that don’t mean you’re automatically going to win because you have LeBron James. So I do coach with a chip on my shoulder because, like people say, ‘Oh, he can’t do it without LeBron. He can’t …'”

Funny enough, the Los Angeles Lakers actually tried to pluck the Clippers boss in 2019, interviewing him for the head coaching job. But, they offered him a deal worth just $18 million across three years, a much lower figure than his deal in Cleveland. Lue saw it as the Lakers taking advantage of him and essentially giving him a chance to coach LeBron again over anything else:

“The Lakers [saw it] more so as like [I’m just] coming to coach LeBron,” Lue said. “No, I’m coming to win. I just didn’t think I was treated fairly. And I wasn’t just going to accept any offer just to get a job.

“I just thought I was better than that.”

Lue is proving that he can coach at a high level without The King. The Clippers are currently above the Lakers in the standings, despite rolling with six different rotational pieces who are 25 years old or younger. Just like Erik Spoelstra has done in Miami, Ty Lue is coming out of LeBron’s shadow.

[SlimShady83]

He will be gone next season.

No one getting fired this season, It will be all In the offseason.

[danfantastk32]

He will be gone next season.

No one getting fired this season, It will be all In the offseason.

I think Vogel gets the can this offseason, and that'll be it. This team won the title 2 years ago.

Look.....everyone from Jeanie to John Ireland in the organization bought into Russ. Russ convinced himself he could work with Lebron and AD...and they bought in, and went back to the Lakers with their grand plan, and gave this the big "thumbs up".

There's all this "someone has to pay" going on.....honestly, they swung for the fences, and struck out. I think Pelinka did an admirable job considering his options after Westbrook came. I think Vogel was handed a dead horse, and was asked to win a race. Is anyone REALLY disappointed in Vogels job this season? You've got two of the biggest ballhog "cancers" who couldn't even spell Dfence, much less play it, showing up. Then you shipped out all the guys that did the non-sexy work....and it's the coaches fault they can't / don't play D?

I'm not saying Pelinka is this great GM, and I personally like Vogel....but he's hardly a legendary coach. But it's just insane that they all of a sudden suck at their jobs. I dunno....everyone seemed pretty happy with their work not too long ago.

Unfortunately the name of the game in sports these days is "fire the coach" ....so I anticipate that Vogel will get the can. But I doubt very much that Pelinka will. This was not his call, and Jeanie / Lebron know it.

[danfantastk32]

I know there are people who never liked Pelinka. That's fine with me....free country and all that. If you don't like him, and never did, then whatever...this season is just more fuel. There's no changing your mind, and you may very well have good, valid reasons.

But this team did just win a title. So the owner...the GM...the coach, all that, got the job done. So they aren't crap.

Been a painful year, and despite my defending these guys....I'm incredibly disappointed, as it was super obvious that Westbrook was a looser (as far as fit goes). The guy can't shoot. Doesn't play D...and dominates the ball. HORRIBLE fit with Lebron. One of the worst fits I can think of. And how many teams does Melo have to goto before people realize he doesn't make anyone better?

But management bought in...and went for it. Can't fault them for trying. A giant mistake was made. And as obvious as I thought it was, I also thought it was obvious that Nash joining was a horrible idea. Never mind his back......the guy was a terrible fit next to Kobe. There was no way he was gonna have the ball and run his offense on Kobe's team. But guess who said it would work, and went on about how he never deferred before because he never had anyone of Nash's caliber beside him?? That's right....Kobe.

Guy's lie to themselves all the time. Well....our FO gave away 3-first rounders for Nash. One for each minute he played for us. And during those 3 minutes he did play, he was like a fish outa water hanging out by the 3-point line, while Kobe did his thing.

So sh** happens. Sucks, but that's life when you're swinging for the fences. The Lakers felt they had a chance to keep Kobe happy. Somehow they managed to trade Bynum for Dwight...and traded for Nash...all while keeping Kobe and Gasol. The team was a flop. A total disaster....and Dwight walked, and it all went to hell....but again...you gotta admit that was some fine GM work there by Mitch. The title was all but handed to us before the season started.

Point is.....if you want a homerun hitter as a GM, your gonna have to accept a few embarrassing whiffs from time to time. It doesn't mean the guy sucks.

[aaron_gray]

I dont get it. I like Pelinka. A team needs an aggressive hard working general manager to make things happen. Albeit in the wrong direction this year, however, lot of you guys were bemoaning the lack of movement that ultra conservative mitch Kupchak would have over the team in terms of any directions. We never got anywhere w that guy. Pelinka along with Magic and the whole Front office got us Lebron and a championship and each year we had tweaked and experimented that would best befit the team but this year didnt work out, but last year definitely it was due to injuries. If AD and Lebron did not get hurt we steamroll over suns and perhaps meet the Bucks in the finals.

Saying Pelinka and Magic deserve all the credit somewhat ignores the previous front office that accumulated all the assets used for the AD trade, as well as the obvious draws related to the Lakers franchise.

Pelinka won a championship. Mitch won 7 championships as an executive. Both have made huge recruitment mistakes that data guys wouldn't have even sniffed (good ol Mozgov / Deng).

Also, the next GM can be just as aggressive as Pelinka - it's not a special trait that only he has.

[LAL1947]

Keep Pelinka. Fire Lebron/Klutch. Close thread.

We have a massive rebuild coming up. This is not the time to entertain silly thoughts like firing one of the best and hardest working GMs in the league.

[LAKESHOW]

Best and hardest working? How hard is it to agree and sign off on Lebrons recruiting demands