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Most people in GF would have us believe we dont have draft picks forever (exaggeration)

It appears we only owe 1 more pick to NO. And 2 swaps. We would still have a FRP in the swap years.

https://lakersnation.com/lakers-future-first-and-second-round-draft-picks/


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AmusingFiddle wrote:Most people in GF would have us believe we dont have draft picks forever (exaggeration)

It appears we only owe 1 more pick to NO. And 2 swaps. We would still have a FRP in the swap years.

https://lakersnation.com/lakers-future-first-and-second-round-draft-picks/

If we give away the 2027 and 2029 firsts for players who are not stars (like Hield and Turner), then we lose a lot of draft + trade flexibility in the future. It's just not worth it in my opinion.

LAL1947 wrote:

AmusingFiddle wrote:Most people in GF would have us believe we dont have draft picks forever (exaggeration)

It appears we only owe 1 more pick to NO. And 2 swaps. We would still have a FRP in the swap years.

https://lakersnation.com/lakers-future-first-and-second-round-draft-picks/

If we give away the 2027 and 2029 firsts for players who are not stars (like Hield and Turner), then we lose a lot of draft + trade flexibility in the future. It's just not worth it in my opinion.

Very easy to say stay put and not trade those picks if Lebron is 27 and not 37. I can't see him performing at a very high level next season for like 60 games, so they are wasting a full year if they don't land good players who can help them contend this year. The question is, if Hield and Turner can truly help them contend this year?
Have they asked Darvin Ham if he can TRULY maximize these guys strengths and mask their weaknesses? Not sure if Buddy can defend decently but if he can, I think it can be worth it IMO.
I understand to a certain point the value of keeping picks esp to find talent but there are other ways like getting a great training staff to find and develop players from the G-League just like what the Spurs did before and Miami currently. Heat have found those gems like Nunn, Robinson, Struss etc. On the other hand Lakers drafted Randle at 8th and just let him walk for nothing. They found Caruso and let him walk too.... so....
btw, OKC just lured away arguably the best shot doctor in the league from San Antonio. Lakers have been struggling big time from the perimeter the past several years and they could have used Chip Engelland to help but I guess they were too busy firing good workers like Judy Seto.

tamaraw08 wrote:

LAL1947 wrote:

AmusingFiddle wrote:Most people in GF would have us believe we dont have draft picks forever (exaggeration)

It appears we only owe 1 more pick to NO. And 2 swaps. We would still have a FRP in the swap years.

https://lakersnation.com/lakers-future-first-and-second-round-draft-picks/

If we give away the 2027 and 2029 firsts for players who are not stars (like Hield and Turner), then we lose a lot of draft + trade flexibility in the future. It's just not worth it in my opinion.

Very easy to say stay put and not trade those picks if Lebron is 27 and not 37. I can't see him performing at a very high level next season for like 60 games, so they are wasting a full year if they don't land good players who can help them contend this year. The question is, if Hield and Turner can truly help them contend this year?
Have they asked Darvin Ham if he can TRULY maximize these guys strengths and mask their weaknesses? Not sure if Buddy can defend decently but if he can, I think it can be worth it IMO.
I understand to a certain point the value of keeping picks esp to find talent but there are other ways like getting a great training staff to find and develop players from the G-League just like what the Spurs did before and Miami currently. Heat have found those gems like Nunn, Robinson, Struss etc. On the other hand Lakers drafted Randle at 8th and just let him walk for nothing. They found Caruso and let him walk too.... so....
btw, OKC just lured away arguably the best shot doctor in the league from San Antonio. Lakers have been struggling big time from the perimeter the past several years and they could have used Chip Engelland to help but I guess they were too busy firing good workers like Judy Seto.

Yeah, I hate burning draft picks but the Lakers hemorrhaging young talent and getting little in return annoys me way the hell more. Beyond the names you mentioned, I think the Lakers could have hung on to either Ball or Hart in the Anthony Davis deal.

It’s why I’m against including THT in a trade. He was hurt by Russ’s presence as much as anything, and he can still develop into a very solid role player for the team.

Pythagoras wrote:

tamaraw08 wrote:

LAL1947 wrote:If we give away the 2027 and 2029 firsts for players who are not stars (like Hield and Turner), then we lose a lot of draft + trade flexibility in the future. It's just not worth it in my opinion.

Very easy to say stay put and not trade those picks if Lebron is 27 and not 37. I can't see him performing at a very high level next season for like 60 games, so they are wasting a full year if they don't land good players who can help them contend this year. The question is, if Hield and Turner can truly help them contend this year?
Have they asked Darvin Ham if he can TRULY maximize these guys strengths and mask their weaknesses? Not sure if Buddy can defend decently but if he can, I think it can be worth it IMO.
I understand to a certain point the value of keeping picks esp to find talent but there are other ways like getting a great training staff to find and develop players from the G-League just like what the Spurs did before and Miami currently. Heat have found those gems like Nunn, Robinson, Struss etc. On the other hand Lakers drafted Randle at 8th and just let him walk for nothing. They found Caruso and let him walk too.... so....
btw, OKC just lured away arguably the best shot doctor in the league from San Antonio. Lakers have been struggling big time from the perimeter the past several years and they could have used Chip Engelland to help but I guess they were too busy firing good workers like Judy Seto.

Yeah, I hate burning draft picks but the Lakers hemorrhaging young talent and getting little in return annoys me way the hell more. Beyond the names you mentioned, I think the Lakers could have hung on to either Ball or Hart in the Anthony Davis deal.

It’s why I’m against including THT in a trade. He was hurt by Russ’s presence as much as anything, and he can still develop into a very solid role player for the team.

So I get where you're coming from...but IMO, we need to keep our picks unless we're really gonna get something. "Contender" is the key word here. "Legit Contender" is more like it. Are Hield and Turner gonna make us contenders? Everyone be honest....are we beating GS, or whomever with that? I don't think we're close. So I don't wanna just make trades for the sake of "movement". I know nobody wants to run this back again......believe me, I KNOW. I've already said I won't watch. And I WANT to watch my Lakers!!

But we gotta suck back that nasty medicine, and come out of this with something. That something can be another title (or even getting really close. I'll live with that) or it can be keeping our picks.

I'm totally fine with moving picks. But it's gotta be for something really good. Not some semi-decent filler from the Pacers.

danfantastk32 wrote:

Pythagoras wrote:

tamaraw08 wrote:
Very easy to say stay put and not trade those picks if Lebron is 27 and not 37. I can't see him performing at a very high level next season for like 60 games, so they are wasting a full year if they don't land good players who can help them contend this year. The question is, if Hield and Turner can truly help them contend this year?
Have they asked Darvin Ham if he can TRULY maximize these guys strengths and mask their weaknesses? Not sure if Buddy can defend decently but if he can, I think it can be worth it IMO.
I understand to a certain point the value of keeping picks esp to find talent but there are other ways like getting a great training staff to find and develop players from the G-League just like what the Spurs did before and Miami currently. Heat have found those gems like Nunn, Robinson, Struss etc. On the other hand Lakers drafted Randle at 8th and just let him walk for nothing. They found Caruso and let him walk too.... so....
btw, OKC just lured away arguably the best shot doctor in the league from San Antonio. Lakers have been struggling big time from the perimeter the past several years and they could have used Chip Engelland to help but I guess they were too busy firing good workers like Judy Seto.

Yeah, I hate burning draft picks but the Lakers hemorrhaging young talent and getting little in return annoys me way the hell more. Beyond the names you mentioned, I think the Lakers could have hung on to either Ball or Hart in the Anthony Davis deal.

It’s why I’m against including THT in a trade. He was hurt by Russ’s presence as much as anything, and he can still develop into a very solid role player for the team.

So I get where you're coming from...but IMO, we need to keep our picks unless we're really gonna get something. "Contender" is the key word here. "Legit Contender" is more like it. Are Hield and Turner gonna make us contenders? Everyone be honest....are we beating GS, or whomever with that? I don't think we're close. So I don't wanna just make trades for the sake of "movement". I know nobody wants to run this back again......believe me, I KNOW. I've already said I won't watch. And I WANT to watch my Lakers!!

But we gotta suck back that nasty medicine, and come out of this with something. That something can be another title (or even getting really close. I'll live with that) or it can be keeping our picks.

I'm totally fine with moving picks. But it's gotta be for something really good. Not some semi-decent filler from the Pacers.

I guess it depends on how you evaluate Hield and Turner versus not doing anything and especially keeping Russ with his drama and distractions.
Are they legit contenders if they get Buddy and Myles? Probably not but their chances of putting a much better product on the court is much better.
With Russ and his drama and horrible fit, they have like 5% chance with opposing teams having major injuries in the playoffs while AD and Lebron close to 95% healthy.
Like I said a lot will depend if Hield can play good enough defense while him and and Nunn shooting 39% from 3. If not and Ham won’t use them then no, might as well play Swider.

I would give the x2 1st round picks for Hield and Turner - however there's no reason to do it right now. If another team was offering 1st round picks, they'd be traded already. Keep tabs on that, make sure no team jumps in and takes them and see what else develops over the off-season.

I'd rather do the following deals:

Including 1 first round pick and second rounders with THT for Kyrie Irving, Joe Harris.
Including 1 first round pick and second rounders for Conley, Bogdanovic, Beverley.

If those deals aren't available to the Lakers and it's a week before training camp - then throw in the 2nd 1st round pick (with some protection) and get the deal done. You can't bring Russ into camp.

We’re not in rebuild mode. We’re in win now mode until LeBron is 50. Future draft picks? Don’t let them stop us from shedding Westbrook for Turner and Hield.

Kyrie+Bev or Kyrie+White are the only packages I see worth 2xFRPs.

Hield+Turner is not worth 2

zimpy27 wrote:Kyrie+Bev or Kyrie+White are the only packages I see worth 2xFRPs.

Hield+Turner is not worth 2

I hear you. We can’t forget the supersized positive of losing Russ. Addition by subtraction. We need hard nosed and disciplined team defense for a good W-L record. Russ negates that.

stan francisco wrote:

zimpy27 wrote:Kyrie+Bev or Kyrie+White are the only packages I see worth 2xFRPs.

Hield+Turner is not worth 2

I hear you. We can’t forget the supersized positive of losing Russ. Addition by subtraction. We need hard nosed and disciplined team defense for a good W-L record. Russ negates that.

Russ isn't honestly that bad and if he stays with Lakers and is awful in a new system then you make him bench leader or you just sit him out.

Vogel system was bad for Russ since Vogel couldn't adapt to him at all. Too stubborn dudes.

zimpy27 wrote:

stan francisco wrote:

zimpy27 wrote:Kyrie+Bev or Kyrie+White are the only packages I see worth 2xFRPs.

Hield+Turner is not worth 2

I hear you. We can’t forget the supersized positive of losing Russ. Addition by subtraction. We need hard nosed and disciplined team defense for a good W-L record. Russ negates that.

Russ isn't honestly that bad and if he stays with Lakers and is awful in a new system then you make him bench leader or you just sit him out.

Vogel system was bad for Russ since Vogel couldn't adapt to him at all. Too stubborn dudes.

It’s win-now mode. I’d ship Russ and picks to Indiana a few weeks back.

stan francisco wrote:

zimpy27 wrote:

stan francisco wrote:
I hear you. We can’t forget the supersized positive of losing Russ. Addition by subtraction. We need hard nosed and disciplined team defense for a good W-L record. Russ negates that.

Russ isn't honestly that bad and if he stays with Lakers and is awful in a new system then you make him bench leader or you just sit him out.

Vogel system was bad for Russ since Vogel couldn't adapt to him at all. Too stubborn dudes.

It’s win-now mode. I’d ship Russ and picks to Indiana a few weeks back.

If you have to give up 2 FRPs then I'd prefer Lakers to make a trade with Utah without an FRP. I think keeping picks or capspace open is important.

zimpy27 wrote:

stan francisco wrote:

zimpy27 wrote:
Russ isn't honestly that bad and if he stays with Lakers and is awful in a new system then you make him bench leader or you just sit him out.

Vogel system was bad for Russ since Vogel couldn't adapt to him at all. Too stubborn dudes.

It’s win-now mode. I’d ship Russ and picks to Indiana a few weeks back.

If you have to give up 2 FRPs then I'd prefer Lakers to make a trade with Utah without an FRP. I think keeping picks or capspace open is important.

Fair. I normally agree to long term priorities but I think getting rid of Russ is currently way more important. Like pants on fire important. Until then, we’re standing still.

What was the Utah offer/speculation?

stan francisco wrote:We’re in win now mode until LeBron is 50.

That's crazy talk, Stan. Lebron has outlasted every other player but it doesn't mean he's invincible. He could start dropping off big time from this season itself, only time will tell.

I believe all these talks of 2 FRP ask for taking on RW co tract is more of a media thing.

I have a hard time believing that offering an expiring for unwanted players requires a team offering relief to sweeten the pot. Understand there are many factors that impact the situation. Demand etc.

Do you guys believe their is unofficial "tax" I posed by the rest of league to deal with the Lakers? We have to pay more than other teams?



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LAL1947 wrote:

stan francisco wrote:We’re in win now mode until LeBron is 50.

That's crazy talk, Stan. Lebron has outlasted every other player but it doesn't mean he's invincible. He could start dropping off big time from this season itself, only time will tell.

Sorry for the unclear sarcasm, my friend. I was trying to say what you’re saying; that we’re in a freaking hurry to win now. Picks be damned.

Another season started with Westbrook on the roster is taking time off LBJ’s last stretch of real competitiveness in play.