Shams: Lakers unlikely to trade picks if still sucking

Post #1 » by **Kilroy** » Tue Nov 8, 2022 11:45 pm

Makes sens to me... But rather than "making improvements around the edges" I'd say it's smarter to start the rebuild now... Time to trade AD while he's still young, and putting up close to 30 some nights... Get prospects and picks...

Stop looking for an established star to save us... It's over... Accept it and move on.

MAMBAEMD · Post #2 » by **MAMBAEMD** » Wed Nov 9, 2022 12:59 am

I hate to say it but I agree . Time to rebuild . Specially if the next 10 games are similar to the first 10.

stan francisco · Post #3 » by **stan francisco** » Wed Nov 9, 2022 1:23 am

Save the picks. Trade Westbrook. Trade LeBron! Get rid of the Klutch strangle hold. Hire Ryan West as GM, keep Rob for scouting college players. Jeannie needs to learn how to delegate. Coach Ham needs to put his foot down for defense, and he needs to hire an assistant who can coach defense.

At this point I’d rather build a defensive beast of a team of young players around AD than a lame offense around LBJ.

Get some real effort guys like Caruso and Van Vleet.

chefy · Post #4 » by **chefy** » Wed Nov 9, 2022 2:28 am

pretty obvious when we extended Pelinka before the season even started.

elchengue20 · Post #5 » by **elchengue20** » Wed Nov 9, 2022 5:10 am

Of course, you need to rebuild at this point.

Trade AD and Lebron to contenders for multiple picks and some prospects.

Lebron isn't a top 10 player anymore, he cant carry this flawed roster, so it makes no point to keep this core together.

Even when trading Westbrook for better fits, it wont be enough to really contend for a championship. And you could even stay as a below .500 team.

And yeah, you need to fire Pelinka, hes probably the worst GM in the league, he has no clue.

SlimShady83 · Post #6 » by **SlimShady83** » Wed Nov 9, 2022 5:25 am

I recon Lakers will swap pics If a star player such as KD or what not is involved

SlimShady83 · Post #7 » by **SlimShady83** » Wed Nov 9, 2022 5:26 am

elchengue20 wrote:Of course, you need to rebuild at this point.

Trade AD and Lebron to contenders for multiple picks and some prospects.

Lebron isn't a top 10 player anymore, he cant carry this flawed roster, so it makes no point to keep this core together.

Even when trading Westbrook for better fits, it wont be enough to really contend for a championship. And you could even stay as a below .500 team.

And yeah, you need to fire Pelinka, hes probably the worst GM in the league, he has no clue.

Can't trade Lebron Unil summer - maybe If he asks for a trade, but not until the off season from I hear

Eric Bieniemy · Post #8 » by **Eric Bieniemy** » Wed Nov 9, 2022 8:50 pm

Nunn and Beverley for Tim Hardaway Jr.

Dallas gets capspace. The Lakers get a guy who can hit a jumpshot.

PG - James - Westbrook
SG - Hardaway - Walker
C - Davis - Gabriel
PF - Brown - (James)/JTA
SF - Reaves - (Hardaway)/Ryan

ROballer · Post #9 » by **ROballer** » Wed Nov 9, 2022 9:33 pm

Trade Davis back to the Pelicans for Valanciunas/Murphy/Daniels and the bad contract of Graham. And our picks back of course, or at the very least waive that **** swap we have this year if possible, it's giving me nightmares.

**** cap space at this point, the only viable FA next summer are either Irving(hard pass) or donkey kong Draymond who doesn't move the needle at all.

I'll be damned if NO gets Victor or Scoot off of us. That would be the worst dagger through the chest in the history of sports.

TylersLakers · Post #10 » by **TylersLakers** » Wed Nov 9, 2022 11:41 pm

This is the only organization where repeated bad things happen over and over and yet they refuse to look inward at why these things continue to happen. It's annoying.

The Myles Turner, Hield deal should've already happened. Before training camp when they could've grown together and built chemistry on the court.

Now they're waiting for a mystery star? Hmmm. Gotta love Jeanie Buss and Rob Pelinka.

Eric Bieniemy · Post #11 » by **Eric Bieniemy** » Thu Nov 10, 2022 2:26 am

TylersLakers wrote:This is the only organization where repeated bad things happen over and over and yet they refuse to look inward at why these things continue to happen. It's annoying.

The Myles Turner, Hield deal should've already happened. Before training camp when they could've grown together and built chemistry on the court.

Now they're waiting for a mystery star? Hmmm. Gotta love Jeanie Buss and Rob Pelinka.

Why should they have given up two unprotected picks for Turner and Hield?

Post #12 » by **dockingsched** » Thu Nov 10, 2022 3:03 am

Not wasting two picks on turner and Hield and now this report is a great sign that the front office realizes how far they are from contending. Why waste more assets for this year? It’s not worth it. Regroup in the summer with as many assets as you can get. Cap space and picks? No telling which star forces a trade just how the team got AD last time.

TimeisIllmatic · Post #13 » by **TimeisIllmatic** » Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:14 am

dockingsched wrote:Not wasting two picks on turner and Hield and now this report is a great sign that the front office realizes how far they are from contending. Why waste more assets for this year? It’s not worth it. Regroup in the summer with as many assets as you can get. Cap space and picks? No telling which star forces a trade just how the team got AD last time.

Maybe Jaylen Brown but that's a big stretch and Celtics will demand a huge haul for him.

SlimShady83 · Post #14 » by **SlimShady83** » Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:47 am

dockingsched wrote:Not wasting two picks on turner and Hield and now this report is a great sign that the front office realizes how far they are from contending. Why waste more assets for this year? It’s not worth it. Regroup in the summer with as many assets as you can get. Cap space and picks? No telling which star forces a trade just how the team got AD last time.

The problem Is the pics are from 27 and 29 that's ages away - you want to rebuild now or at least very soon next year everyone Off the books except Bron/AD ??? And they'll have a tone of cap space

I wouldn't trade Turner now, because they can get him next year in FA, but I still want Hield I'd make a trade for him and he still young and on a contract 3-4 years In fact anyone who is FA next year I wouldn't trade for- Irving etc

I really hope Lakers can trade AD+pic and who ever for KD apart from Reaves

Out side of Bron/AD Reaves is untouchable IMO we'll need the defense AD Is tradeable

C"mon Lakers go get KD

slifersd · Post #15 » by **slifersd** » Thu Nov 10, 2022 10:20 pm

TylersLakers wrote:This is the only organization where repeated bad things happen over and over and yet they refuse to look inward at why these things continue to happen. It's annoying.

The Myles Turner, Hield deal should've already happened. Before training camp when they could've grown together and built chemistry on the court.

Now they're waiting for a mystery star? Hmmm. Gotta love Jeanie Buss and Rob Pelinka.

I think the current situation we face is much more complicated. The reality of it is, Pelina has mismanaged his asset so badly that even he now is scared to make a move, because he doesn't want to get fleeced again like he did with Westbrook, Schroeder, Marc Gasol and all the other trades he's made. With each game that we struggles through, other teams are only upping their asking price for anything. At this point, two first round picks might not even get us Turner and Hield any more, they might ask for all our second round picks too, because they know we are desperate AF. Pelinka has painted himself to a corner completely and now either has to pay out the ass for even a minor trade, or punt the season and try his luck in free agency. How this idiot got a three year extension is beyond me, and Jeanie should be ashamed of herself for managing her father's team this way

TylersLakers · Post #16 » by **TylersLakers** » Thu Nov 10, 2022 11:53 pm

Eric Bieniemy wrote:
TylersLakers wrote:This is the only organization where repeated bad things happen over and over and yet they refuse to look inward at why these things continue to happen. It's annoying.

The Myles Turner, Hield deal should've already happened. Before training camp when they could've grown together and built chemistry on the court.

Now they're waiting for a mystery star? Hmmm. Gotta love Jeanie Buss and Rob Pelinka.

Why should they have given up two unprotected picks for Turner and Hield?

Because they both fit our team like a glove. Other than the one Utah game, we haven't been blown out and that's with LeBron playing so-so because of a flu bug and AD hobbling around. If you add in Buddy Hield's 4-6 three pointers a game and Myles Turner's rim protection and shooting, this team has at least 6 or 7 wins at this point of the season.

Also having those two allows LeBron and AD to be LeBron and AD. They don't have the spacing necessary to each be at their best. AD is at his best when he's a "wing" defender and roams around the court like a Pterodactyl. LeBron is at his best when there's spacing around him and he can get to the rim. Enhancing LeBron and AD's games has been the biggest area this franchise has lacked in the last two years.

I can't get over where we were. 2 years ago, we were 21-6 coming off a Championship and we suffered injuries to AD and LeBron. Despite that, we were up handily 2-1 in a series against Phoenix and Phoenix (eventual Western Conference Finalist) basically had no answer. AD got a groin strain, KCP and Kuzma forgot how to shoot and we lost. Bad luck all around. All that team needed was some additional shooting and we would've been right back having deep playoff runs. All we had to do was:

- Re-sign Alex Caruso
- Keep KCP, 1st rounder
- Trade Kuz and Harrell for Hield
- Re-sign Wes Matthews
- Sign Melo, Howard, PJ Tucker (MLE), Rondo, Dudley (last man on roster) - Hell, Drummond ending up taking a minimum. Could've got him.
- Re-sign Schroder, 1 year deal, 7M
- Sign/draft Reaves, Cam Thomas (22 overall)

And our roster would've been:

PG: Caruso/Schroder/Rondo
SG: Hield/KCP/Thomas
SF: LeBron/Wes/Reaves
PF: Tucker/Melo/Dudley
C: Davis/Drummond or Howard

That's a good ass team that goes far in last year's playoffs.

Post #17 » by **Michael Jackson** » Fri Nov 11, 2022 12:43 am

dockingsched wrote:Not wasting two picks on turner and Hield and now this report is a great sign that the front office realizes how far they are from contending. Why waste more assets for this year? It’s not worth it. Regroup in the summer with as many assets as you can get. Cap space and picks? No telling which star forces a trade just how the team got AD last time.

Absolutely. Do not squander anymore picks. The fork is in this team, nothing much you can do, don't give up any further future assets. If you can get a haul for AD, which maybe they can, then do that but Field and Turner never would have turned this team into a contender.

RoyceDa59 · Post #18 » by **RoyceDa59** » Fri Nov 11, 2022 12:45 am

Absolutely, positively without a shadow of a doubt need to blow it up.

They could bring back a legit haul for LeBron, AD and Westbrook’s expiring.

My god it’s time.

Don’t let LeBron rot away for his last couple years in LA. Send that man to a contender so we can all witness playoff Bron one last time.

Send AD to a contender.

Send Westbrook to a team looking to offload salary in exchange for draft picks.

What a mess.

SlimShady83 · Post #19 » by **SlimShady83** » Fri Nov 11, 2022 12:51 am

The 3rd Mystery star player has been revealed ... And It's ... Wait for it ...

Bradley Beal - I kid you not It's on the Lakernation

If this is true this team is going no where fast

Watch on YouTube

;t=95s

sonnyhill · Post #20 » by **sonnyhill** » Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:16 am

stan francisco wrote:Save the picks. Trade Westbrook. Trade LeBron! Get rid of the Klutch strangle hold. Hire Ryan West as GM, keep Rob for scouting college players. Jeannie needs to learn how to delegate. Coach Ham needs to put his foot down for defense, and he needs to hire an assistant who can coach defense.

At this point I’d rather build a defensive beast of a team of young players around AD than a lame offense around LBJ.

Get some real effort guys like Caruso and Van Vleet.

I like the thought-process that went into your post.

A few of questions: If you are up for the Lakers to go "all-in" on a rebuild (BTW, I, too, am for choosing this course of action), why would you not advocate trading away AD, along with LBJ? AD is demonstrating that he is not a cornerstone player to build the future Laker franchise around; he loudly complains about not wanting to play the center position (AD needs to watch Draymond Green when the Warriors go to their "small-ball/death lineup" as he, Green, battles against bigger-and-stronger players (like JoKic and Embiid), and AD needs to "grow a pair."); is physically frail; and, could not lead his previous team, the Pelicans, to go deep into the playoffs. AD is not the player the Lakers should build around.

Do you see Ryan West having the ability to compete with guys like a Danny Ainge (I hate the guy; but, he knows what he is doing and has quickly deconstructed the Jazz, got a haul of draft picks in return, hired a really good young coach, and actually has the Jazz playing at a high level (even, during a rebuild)) or a Bob Myers (built the Warrior dynasty through the draft, player development, and filling out his roster with veteran role players) and RC Buford (identifies both domestic and foreign-born talent better than anyone)?

Whom do you recommend that Jeanie should delegate to?