The Lakers Blow It Up Rebuild Thread + poll trade

[SlimShady83]

Kind of bored, thought a new thread to get something going? haha

* What Is your pipe dream rebuild? Enter YOUR comments below

When It comes to my pipe dream, I'm trying to only trade players for this season who are on a contract and NOT FA next year - why trade for players who will be FA next year and can walk - Turner/Irving example.

There Is also news that Lakers won't trade 27/29 pic, but I bet If they get Allstar type of player in return such as KD they would more then likely do it.

I also don't know how many of these trades are rumors ARE real such as the Pacers/Spurs/Jazz/Hornets but I'll list them in the poll
I also don't know what KD or AD value would be at this point and I'm using them in PIPE DREAM thread As well as Hield/Westbrook

Trade 1
Lakers In: KD
Lakers out: AD, Walker 27pic - Throw in Bev or Nunn If need
NOTE: Walker can't be traded until DEC 15th I'm throwing him in to make the deal work and keep Nets happy along with pic - Walker isn't a bad player
Nets won't trade KD with out getting a Star player and PIc in return either, from what I hear and I don't think there are too many trades for KD out there?

Trade 2
Lakers In: Buddy Hield
Lakers Out: Westbrook, 29pic

NOTE: Pacers might want extra player OR might not do this at all depends how they're going or deciding If they want to pull the trigger and want an expiring In Russ + pic? - If Pacers don't do this than I'm probably either Keeping Russ OR trading him for In some of the above trade

"I'm not sure what or how we could get Hield just by himself - maybe a 3 team trade needed?"
Could It be possilbe to get Hield on his own with out the Turner deal??

Free Agent List next year

Only a handful of players next year that Lakers should be looking at

1. K.Irving 2. D.Green others include, Porzingus, Turner, J.Grant, K.Love

I'm rolling with these two players, but I'll only go with Green IF he willing to take a pay cut to come play with Bron/Lakers and Lakers can say Hey you do well, we'll pay you after Bron leaves etc

You only sign Irving as a FA and only 2 years max with 2nd year team option, see how he goes after Bron leaves/retires etc

If Green ain't willing to take pay cut to come play with Bron/Lakers then they'll need to take a look at others.

MY PIPE DREAM TEAM FOR LAKERS NEXT SEASON IS
C) Draymond Green - small ball center - on a pay cut
PF) Kevin Durant - maybe SF with Bron at PF? 3-4 year contract left
SF) Lebron James - not sure about KD/Bron positions
SG) Buddy Hield 3-4 years contract left
PG) Kyrie Irving - via FA next year

We can all dream can't we?

Bron will probably have ball in his hands the most or Kyrie? un sure where everyone would play with this line up LOL
Bron might not be happy having trading AD away, but maybe KD can help with that and knowing Lakers will get Irving in FA and also get Hield.

After Bron retires/leaves to play with son, Lakers still have KD/Irving/Hield etc get the next star after that

I'm unsure If numbers add up here, probably not which is why I want Green to take a pay cut and if he does well, Lakers can pay him after Bron Green also played with Durant b4 so that works
It's a dream after all ...

Bench players: Austin Reaves, Wenyen Gabriel, Matt Ryan, Dennis Schröder
If Pat Bev doesn't get traded, then I'm keeping him, other than that I'm looking at players like;

B4 you reply about this below - take a look at next years FA at each position and tell me who else you'd also look at - I'm trying to fill the bench on the cheap as the line up Is going to be very costly and Lakers won't have $$$ left for a deep bench

C) Bismack Biyombo, Jay Huff (summer league?), D.Howard,Boogie? Need big bodies off the bench on the cheap
PF) Montrezl Harrell, Noah Vonleh
SF) Cam Reddish
SG) Max Strus, Damion Lee
PG) Aaron Holiday,

Need to fill out 15 man squad some how haha

Again It's a pipe dream haha - Also with that line up the bench Is going to look bleak at best out side of Reaves/Schroder - If Schroder does ok when he comes back.

Next years FA list is very slim out side of the known players. And most of us know we/Lakers gonna end up with Iriving, I just don't want to trade for him, get him FA next year.
Again not sure IF numbers will work that's why the bench looking thin and cheap lols

I'm not a fan of D.green, Irving etc, but I'm trying to be realistic as possible and only linking players who have been rumored in trades or keen to come to LA

[zimpy27]

I think at this point you try trade Westbrook for Kyrie+O'Neale+Theis using picks and cross your fingers it pays off.

Lakers get Kyrie, O'Neale, Theis
Pacers get Westbrook, LAL27FRP, BKN28FRP
Nets get Turner, Hield

[SweetTouch]

Its time

LBJ has lost the fight. He has been defeated by father time.

[King Ken]

No chance the Nets trade KD to the Lakers.

[ROballer]

I don't think you understand what blowing up or rebuild means.

It sure as hell doesn't mean giving up the only picks we have left.



Trade anyone. Get PICKS and YOUTH back. That's rebuilding.

Spare me Hield, Irving and other non needle threaders who will make exactly zero impact in our overall outlook for the next few years.

[Landsberger]

Blow it up but no way I'd take Green, Durant, Irving etc. at this point. Green is so overrated it's not funny.

The type of "blow up" we need starts with the owner's I'm afraid and extends to the entire roster. The chasing of 30 year old marketable starts is reminding me of the late 90's to mid 2000's Knicks who cycled through star rosters only to bow out of the playoffs each year in the first or second round. That's the mindset of ownership it seems and a good portion of the fan base.

We need a cornerstone star to build around that we draft. The last group of younger players we drafted we didn't have any of those and we traded them to get Davis who isn't that player either.

The problem with the current crop of NBA players is that there are no LeBron's or Durants out there under the age of 30 it seems. As the "old guy" in the room this current NBA looks like the 70's where a different team rose each year and fell back the next.

We're not going to rise again until we have competent leadership.

[SlimShady83]

No chance the Nets trade KD to the Lakers.

I was just hoping there would be some truth to all the BS that's on youtube etc

Heck throw in 2 pics to get KD If need haha

[SlimShady83]

Blow it up but no way I'd take Green, Durant, Irving etc. at this point. Green is so overrated it's not funny.

I was going by all the BS that's on youtube etc, Irving rumors to LA etc and like I said I don't really want Green, but from what's going to be availible next year in FA there's probably not much else out there from what Lakers can realistically get, next few years will probably be tough for Lakers to get a decent team going?

Go take a look at t he FA list next season, there really isn't much on there - I mean I'd rather get J.Grant then Green, but I very much doubt Lakers will get Grant.

Every Jo Blow on the net wants the Lakers too blow it up, but I don't think they realize how hard is to do it, not saying I do either, which from the replies I don't LOL, but again looking at the FA list and any possible trades Lakers can get It's going to be a tough rebuild after or during Bron/Ad

Edit: No I don't believe everything that's on Youtube, just incase someone will think that LOL

[SlimShady83]

I don't think you understand what blowing up or rebuild means.

It sure as hell doesn't mean giving up the only picks we have left.



Trade anyone. Get PICKS and YOUTH back. That's rebuilding.

Yeh I know that, but who going to give Lakers 1st round pics, even for AD/Russ ... Lakers probably won't get anything for Bron he'll end up leaving either next year If nothingis done OR after next year In retirement or going to play with SON etc, which ever happens out of the two

There might be some teams out there who would give Lakers pics for AD, but I don't think Lakers want to trade Ad unless they get a star player in return, much like Nets on KD

[SlimShady83]

No chance the Nets trade KD to the Lakers.

Like I said I'm going by all the **** on youtube - surely there has to be some truth to it

[SlimShady83]

This is a Link for all your players contract details

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/LAL.html

[dAdo dA dEvil]

I'm torn between the Pacers and the Jazz but voted for the Pacers trade. Hield and Turner would be a great fit but I want JC back. Jazz is winning right now so I doubt if they would want to break that team now.

[tamaraw08]

I think at this point you try trade Westbrook for Kyrie+O'Neale+Theis using picks and cross your fingers it pays off.

Lakers get Kyrie, O'Neale, Theis
Pacers get Westbrook, LAL27FRP, BKN28FRP
Nets get Turner, Hield

Very interesting trade scenario. It seems Tsai is done with Kyrie but I'm not sure they're willing to give-up ONeale. Pacers get the picks they want plus not pay Hield.
Kyrie would have been a perfect fit basketball wise but my goodness, you just don't know what stupid thing is he going to say or do.
Lakers getting Hield and Turner would have been ok with me but I'm just guessing Ham is not a fan of Buddy's defense.

[tamaraw08]

I'm torn between the Pacers and the Jazz but voted for the Pacers trade. Hield and Turner would be a great fit but I want JC back. Jazz is winning right now so I doubt if they would want to break that team now.

Ainge would have to be that stupid to believe that they would sustain their incredible shot shooting from 3 with 5 players hitting above 40% including Olynik at 57% and Clarkson at 41% with is career at only 34%. Eventually they cool down and they start losing games, the "problem" is they might be out of the sweepstakes as Houston, OKC, Pistons etc have secured the coveted spots.

[tamaraw08]

This is a Link for all your players contract details

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/LAL.html

Depending how you look at it, Lakers are committed to Lebron and AD for 2 more years after this season. Not a few think that's too long...then again these 2 might just opt out by the end of next season. So it's not like they will be severely limited with their spending by 2025.
I for one has given up on AD. Hopefully there's another team would be happy to absorb him esp if they can load manage him, maybe he can go home to Chicago in exchange for Vucevic (17,12) plus fillers like Caruso etc.
Also note that Lakers have their other first round picks by either '24 or '25, '26 and '28 if they trade the '27 and '29.
Personally I stil will try to do everything to improve this team bec it's not like they no cap room in 3 years and no picks at all.

[TylersLakers]

I would trade Westbrook and the picks for whatever package that gives us the most NBA players back. And whoever’s willing to do that now. We don’t have any more time to wait. This should’ve been done in the off season but our front office is pathetic.

My first choice is Charlotte. Hayward, Rozier, PJ Washington for Westbrook, Nunn, Gabriel + 2027 and 2029 picks. Gives us 3 quality rotation players (including 2 forwards).

Then you trade Pat Bev, Max Christie, 2nd round pick to the Spurs for Josh Richardson.

PG: Reaves/Rozier/Schroder
SG: Hayward/Lonnie/
SF: LeBron/Richardson/Brown Jr/Ryan
PF: Washington/JTA/
C: Davis/Bryant/Jones

Then we have 1 open spot for buy outs. That trade is the following NBA players:

Tier 1 - Stars: LeBron, AD
Tier 2 - Definite Starters: Hayward
Tier 3 - Capable Starters: Reaves, Rozier, Washington, Josh Richardson
Tier 4 - Off the bench that will play: Walker, Brown Jr

Question Mark: Schroder, Bryant - what do they look like?

That’s 9 NBA players and maybe more depending on Schroder and Bryant. A full rotation where you’re not playing any weak links.

Right now we have AD and LeBron in that Tier 1 category, Reaves as a capable starter, Westbrook, Walker and Brown off the bench that will play and that’s it. 5 NBA players. The rest of the rotation is filled with guys who can’t play: Beverley (the way he’s shot), Gabriel, Ryan, Nunn. You cannot have that many NON NBA players in your lineup getting valuable minutes.

[Landsberger]

Blow it up but no way I'd take Green, Durant, Irving etc. at this point. Green is so overrated it's not funny.

I was going by all the BS that's on youtube etc, Irving rumors to LA etc and like I said I don't really want Green, but from what's going to be availible next year in FA there's probably not much else out there from what Lakers can realistically get, next few years will probably be tough for Lakers to get a decent team going?

Go take a look at t he FA list next season, there really isn't much on there - I mean I'd rather get J.Grant then Green, but I very much doubt Lakers will get Grant.

Every Jo Blow on the net wants the Lakers too blow it up, but I don't think they realize how hard is to do it, not saying I do either, which from the replies I don't LOL, but again looking at the FA list and any possible trades Lakers can get It's going to be a tough rebuild after or during Bron/Ad

Edit: No I don't believe everything that's on Youtube, just incase someone will think that LOL

The "blow it up" is coming.... one way or another. The worst way we rebuild is with the same FO leadership.... and owner... We need to go all the way to a new regime to get rid of the instant gratification mindset that has us chasing our tails. The Bron era got us an asterisk Chip... it's not going to yield anything but frustration going forward.

[chefy]

i think the FO and Jeannie have accepted the fact that Lebron and AD is not going to carry us anywhere regardless if we make a/the trade or get another star this offseason. the duo is just not good enough anymore.

the right thing to do right now is to rebuild but this also means trading Lebron which means less revenue. we all know Jeannie is not gonna be up for this.

[NBAWestFan]

Yes once Le Flop gets his points total to be #1 Start the rebuild

AD for 3 1st rounders and a young guy or two.

When I start a team I try to get a great point guard. That is who I would look for.

[tamaraw08]

i think the FO and Jeannie have accepted the fact that Lebron and AD is not going to carry us anywhere regardless if we make a/the trade or get another star this offseason. the duo is just not good enough anymore.

the right thing to do right now is to rebuild but this also means trading Lebron which means less revenue. we all know Jeannie is not gonna be up for this.

2 glaring needs are shooting and a legit big to play next to AD. The Pacers trade help solve those issues, now are they instant contenders? No, but IF Lebron and AD are relatively healthy and they play great defense in the playoffs then they have a chance.

Rebuild is inevitable but the only question is when? You're right, Jeanie's main priority is selling tickets. They can't trade Lebron til next year, not sure about teams wanting to trade picks to acquire a fragile player like AD.
I don't see any logic of just wasting this season bec they don't get any incentive of getting picks anyway.
To a point, I get that that '27 and '29 FRP are valuable but it's not like they have no other FRPs other than those.
They get either '24 or '25, definitely '26 and '28 PLUS by '26, no MORE EXPENSIVE CONTRACTS !!! AS IN they can recruit good free agents with ALL THE CAP ROOM!!, but you alienate Lebron by wasting this season, future free agents won't even come here for a visit and interviews.