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Ball so hard wrote:I said it the minute we signed Cam it was a bad signing. Dude looks like he doesn’t even belong in the league. Gabe also looked very unimpressive. I was more in favor of Dennis over him.

tamaraw08 wrote:

Ball so hard wrote:I said it the minute we signed Cam it was a bad signing. Dude looks like he doesn’t even belong in the league. Gabe also looked very unimpressive. I was more in favor of Dennis over him.

Yeah I hate to be negative but I never really saw the logic of signing a guy who never shot well in his career and is not a a good defender at all. It just seems like Rich Paul twisted Rob’s arm into hiring his boy Cam this summer.
I like Dennis but him almost crumbling completely versus Murray as compared to Vincent’s kind of swayed their decision to choose Gabe instead. But my concern is almost every ex Heat always regress after leaving Spoelstra just like Nunn, Winslow, Whiteside etc

Ball so hard wrote:I said it the minute we signed Cam it was a bad signing. Dude looks like he doesn’t even belong in the league. Gabe also looked very unimpressive. I was more in favor of Dennis over him.

Godfather13 wrote:

Ball so hard wrote:I said it the minute we signed Cam it was a bad signing. Dude looks like he doesn’t even belong in the league. Gabe also looked very unimpressive. I was more in favor of Dennis over him.

Cam & Prince had a specially rough night. Rui also started badly, but recovered really well to finish off with a great 2nd/3rd qtr.

I still feel pretty good about Prince coming good, and this Game 1 of preseason being his worst game as a Laker. Cam on the other hand, may not have much hope at all.

Dennis, like Monk, got paid and was never coming back. And tbh, he isn't worst what they're paying him in Toronto now.

ROballer wrote:You're not shutting down **** down in this era.

Like it or not, it's a gunning arms race. The period in which the saying 'defense wins championships' is long one.

It's a 75/25 percentage wise in favor of the offense league, at the very least.

You're not shutting down Denver/Phoenix/Warriors in the playoffs, sorry. You could have an all time defensive team and you still wouldn't be able to do jack squat to prevent them from scoring at an relative efficient rate. Offensive scheming and overall player talent have evolved too much. People have counters to your defensive counters.

You win by being elite offensively and slightly better than the other team defensively, that's it. That's the route we're going, it's no coincidence we've filled the team with snipers at every position and made 20 3's last night.
You can't win 20 games in today's league with playing defense and sucking on O. You can win a lot more if it's the other way around, just check the Kings.

Plan is to score 120 every single game.

MAMBAEMD wrote:

ROballer wrote:You're not shutting down **** down in this era.

Like it or not, it's a gunning arms race. The period in which the saying 'defense wins championships' is long one.

It's a 75/25 percentage wise in favor of the offense league, at the very least.

You're not shutting down Denver/Phoenix/Warriors in the playoffs, sorry. You could have an all time defensive team and you still wouldn't be able to do jack squat to prevent them from scoring at an relative efficient rate. Offensive scheming and overall player talent have evolved too much. People have counters to your defensive counters.

You win by being elite offensively and slightly better than the other team defensively, that's it. That's the route we're going, it's no coincidence we've filled the team with snipers at every position and made 20 3's last night.
You can't win 20 games in today's league with playing defense and sucking on O. You can win a lot more if it's the other way around, just check the Kings.

Plan is to score 120 every single game.

This is an interesting post.

Not sure I completely agree, or even follow, but the gist of it is that teams are better off being much better offensively, and that because the offenses are so much better, defensive planning and ability to stop teams in certain stretches of the game is overrated, not as important, and perhaps impossible to accomplish. in other words, not worth concentrating on defense the way teams used to do so.

Did I interpret your post accurately?

ROballer wrote:

MAMBAEMD wrote:

ROballer wrote:You're not shutting down **** down in this era.

Like it or not, it's a gunning arms race. The period in which the saying 'defense wins championships' is long one.

It's a 75/25 percentage wise in favor of the offense league, at the very least.

You're not shutting down Denver/Phoenix/Warriors in the playoffs, sorry. You could have an all time defensive team and you still wouldn't be able to do jack squat to prevent them from scoring at an relative efficient rate. Offensive scheming and overall player talent have evolved too much. People have counters to your defensive counters.

You win by being elite offensively and slightly better than the other team defensively, that's it. That's the route we're going, it's no coincidence we've filled the team with snipers at every position and made 20 3's last night.
You can't win 20 games in today's league with playing defense and sucking on O. You can win a lot more if it's the other way around, just check the Kings.

Plan is to score 120 every single game.

This is an interesting post.

Not sure I completely agree, or even follow, but the gist of it is that teams are better off being much better offensively, and that because the offenses are so much better, defensive planning and ability to stop teams in certain stretches of the game is overrated, not as important, and perhaps impossible to accomplish. in other words, not worth concentrating on defense the way teams used to do so.

Did I interpret your post accurately?

I mean, isn't it obvious by all the trades made this summer?

Teams used to play the Tony Allen's, Andre Roberson's and you can name dozens of other defenders who had no offensive game here.

Those guys are long extinct, teams get away with 1 of those guys and they play them at C.
And even those are getting fewer and fewer.

Look at the defensive ratings now versus 20 years ago. They are laughable. On the other end of the spectrum, the worst offensive team last year would have been a juggernaut 20 years ago.

Game has evolved too much, it's simply isn't feasible anymore to hope to get multiple stops in a row and shut down the other team for minutes at a time. That was a trend in the past.

Look at Denver last year. They won with one of the best and most efficient offenses ever. What real defenders did they have on their roster? I'll wait.

Ball so hard wrote:

Godfather13 wrote:

Ball so hard wrote:I said it the minute we signed Cam it was a bad signing. Dude looks like he doesn’t even belong in the league. Gabe also looked very unimpressive. I was more in favor of Dennis over him.

Cam & Prince had a specially rough night. Rui also started badly, but recovered really well to finish off with a great 2nd/3rd qtr.

I still feel pretty good about Prince coming good, and this Game 1 of preseason being his worst game as a Laker. Cam on the other hand, may not have much hope at all.

Dennis, like Monk, got paid and was never coming back. And tbh, he isn't worst what they're paying him in Toronto now.

I’m not too worried about Prince either. You make it sound like Dennis got the bag. 2/25 mil is arguably better than 3/33 mil for Gabe. Can easily get rid of Schroder after the first year.