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Well after watching the Heat get spanked by New Orleans, it just made me think a little. Yes, I know it's too early in the season to talk about it but I wanted to hear everyone's thoughts on this anyways.

Both Dwayne Wade and Lebron James, yes are very good players and still have a big career ahead of them, but I always hear many opinions about how they are already greater players than Kobe Bryant. After watching the heat game and how horrible Dwayne Wade performed, and looking at their seasons how horrible their teams are performing, how can anyone come to that conclusion?

Both their teams are in the position where they need to step it up like Kobe Bryant has the past seasons minus Shaq, but they aren't doing it. Yes Lebron James did have the streak earlier this season, but because of a finger sprain on his non shooting hand, looks like he's back to normal. Bottom line is their teams are doing horrible, in the EAST. Kobe Bryant was able to keep his team finishing in the West above .500 in the WEST for the past 2 seasons. So all the Dwade and LBJ lovers/ Kobe haters, can your stars step it up like how Kobe has the past seasons?

dwade and lbj are just put above kobe because of kobe/la haters and casual fans.

no one that has any lick of actual basketball knowledge thinks they are.

maybe they will someday(lebron maybe, not wade.)

but i don't think either has it in them to push to be the greatest. neither really have that fire, both have basically said they don't really want to be known as great basketball players.

To be fair to Wade, his team is worse then what Kobe had the last 2 seasons.

I'll take Lamar, Luke Walton, Kwame Brown over what Wade has this season. Remember Mourning is out.

Lebron did lead his team to 50 wins and the Finals last season. I think you need to give the Cavs a full season.

B-Scott wrote:

We are on pace for about 54 wins... in the west

BobbySura wrote:dwade and lbj are just put above kobe because of kobe/la haters and casual fans.

no one that has any lick of actual basketball knowledge thinks they are.

maybe they will someday(lebron maybe, not wade.)

but i don't think either has it in them to push to be the greatest. neither really have that fire, both have basically said they don't really want to be known as great basketball players.

Not sure what D-Wade's problem is, but you have to give LBJ some credit.He's playing with guys like Gooden and Hughes and Snow.

And his coach is about as pathetic as you can fine. At least D-Wade and Kobe are playing with coaches that at least have a clue, and have won.LeBron's coach is a joke, and doesn't seem to have a clue.


The only reason the Cavs win is because of LBJ. Look at their record without him this year.

I think once he gets some talent, and a better coach, and continues to get older, he'll be an unstoppable force.

I don't think the same of D-Wade though.

B-Scott wrote:To be fair to Wade, his team is worse then what Kobe had the last 2 seasons.

I'll take Lamar, Luke Walton, Kwame Brown over what Wade has this season. Remember Mourning is out.

Lebron did lead his team to 50 wins and the Finals last season. I think you need to give the Cavs a full season.

In my opinion, I think Wade is surrounded with equal talent that Kobe had the couple years. Kobe's starting pg for the past two years, Smush Parker, CAN'T EVEN MAKE THE BENCH FOR THE HEAT; so obviously Jwill >>> Smush. Ricky Davis is a little better than Luke and Odom is better than Haslem. Shaq is better than Kwame and Mark Blount is equal in talent to Kwame.

Also, Kobe put that team on his shoulders in the tough western conference. We were also one of the youngest teams in the league for the past 3 years.
People just don't give credit for what Kobe's done the past few years.

Interestingly enough, the cavs have won only half their games and LBJ is getting a ton of props for his stats. Yet his team is largely the same team he's been playing with for the past few years. Whatever happened to making his teammates better?

Two years ago, Kobe put up a monster season and everybody was cutting him down due to their record. Surely, if he was that great, he would make all these rookie, d-league, or retiring players into quality ballers.

It's a double standard, it always has been with Kobe. And that's how he and we like it.

Our successes this season will mostly likely be attributed to Bynum and Fisher, not Kobe. He'll just be taken for granted.

Both Lebron and Wade are phenomenal players.

However, I feel that their legacies have been prematurely glorified due to both of them riding very easy playoff schedules to the finals.

Lebron: The Cavs team that made the playoffs last year may have been one of the worst finals teams ever.

The fact that they were even there was kind of a fluke. They had two give-me series against the Wizard backups and a .500 Nets team. They got hot against a Detroit team with zero depth.

Side note, although he's a better player at the same age, up until this season Lebron's never shown the mettle that young Kobe showed during the 3 championships.

D-Wade: On a deep Heat roster was able to beat Detroit which led to a finals showdown with a choke artist Dallas team.

He played some phenomenal basketball and showed some Kobe-like composure, but that one series against a Dallas team that had just gone seven games with the Spurs, should not elevate him to all-time status.


Personally, I don't think either would have even sniffed the finals by now if they had played in the west (Lebron definately wouldn't, Wade would have been close but I don't think Miami would have been able to play 3 tough west teams in a row).

I think now that Wade isn't surrounded by veterans and Lebron has to face tougher opponents, we'll really see what kind of spirit they have to go through it alone like Kobe has.

milesfides wrote:Also, Kobe put that team on his shoulders in the tough western conference. We were also one of the youngest teams in the league for the past 3 years.
People just don't give credit for what Kobe's done the past few years.

Interestingly enough, the cavs have won only half their games and LBJ is getting a ton of props for his stats. Yet his team is largely the same team he's been playing with for the past few years. Whatever happened to making his teammates better?

Two years ago, Kobe put up a monster season and everybody was cutting him down due to their record. Surely, if he was that great, he would make all these rookie, d-league, or retiring players into quality ballers.

It's a double standard, it always has been with Kobe. And that's how he and we like it.

Our successes this season will mostly likely be attributed to Bynum and Fisher, not Kobe. He'll just be taken for granted.

To be fair, Lebron's stats this year are a little more impressive than Kobe's stats 2 years ago.

Yes, the team is similar to that of past years but their key guys are getting pretty old and believe it or not larry hughes is ALOT worse than last year

B-Scott wrote:Lebron did lead his team to 50 wins and the Finals last season. I think you need to give the Cavs a full season.

Yet Kobe doesn't get the same benefit of the doubt from you. Funny.

By the way, how are the Jazz doing with Deron Williams (someone you said would be able to lead this team further than Bryant) leading them in Utah? lmao.

Dwyane Wade is a bit overrated in my opinion due to him winning that championship by himself. He was being praised as the best player in the game after his performance that year against Dallas "Chokes in the playoffs" Mavericks. I have always felt like he is definitely inferior to Kobe because his inability to shoot the long ball.

LeBron is probably the only guy in the NBA that has what it takes to compete with Kobe. He and Kobe aren't the same type of player and it is kind of difficult to compare them. LeBron is a more natural passer. He gets everyone involved but he is not as good of a pure scorer as Kobe because his inability to to shoot well.

Dwyane Wade is a bit overrated in my opinion due to him winning that championship by himself. He was being praised as the best player in the game after his performance that year against Dallas "Chokes in the playoffs" Mavericks. I have always felt like he is definitely inferior to Kobe because his inability to shoot the long ball.

LeBron is probably the only guy in the NBA that has what it takes to compete with Kobe. He and Kobe aren't the same type of player and it is kind of difficult to compare them. LeBron is a more natural passer. He gets everyone involved but he is not as good of a pure scorer as Kobe because his inability to to shoot well.

LeBron will be the one that surpasses Kobe first (he's damn close, if not already there), based on his progress and how he's currently playing. There isn't one part of his game that I could really complain about. The only thing left is that killer instinct and will to win, which I think will stay in hiding until he's surrounded by more than a group of turds. Once he gets a good team around him, he's going to dominate (even more).

I never felt that Wade could hold the "Best Player in the World" torch due to his playing style. He relies far too heavily on getting to the FT line and he puts his body through way too much, which is already taking its toll.

They are amazing players but I dont think they are on the level yet of Kobe, probably Bron but I doubt Wade.

Personally I think Wade is done , I do .
Its going to be a miracle to see him come back to his form .
L.B.J he will surpase a lot of players even KOBE , but he still has a long road ahead of him .
KOBE , Haaaaaaaaa ......... I think we already know KOBEs value to this team and his game has been IMO very impressive , even though people keep talking about his shot selection or his scoring ability .

Lebron has a chance. Personally Wade to me is like Paul. Just under the Kobe, Lebron range.

Lebron is leaving Cavs according to Steven A and I think we are third on the list. Hopefully Kobe and him get closer over the next 2 years.

^^^ I have a really hard time believing he will come to the Lakers.

The following conditions would need to be true for LeBron/Kobe/Bynum to be on the same team:

1. Kobe would need to opt out and resign for less money.
2. We can't max out Bynum.
3. LeBron would need to take a pay cut.

If those things don't happen, it's not really possible for LeBron to wear P&G, assuming Kobe decides to stay.

Well Wade hasn't fully recovered from his surgery and from what I hear may never recover fully. His numbers are good this season but I personally think he's playing the worst ball of his career or the worst since his rookie year. The thing that puts me off Wade is his desire to retire at age 30 and become a male model/actor/musician