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Bynum & Ariza Injury & Loss to Cavs = GOOD For Laker

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Bynum & Ariza Injury & Loss to Cavs = GOOD For Laker 

Post#1 » by shobe_81 » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:33 am

Now now don't get mad at me for saying this but I really believe that the Injury of Bynum and Ariza is good for the Lakers and let me explain why. I understand that playoff standings/record wise the injuries don't help but I'm looking as if the Glass is "Half-Full."

It's not that I WANTED them to be injured, rather it's that they did get injured and instead of panicking, we should be a bit ok with it. I understand the same type of injuries started to pile up and dismantle the Lakers season last year but this year is different, Lakers have players who are more developed and improved with more depth, anytime you can take Smush off of your team, it is a definite ++++++PLUS

Bynum and Ariza were probably out two key players after Kobe, Bynum was a beast inside on offense and was a 2.1 blocks per game defensive anchor. And Ariza was a great man defender and a good cutter on offense providing Lakers with good inside physical play/dunks.

Now I don't believe that Bynum and Ariza won't be in shape when back from injury although it could take some time but will be fine before the playoffs hit and I also believe the Lakers will make the playoffs.

So that aside, why are the injuries good for the Lakers? MORE experience for our other players (The Machine, Farmer, Turiaff). Luke and Lamar have been struggling while our bench has picked up the slack, having these guys struggle now will help us in the long-run (that includes Kwame Freakin' Brown :nonono: ) When Bynum and Ariza return, our other players will have enough confidence and experience to know what they have to do because they had a much tougher task without Bynum & Ariza. And hopefully Luke and Lamar will come into their own once our key guys are healthy, our line-up will be back to normal and players such as Ronny and Kwame will have more experience from the playing time to better perform and be even more productive when they come off the bench.

The Loss to the Cavs was a tough one because that game was very win-able especially with Big Z not playing well and fouling out and Varejao (Sicho bob) getting injured. But it gave our guys a good lesson, Kobe got benched for a min to help him realize why going 1 on 1 is a bad thing especially when you've gone on a 15-2 run (although I wasn't FOR-IT with benching Kobe in 4th), Luke will understand that he cannot be always a pass-first guy, and Zen-Master will realize that we need better coaching (subbing in the right players at the right time) and better play-diagramming. It didn't help to have a personnel of Lamar/Ronny in at the last 10 seconds of the game when you need a 3. Why not put in Vlad (although he only played 5min) and Sasha instead and have Luke or Kobe inbound the ball, that way you have 4 (Fish,Kobe,Sasha,Vlad) good 3pt shooters when you need a damn 3.

Overall guys this is a really good team as it showed when our line-up was healthy, even when they were injured our last 3 game were very winnable: against Spurs we just didn't execute in the first 5 min of 3rd quarter, against Mavs Farmar made some bone-headed plays down the stretch of 4th quarter, and against Cavs Kobe tried to be a hero while getting caught up in the Lebron Vs. Kobe battle. So lets look at this experience as a positive one because this team will be something to reckon with come playoff time (provided our key players are healthy).

I know a big road trip is coming up and that it would've been great for us to see how a healthy Lakers would've performed the past 4 games and on the big road-trip but lets look at the glass as Half-Full rather than Half-Empty because our players will have more experience come playoff time and the following seasons (PROVIDED they are healthy).

And sorry for the long-reading (if you read that far :) ) and I'm probably repeating a lot but please don't get mad, I'm just improvising as I go along so try not to be upset over my grammatical errors and rather focus on the Lakers and my point :D
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Post#2 » by djericho » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:54 am

Is this Star24? or Kal-El24?

This is a very optimistic view considering...

How about a pessimistic one?

The injury to Bynum almost and very unlikely makes it that the lakers will trade Kwame before the deadline to make ourselves better. If a Kwame trade does go down we will need a big man in return.

Odom is forced to be #2 option again. Odom is a great 3rd option, very inconsistant at number 2. Do I wanna keep him? for now sure unless we can get someone who can play D, get rebounds and score. there's only one person I can think of (Artest) and he can probably be had in free agency so no need to trade him now.

Kobe is forced to score. We saw this in the cavs game. Especially on the last second shot walton didn't take. If fisher has a sub-par fisher shooting night we'll see more. the rest of the team defers to Kobe way too much. The only players that won't defer are Fisher, Sasha and Radmanovic (Must be a Euro thing, :rofl: ah... Slava where are you now???). Maybe Turiaf if he's extremely open and/or under the basket. Otherwise Kobe goes 1-on-1
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Post#3 » by shobe_81 » Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:12 am

This is not Star or anyone known around here, I don't post much but do read realgm often but I decided to post here for this matter. I think only Star knows me though (from CBS Crashed Again).

Anyways I understand what you're pointing out but the injuries weren't preventable and did happen and that is why I look at it as if the glass is Half-Full. I know we might (actually WE HAVE TO) have to trade Kwame but any other big man can help, Kwame is beyond pathetic (Lakers should pay us to watch Kwame play). Kobe need not go 1 on 1 all the time, I usually support Kobe going 1 on 1 because the other players stand around and watch too much but last night was different in the 4th, Kobe forced the issue against Lebron before he got benched.

I really believe this will help Lakers in long-run provided they are again healthy. Although I am very frustrated with the play of Vlad (getting injured for stupid reasons like the snowboarding), Luke and Lamar (not being aggressive and becoming a big liability on the defense), and Kwame (words are not enough to describe Brown's play, if anything he makes Shawn Bradly look like Wilt Chamberlain). And it doesn't help to have bad management (Mitch trading Butler for Kwame) sigh...

Oh and Kobe did get fouled on the play where Gibson stole the ball near the end. If we watch the replay in slow-mo, we can see Hughes swipe for the ball and in doing so hit Kobe in the face and on the arm, I'm sure Kobe wouldn't just start falling to the ground if he didn't get hit. But same thing cannot be said in normal speed because it happened so fast. But we always get ripped by refs when facing Cavs (remember Fisher going for the lose ball and Gibson falling to the floor resulting in a Foul on Fisher WT :banghead: :banghead: )
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Post#4 » by Chubby Chaser » Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:07 pm

I would of rather given the experience to Bynum (who just started playing like a beast, and still needs to build his confidence) and Ariza (who is in his first year in the triangle) as opposed to giving the experience to Luke, Kwame, Sasha, Lamar or Turiaf. All of which have had triangle experience and have been with the team for a few years now. And these injuries don't affect Jordan's playing time, so I don't see the rationale of him getting more PT by these injuries.
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Post#5 » by Lakers05 » Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:25 pm

Honestly, if the Hornets stayed as the 1st seed, then I wouldn't mind the 8th seed at all, as long as Bynum is healthy that is.

Also, to further illustrate Bynum's importance, the Hornets have won their last 17 of 18 games, with victories against the Spurs and Mavs. That only loss was at home against us, in a blowout, that really was never in doubt after the 1st quarter(unlike Boston's blowout against us, which can be attributed to the short shorts and Bynum not playing at the same level.)

*sign* I remember at the time how this team simply looked so unbeatable. I really think that had he stayed healthy, we would have seen those games where Bynum would put up 25, 17, and 4 and Kobe putting up 37, 8 and 5 on a regular basis. Maybe this injury is just the universe's way of keeping things in order.

Regardless, it is VERY important for Bynum to take his time coming back here. I don't care if there's only one week left in the season till he comes back. His future dominance is too important. Plus, if he's not 100% healthy, then we'd have no chance anyway.
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Post#6 » by TonyMontana » Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:26 pm

I cant believe we're getting our A55es handed to us and we lost 4 games and we barly beat Sonics and Wolves.
Bynum and Ariza are out for another 6 weeks , and your telling us its good for us .

If you have'nt realized we are falling in the standings .

We Suck , and its good for us . :rofl:

Okay if you say so .
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Post#7 » by shobe_81 » Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:55 pm

TonyMontana wrote:I cant believe we're getting our A55es handed to us and we lost 4 games and we barly beat Sonics and Wolves.
Bynum and Ariza are out for another 6 weeks , and your telling us its good for us .

If you have'nt realized we are falling in the standings .

We Suck , and its good for us . :rofl:

Okay if you say so .


of course it's not good for us in standings wise but the fact is that Bynum and Ariza DID get hurt and instead of looking at all the negatives pilling up, we should look at the positives. Our other players have pressure now that they weren't expected to have with Bynum and Ariza healthy, in the long-run (come playoff time) this pressure will help them stay strong (this doesn't include Brown).

But Kobe D does bring a good point, Ariza and Bynum haven't had enough experience in the triangle as apposed to Luke/Lamar/Kwame etc.

So lets hope our team will be even better when they are again healthy near the end of the season than they were before the injuries piled up because right now we are the Chicago Bulls, a very perimeter oriented team will little to no presence inside on the Center position.
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Post#8 » by TonyMontana » Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:18 pm

shobe_81 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



of course it's not good for us in standings wise but the fact is that Bynum and Ariza DID get hurt and instead of looking at all the negatives pilling up, we should look at the positives. Our other players have pressure now that they weren't expected to have with Bynum and Ariza healthy, in the long-run (come playoff time) this pressure will help them stay strong (this doesn't include Brown).


Stay strong , and be positive .
Okay Im down


shobe_81 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-But Kobe D does bring a good point, Ariza and Bynum haven't had enough experience in the triangle as apposed to Luke/Lamar/Kwame etc.

Your talking about three of the worst players in the Lakers Roster .
Luke , doesnt even have a clue about the shot clock .
L.O has and will never be a big factor in Lakers success , I dont think Im alone on this .
Kwame ...... Well Kwame ......... he's just sensitive ..........
You know , he just needs a hug now and then , and when he does we hope he can catch a ball now and then and hopefully he can make a wide open dunk one of these days .

So you basically named three of the Lakers that are going to take us to the promise land with the absence of Bynum and Ariza or at least we can hope they can ........ Right ? :clap:
I see a bright future with these three guys , since well in the past 4 years , they havent really been a big factor in this teams success .
Now I hope that they can step up and come through for us .

shobe_81 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-So lets hope our team will be even better when they are again healthy near the end of the season than they were before the injuries piled up because right now we are the Chicago Bulls, a very perimeter oriented team will little to no presence inside on the Center position.



Okay Im down .
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Post#9 » by Dexmor » Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:14 pm

No I am only happy if we get in the lottery and get Kevin Love or a shot at Beasley. I am a college bball guy so that is the only brightside I see and I already made my 3 page long posts on it.
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Post#10 » by TonyMontana » Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:57 am

Kalel24 wrote:No I am only happy if we get in the lottery and get Kevin Love or a shot at Beasley. I am a college bball guy so that is the only brightside I see and I already made my 3 page long posts on it.


Come on Star
Why do you always do this .
Every single thread is either a draft prediction or a trade involving Kwame and Richard Jefferson.
Give it a break .

I mean it's not even mid season yet .

As far as your three page post .

WE KNOW .
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Post#11 » by shobe_81 » Sat Feb 2, 2008 8:30 pm

So does anyone now think it was a good thing for the Lakers, we got Gasol out of it, I doubt it would've happened if Bynum was still healthy :-? :D

I just hope our players get healthy so we can see what we can do in a short time in the playoffs, that will really set the pace for the next season.
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Post#12 » by hermes » Sat Feb 2, 2008 8:50 pm

we'll never know if the trade would have happened if bynum didn't go down, maybe the trade happened faster than it would have otherwise because of the injuries
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Post#13 » by hermes » Sat Feb 2, 2008 8:50 pm

we'll never know if the trade would have happened if bynum didn't go down, maybe the trade happened faster than it would have otherwise because of the injuries

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