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Farmar or Fisher?
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:59 am
by J Rob
I don't start too many threads, but after discussing the point with miles it seems like a good question to ask:
Should Farmar take the starting job and the lion's share of the minutes over Fisher?
Fisher is and was always a great leader, but we get stagnate sometimes with him in.
On top of that, isn't this the only way we can know if Farmar is worth keeping or trading for Jason Kidd?
Right now, we're trying to speculate on 20 minutes of play with the reserves, if the 21 year old point guard is worth offering or retaining in a trade for the greatest PG in the last 15 years.
Imo, we should give him the starting job with 30+ minutes and see what we're really working with so we know if its worth giving him up for 2 or 3 years of Kidd.
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:04 am
by DoctaJ
If we're going to do that..
In my opinion, I'd like to see Farmar, Fish, Kobe start, atleast while Ariza/Walton are injured and Vlad is still getting back into the game.
I agree that Farmar needs to get more minutes.
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:09 am
by J Rob
^ Or even put Sasha in that SG role.
He locked up Crawford tonight.
As Miles said in the Kidd thread, our best lineup is...
Farmar
Sasha
Kobe
Odom
Turiaf
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:22 am
by tagsu
tough question.. it's hard to deal away any homegrown talent such as farmar.. sure championships are the ultimate goal but it is the path there which yields the true glory.. my heart says keep farmar but my brain says get kidd he's a proven champ.
i think really the question should be taken in a larger context such as what is our system of playing basketball and how well does kidd fit as a piece to a laker championship
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:30 am
by tagsu
tough question.. it's hard to deal away any homegrown talent such as farmar.. sure championships are the ultimate goal but it is the path there which yields the true glory.. my heart says keep farmar but my brain says get kidd he's a proven champ.
i think really the question should be taken in a larger context such as what is our system of playing basketball and how well does kidd fit as a piece to a laker championship
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:46 am
by crazyeights
I'm pretty sure in the pre-game tonight they talked about how Farmar averages more minutes in the 4th than anyone, IIRC.
I think that means he's already seen as the clear choice in a Farmar or Fisher debate.
The way I see it, they're just slowly brining him along for him to eventually take the team's reigns. I think though that he doesn't just need more minutes but more responsibility within the offense. But over the last few games I feel that's already begun. Also tonight's 9 assists showed he can do more than just shoot.
As long as D-Fish is playing relatively well, I say keep Farmar at the steady pace they're taking him. They're probably just making sure he doesn't hit a wall before the playoffs.
That's when I see him really taking over. I think Phil's doing a good job bringing him along.
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:37 am
by CITYOFANGELSX3
I Love farmar
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:18 pm
by G35
Yeah I like Farmar a lot too but Fisher brings a lot of leadership. Kobe respects him a lot........
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:51 pm
by crackjack
Keep Farmar on the bench, but give him more minutes.
That's a good solution.
I like having Fisher out there to start the game. His leadership helps to maintain that there's not a meltdown early in the game. He can control the other guys on the floor. Provide a calming influence.
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:46 pm
by That Nicka
Fisher starts, Farmar closes and plays more minutes
Farmar Vs The Big Tuna
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:49 pm
by large1974
Do we really need to go into this? Trust me there will be some games when Farmar dose well and more games when Fish dose well. Currently I think we should adjust to whatever team we are playing and not get into the whole who should start and who should not start. In this pro game its all about match up's and the differance between Phil and other Coaches he finds a way to give teams match up problems. So I guess to answer your question on who should start. I think it all depends on who we are playing.
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:25 pm
by BallAboveAll
Well I like Fish and I think he should continue to start. He's slowed down the last few games or so. But for the most part he's been lights out as far as shooting.
I would trade Farmar for Kidd if it was available. I think Crittenton can possibly have just as much potential as Jordan (Farmar lol).
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:32 pm
by Erik Eleven
crazyeights wrote:I'm pretty sure in the pre-game tonight they talked about how Farmar averages more minutes in the 4th than anyone, IIRC.
I think that means he's already seen as the clear choice in a Farmar or Fisher debate.
The way I see it, they're just slowly brining him along for him to eventually take the team's reigns. I think though that he doesn't just need more minutes but more responsibility within the offense. But over the last few games I feel that's already begun. Also tonight's 9 assists showed he can do more than just shoot.
As long as D-Fish is playing relatively well, I say keep Farmar at the steady pace they're taking him. They're probably just making sure he doesn't hit a wall before the playoffs.
That's when I see him really taking over. I think Phil's doing a good job bringing him along.
I agree 100%
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:33 pm
by Erik Eleven
crackjack wrote:Keep Farmar on the bench, but give him more minutes.
That's a good solution.
I like having Fisher out there to start the game. His leadership helps to maintain that there's not a meltdown early in the game. He can control the other guys on the floor. Provide a calming influence.
I agree 100%
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:37 pm
by hermes
That Nicka wrote:Fisher starts, Farmar closes and plays more minutes
ya i still think fisher should start
but farmar needs more minutes
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:40 pm
by BallAboveAll
I think Farmar should get more minutes but I'd lean to Fisher in the clutch.
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:43 pm
by TonyMontana
hermes wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
ya i still think fisher should start
but farmar needs more minutes
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:11 pm
by Lakers05
We don't have the luxury of bringing Farmar along slowly. Games are won and lost on very small differentials in this league(well, at least for the time with Bynum out). You saw what happened against the Cavs.
On average, a differential of 2 points is worth about 5 games for the season. If Farmar is worth 2 points over Fish, then we could be losing as much as 2 games in this stretch by not starting Farmar.
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:55 pm
by J Rob
Well, so much for finding out if Farmar is worth trading for Kidd or not:
PER WIRETAP:
The Lakers are not going to pursue Jason Kidd
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/50598/20080130/lakers_not_planning_to_enter_kidd_talks/
Maybe its for the best...Thorn's price always seemed so steep in any Lakers conversations.
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:55 pm
by SashAlex
Yeah ! Jordy should get more minutes !