How to destroy the Suns with Shaq in the paint

[tayzer]

I still can't believe the Suns are desperate enough to trade for Shaq. Shaq is wash up and is old.

Shaq can't guard a player like Gasol because he doesn't like to leave the paint. Gasol can shoot over him all day with the 20 footer.

Kobe can do the pick n roll all day on Shaq, he can't guard it when he was in his prime and till this day. Kobe would be free for a open jump shot.

Bynum could do a baby hook shot over Shaq all day because we all know he can't jump no more.

Shaq can't stop penetrators no more and would just foul them everytime.

Gasol and Bynum can dance in circles around Shaq all day because he is so slow now.

Wow, Amare and Shaq would be fouling machines.

lol... I was hoping for a challenge by the Suns in the playoff, now I can forget it. I was enjoying Wade lose in Miami. Now, I would enjoy the Suns implode.

[slifersd]

For some reason, I kind of feel sorry for the Suns. They have got to be incredably desperate to trade the perfect fit Shawn Marion for Shaq, who fits them as well as a pair of size 8 sneakers fit Shaq's feet. Suns make a living playing the run and gun, and now with Shaq there, they can't run any more. And we all know that the Suns aren't exactly the best half court team there is. Not to mention their crappy defense will get even worse now that Marion is gone. I have enjoyed watching the Suns running and gunning for years because it is entertaining, but now I am afraid I will have to watch the Warriors (one of my most hated team) for some run and gun basketball.

This trade also brings an interesting dillemma for the Heat. Marion is a better player than Shaq right now, but I don't think they would want to resign him to the contract he wants. If they let him go, then what's the point of taking on Marcus Banks' contract? Anyone else think we might get a shot at landing Marion this summer for a sign and trade with Odom going the other way? He would be perfect here and likely won't get a contract much larger than Odom's.

[Showtime:Part2]

there is a VERY easy way:

run the pick and roll. always been his weakness. kobe gasol baby.

[hermes]

so are the suns abandoning their fast paced play
because shaq won't be able to keep up will he?

[EiRON]

Run the pick and roll all game long. Shaq is not very good at defending the pick and rolls.

[Tommy Trojan]

Part of the reason Shaq is horrible this season was he did not want to be there any longer. You add that to his injuries and you get a decline in his numbers.

I do not like this trade at all. I would rather have Marion playing for Phoenix then having Shaq if we see them in the playoffs.

[Joe Kleazy]

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[TonyMontana]

Part of the reason Shaq is horrible this season was he did not want to be there any longer. You add that to his injuries and you get a decline in his numbers.

I do not like this trade at all. I would rather have Marion playing for Phoenix then having Shaq if we see them in the playoffs.

Honestly , he is washed up .
This isn't the same Shaq that use to run with the Lakers , even when he was in Miami , he couldnt keep up .

I think he is actually going to hurt the Suns more than he can help them , but then again thats just me.

[ocoast2005]

Even at 60-70% Shaq is better tahn any center Suns have had in a while
this not counting Amare as a true center..
will shaq be a roll player for PHX or will his ego take over.
is he willing to commit to getting in shape or did he leave Miami cause Riley was pushing him too hard
only time will tell , imho as a die hard laker fan shaq was one of the top ten players of his generation , his decline is hurting him more mentaly than anything else...

To answer OP simple foul him out

[Kilroy]

IDK...

Think Shaq/Amare/Diaw/Barbosa/Nash...

That's a pretty good counter to Bynum/Gasol/Odom/Kobe/Fish...

Not a great counter but pretty good.

I think they might be heading to a half-court offense though.

I don't think it'll help much this year but next year, after they get a game-plan in place to utilize the pieces, that'd be a pretty tough team to beat.

[B-Scott]

You guys may disagree,but i think Bynum will have a lot more problems with the Shaq/Amare frontline then Marion/Amare

More size and a much bigger body to bang with Bynum

Even though Shaq does not guard the pick and roll very well,he's still 7-0 300 pounds and a much bigger body then Amare Stoudamire.

Bynum can't just back down Shaq in the paint like he does Amare

Also i wouldnt be surprised to see the Suns use a similair defensive strategy as the Celtics. Bynum had some problems with Kendrick Perkins who's a big body,and they simply had KG stay in the paint and key in on those alleyoop passes to Bynum.

Have Shaq guard Bynum 1 on 1 with Amare staying back to help on the lob pass like KG did with the Celtics. With Marion in the lineup,you can not use this strategy because Marion can not guard Bynum which would allow Amare to be a help defender.

[Taiwan Killa]

You guys may disagree,but i think Bynum will have a lot more problems with the Shaq/Amare frontline then Marion/Amare

More size and a much bigger body to bang with Bynum

Even though Shaq does not guard the pick and roll very well,he's still 7-0 300 pounds and a much bigger body then Amare Stoudamire.

Bynum can't just back down Shaq in the paint like he does Amare

Also i wouldnt be surprised to see the Suns use a similair defensive strategy as the Celtics. Bynum had some problems with Kendrick Perkins who's a big body,and they simply had KG stay in the paint and key in on those alleyoop passes to Bynum.

Have Shaq guard Bynum 1 on 1 with Amare staying back to help on the lob pass like KG did with the Celtics. With Marion in the lineup,you can not use this strategy because Marion can not guard Bynum which would allow Amare to be a help defender.

That's a great idea. So while Amare is staying back to help on Bynum Pau Gasol who will be unguarded can drop 30/10/5

[YiYaoYue]

You guys may disagree,but i think Bynum will have a lot more problems with the Shaq/Amare frontline then Marion/Amare

More size and a much bigger body to bang with Bynum

Even though Shaq does not guard the pick and roll very well,he's still 7-0 300 pounds and a much bigger body then Amare Stoudamire.

Bynum can't just back down Shaq in the paint like he does Amare

Also i wouldnt be surprised to see the Suns use a similair defensive strategy as the Celtics. Bynum had some problems with Kendrick Perkins who's a big body,and they simply had KG stay in the paint and key in on those alleyoop passes to Bynum.

Have Shaq guard Bynum 1 on 1 with Amare staying back to help on the lob pass like KG did with the Celtics. With Marion in the lineup,you can not use this strategy because Marion can not guard Bynum which would allow Amare to be a help defender.

Your right that having Shaq will slow down our interior offense a little (especially for Bynum)... but I also feel Shaq will slow down Suns tempo and that means they won't be as big of and offensive threat as they were with marion. Maybe I'm overrating marion a lot, but I still think he is a huge part of their offense as a versatile player giving them both second chance opportunities, some scoring, and moving the ball. If Boris Diaw steps up as a starter then that might be a different story, but he only had a few good games and they also no longer have a good backup SF.

[Chubby Chaser]

We've never seen how good the suns are in the half court. Personally I don't think Nash can handle a half-court system, nor do I think D-antoni knows how to coach one. But I think that they finally figured out that small teamed run n gun offenses don't win championships. Sure we won it with the show time era, but we also had KAJ to slow it down and throw it into when we needed to re-group. The suns finally figured that out, but I think they figured it out about 2 years too late.

[The Laker Kid]

You guys may disagree,but i think Bynum will have a lot more problems with the Shaq/Amare frontline then Marion/Amare

More size and a much bigger body to bang with Bynum

Even though Shaq does not guard the pick and roll very well,he's still 7-0 300 pounds and a much bigger body then Amare Stoudamire.

Bynum can't just back down Shaq in the paint like he does Amare

Also i wouldnt be surprised to see the Suns use a similair defensive strategy as the Celtics. Bynum had some problems with Kendrick Perkins who's a big body,and they simply had KG stay in the paint and key in on those alleyoop passes to Bynum.

Have Shaq guard Bynum 1 on 1 with Amare staying back to help on the lob pass like KG did with the Celtics. With Marion in the lineup,you can not use this strategy because Marion can not guard Bynum which would allow Amare to be a help defender.

If you haven't heard.. we got Pau Gasol.

[B-Scott]

Very true and Gasol will have to be the difference because i think Bynum will struggle a little. Bynum struggles against big bodies. Especially against veterens who talk some smack to him like KG and Perkins were.

Shaq will slow down there offense,but where has Phoenix gotten with this small ball style. They need someone who can bang with Duncan 1 on 1 and not make ot so easy on him. The same with the Laker bigs

Marion is to small to defend elite post players. He cant even guard Lamar in the post. How is he going to guard Duncan and Gasol

[YiYaoYue]

Very true and Gasol will have to be the difference because i think Bynum will struggle a little. Bynum struggles against big bodies. Especially against veterens who talk some smack to him like KG and Perkins were.

Shaq will slow down there offense,but where has Phoenix gotten with this small ball style. They need someone who can bang with Duncan 1 on 1 and not make ot so easy on him. The same with the Laker bigs

Marion is to small to defend elite post players. He cant even guard Lamar in the post. How is he going to guard Duncan and Gasol

Thought marion did pretty well last year... I dont see how Shaq is going to be a mile better on defense. Duncan is still going to shoot 20 pts and get 10 rebounds on shaq or marion

[Joe Kleazy]

Suns - Marion, Banks......+ Shaq

is not a good counter for

Lakers - Kwame, critt.......+ Gasol

They lose a perfect fit, perimeter defense, 3 point shooter, 10+ rebounds, hustle and chemistry moving marion.

They only gain size, age, ego, playoff experience and MAYBE equal out on rebounds.

[YiYaoYue]

Even if I'm wrong about Shaq... I was right about Ben Wallace... that Chicago getting him and moving out Tyrus Thomas was a bad move. It looked like Ben was getting too old... it looks like Shaq is getting too old... If I'm right.. i'm 2-0, if I'm wrong I'm 1-1

[Spanish_Laker]

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