OT: Mayo question

[Dexmor]

I would normally just post this on the draft board but I don't know how sharp they are over there and I know you guys are smart and Mayo is a Cali guy and you guys probably get USC games over there and have seen him more then me.

My question is this

Why is it he is projected 5th or so? Draft boards say he will have a individual career like Jordan/Kobe although he is not quite as athletic or as big as them so he probably won't be quite as good.
Now if he is sopposed to be that good or has a chance to be like that why is he not projected top 2 or at least 3? I understand Rose because Rose could be the best pg in 2 years and is pretty can't miss, has the scoring to take over a game and the passing. Beasley I personally don't understand but I see how others think that with him being a big man but he isn't a big man Center or even a real pf. He is a natural sf and projected as such. Even if you take out those 2 guys out of the equation why is he not projected next?

[Dexmor]

Also nbadraft.net which I think is an incrdible draft site which I respect there comparison is Ben Gorden and it was Gorden/Marbury. He is not an undersized pg who doesn't like passing or can't in Gorden's case because he is 6'4 or so 6'3 at the shortest which would mean he would be listed at 6'5 once he is drafted. That is plenty tall to play sg. If he were to play pg he would be more like Gilbert Arenas if anything although I think he is better then Gil.

I just don't see why he is projected after Lopez,Bayless and sometimes even Gorden.
Also since he is not to short to play sg what is all the negitive about not being able to play pg and shooting to much. To me he is a sg who can play pg who might be a little selfish but he is so young that could be worked on.

He is athletic, can shoot, can pass, can play 2 positions so why he is projected so low?
Isn't this clearly going to be a slip/steal like the Bogut year when Paul and Williams slipped bigtime?


Please help all info will be appreciated.

[dleeaudiox]

OJ mayo has the best overall talent and potential out of the guards in the draft. His size, passing skills, jumpshot, and ball handling is second to none at that size. Unlike derrick rose, oj mayo went to a school that isnt known for their basketball. He couldnt carry the load and showcase what he can do. Memphis would still be a top notch school without rose on the roster. he definitely wasnt the best player for the tigers this year. Mike beasley is probably the best player in the draft but the small forward position is stacked in the nba. Oj Mayo will be a steal mark my words

[Dexmor]

Regardless this is not a Rose vs Mayo debate. My question is he is not projected even third. They have Lopez and Bayless over him. That is the part I don't get. Can somebody explain that to me? Why is Bayless and Lopez over him? Why is he projected around 5?

[Gerald3Wallace]

if i ran the draft..it would go like this

1- beasley (obvious reasons)
2- Rose (has a huge upside and a lot of potential)
3- Mayo (many were dissapointed with his college year, more TOs than assists)
4- Bayless (killed it this year)
5-Lopez (best pure center in the draft)

[Dexmor]

How is it obvious? A Melo type sf is not more valuable then a great pg with size (Rose). Switch them 2 and you got it.

[Gerald3Wallace]

and there is OBVIOUS reasons....beasley straight up murked tho whole college season..

getting what? 25 pts 10+rebs?? and besides...if the heat get first pick(worst rec) you honestly think they would pick Drose??

wade, marion, beasley is one hell of a trio, IF beasely carries his talent over to the nba

[tkb]

Sucks that Mayo really wants to come here to learn from Kobe, and that we have no shot at getting him.

[Chubby Chaser]

I don't buy into all the mayo hype like other people have. I've seen him play a lot, and I'm not completely sold. He's passive at time. He's folded under pressure in some big games. He got completely shut down by westbrook when he played UCLA. I just think there are alot of other more polished players than him. He's overrated in my book, and will probably take 2-3 years to see some real contributions from this kid in the pros. At best, I would see him as a Brandon Roy. But roy made a smart decision and stay for his senior year at Washington. He worked on his game and polished it b4 entering the pros. Hopefully for mayo's sake ,he'll get drafted by a team that would nourish him and give him room to grow.

[O.C Brandon]

I don't buy into all the mayo hype like other people have. I've seen him play a lot, and I'm not completely sold. He's passive at time. He's folded under pressure in some big games. He got completely shut down by westbrook when he played UCLA. I just think there are alot of other more polished players than him. He's overrated in my book, and will probably take 2-3 years to see some real contributions from this kid in the pros. At best, I would see him as a Brandon Roy. But roy made a smart decision and stay for his senior year at Washington. He worked on his game and polished it b4 entering the pros. Hopefully for mayo's sake ,he'll get drafted by a team that would nourish him and give him room to grow.

Completely shut down vs Westbrook of UCLA? well if that's the case then he completely shut Westbrook down as well. Give him a break.

1st meeting: Westbrook 2-11 4pts 2asst. Mayo 5-12 16pts 4asst

2nd meeting: Westbrook 2-11 7pts 2asst. Mayo 2-8 4pts 3asst

3rd meeting: Westbrook 5-14 13pts 3asst. Mayo 6-16 15pts 4asst

It looks like Mayo is one of those guys that when he's not having a great offensive night, he's playing superb on ball defense.

Id take him with the 3rd pick...off potential.

[sh0win]

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Completely shut down vs Westbrook of UCLA? well if that's the case then he completely shut Westbrook down as well. Give him a break.

1st meeting: Westbrook 2-11 4pts 2asst. Mayo 5-12 16pts 4asst

2nd meeting: Westbrook 2-11 7pts 2asst. Mayo 2-8 4pts 3asst

3rd meeting: Westbrook 5-14 13pts 3asst. Mayo 6-16 15pts 4asst

It looks like Mayo is one of those guys that when he's not having a great offensive night, he's playing superb on ball defense.


Id take him with the 3rd pick...off potential.

And THAT is the exact reason why you're not a GM. Your inability to scout players makes you a worthless poster. O.J. Mayo has a questionable attitude, he can't play team ball. He has low bball IQ, he TOs more than he gets Assists. He has bad footwork, he can't guard a tree. I've watched every single O.J. Mayo college game and he is NOT impressive at all. He's another Tony Allen that likes to jack up more ****. His motto is, "when in doubt, shoot the ball." Problem is, he's always clueless on the floor, which makes him doubtful. You know the rest...

And I bet the Mayo would be the perfect fit on the Knicks - he'd fit in with that horrific and cancerous roster.

[O.C Brandon]

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And THAT is the exact reason why you're not a GM. Your inability to scout players makes you a worthless poster. O.J. Mayo has a questionable attitude, he can't play team ball. He has low bball IQ, he TOs more than he gets Assists. He has bad footwork, he can't guard a tree. I've watched every single O.J. Mayo college game and he is NOT impressive at all. He's another Tony Allen that likes to jack up more ****. His motto is, "when in doubt, shoot the ball." Problem is, he's always clueless on the floor, which makes him doubtful. You know the rest...

And I bet the Mayo would be the perfect fit on the Knicks - he'd fit in with that horrific and cancerous roster.

I'm not a GM because I'd take Mayo with the 3rd overall selection?

Some GM will take him before the 7th pick, I don't believe he falls any further than that. You seem to have some anger built up inside for Mayo. If you really felt like he's that bad of a player then why did you watch every single USC game last season?

You mentioned a lot of things that O.J doesn't do well...and that's exactly why people are high on the kid, he has a lot of room to improve and guess what? players do improve most of the time. He averaged 21ppg on 45%, and yes he had a lot of turnovers but that's not going to stop a GM from taking him.

Which players would you take ahead of Mayo besides Rose and Beasley?

[TheUrbanZealot]

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And THAT is the exact reason why you're not a GM. Your inability to scout players makes you a worthless poster. O.J. Mayo has a questionable attitude, he can't play team ball. He has low bball IQ, he TOs more than he gets Assists. He has bad footwork, he can't guard a tree. I've watched every single O.J. Mayo college game and he is NOT impressive at all. He's another Tony Allen that likes to jack up more ****. His motto is, "when in doubt, shoot the ball." Problem is, he's always clueless on the floor, which makes him doubtful. You know the rest...

And I bet the Mayo would be the perfect fit on the Knicks - he'd fit in with that horrific and cancerous roster.

,,, and that is why you probably use RealGM to outlet your insecurity via throwing [personal attack removed]insults (e.g. worthless poster) to complete strangers. To take the time to actually type out insults is kind of pathetic, don't you think?

Now back to the topic at hand. For you to say you've watched every single OJ Mayo game and compare him to Tony Allen tells you A) you are a complete exaggerator B) you are taking something very objective (his skillset) and turning it into your subjective (his shot selection) opinion. OJ Mayo is nowhere NEAR Tony Allen. Maybe in build, but they are two completely different players. Tony Allen is not even remotely capable the scorer Mayo is. Tony Allen is a better (albeit overrated) defender. Tony Allen is "quick" like Mayo, if you want to compare anything. However, he is someone that can take over a game (which Tony Allen can't) and pretty much score at will. He shot the ball a lot because A) he was given the green light B) his team needed him to shoot a lot! I mean come on, USC had him, and Devon Jefferson. That's it! Ok, Taj Gibson, but he isn't any offensive juggernaut. Mayo had to carry the load as a freshman in a VERY competitive conference. As the season went on he actually became more of a facilitator and tooked for his teammates more. I saw a game against Arizona St. in which he nearly singlehandedly brought his team back. I mean this guy went crazy. That game showed me that this guy is probably going to make a couple of GMS scratch their head if they don't pick him based on "character" issues...

In any sense...Mayo has stardom written all over him. Can he bust? Sure...but he isn't anywhere NEAR Tony Allen territory, and I'd bank on you eating your words 2 years from now when you see Mayo dunk on him...

[milesfides]

keep it clean guys.

[lakerfan4488]

OJ is around the 5th pick because he is an undersized 2 guard and is not a true point guard yet.

[dockingsched]

oj mayo made me a fan during his season at usc. to me he was a drug troubled prima donna coming into college. during his season i saw him try to play in the flow of the game, play very good defense, and just be an overall good kid. the smoothness to his game reminded be of washington's brandon roy. i'd def. consider taking him with the 3rd overall pick.