Ungrounded speculation about Odom taking a pay-cut...

NBAWestFan · Post #1 » by **NBAWestFan** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:33 pm

Straight up ask him to resign a new contract with a new salary in 2010 and 4 to 5 years for 9 mil. If not tell him he is out of here. His chances of getting a title will be slim after 2009.

He is not smart enough is my bottom line to be consistent.

If he were smart like KG, Kobe and other allstar caliber players he would be making 15 to 18 million.

Reading, writing and math in school can help out in basketball too.

Since he is inconsistent and not too bright cut his pay or trade him.

We need to pay Bynum and Sasha and Ronny what they are due.

hate to put it that way but it is a business.

hermes · Post #2 » by **hermes** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:43 pm

way to get my hopes up, i thought he actually did :noway:

LA-LA-Land · Post #3 » by **LA-LA-Land** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:47 pm

not a fan of the title either :nonono:

Sedale Threatt · Post #4 » by **Sedale Threatt** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:48 pm

Poor phrasing. I had the same reaction.

Post #5 » by **semi-sentient** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:51 pm

I agree with the 3 posters above me.

KobeFan · Post #6 » by **KobeFan** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:55 pm

Odom still has at least 2 more prime seasons left. Some team will pay him competitively for his one prime season left (hopefully it's the Lakers)

I doubt Odom takes less than 4-5 years, at or around $50-60M.M

8'sReverse · Post #7 » by **8'sReverse** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:22 pm

Can anyone tell me of a player who has taken a pay cut within contract years?

LA-LA-Land · Post #8 » by **LA-LA-Land** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:27 pm

8'sReverse wrote:Can anyone tell me of a player who has taken a pay cut within contract years?

magic johnson comes to mind.

Erik Eleven · Post #9 » by **Erik Eleven** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:28 pm

The title is extremely misleading. I'll change it for you.

Post #10 » by **dockingsched** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:33 pm

its not even speculation EE, its more of a plea.

Erik Eleven · Post #11 » by **Erik Eleven** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:45 pm

dcash4 wrote:its not even speculation EE, its more of a plea.

Yeah. You're right. And when pleading, always insult the person you're asking to help you out. Telling him he can't read or write and that he's dumb enough to take a paycut can only help, right?

Post #12 » by **Danny Darko** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:04 pm

I think he should, and I think considering the emotional investment he has in the team he would. They are tight, he went to lengths to bolster the chemistry, and the stuff our team has supported him through is major, so I'm guessing he would.

Post #13 » by **Slava** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:53 pm

He would only drop down as much as his market value at the moment. He won't be resigning for MLE money if thats what you are expecting of him. Warriors and Miami could have major interest in him, we need to read the market pretty carefully and try to trade him before the december deadline for picks and young talent (if Buss is unwilling to pay lux. tax) or for another SF that fits our team's needs with Bynum in mind.

Post #14 » by **milesfides** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:16 pm

I don't think Odom should take a paycut. He should do what's best for himself.

Why should he take a paycut to save Buss a couple million? Relatively speaking, that few million mean a lot more to Odom than Buss.

The Lakers' offense isn't exactly the best fit for him, and it wasn't for lack of trying.

If Odom wants to make more money, and go to a team that could utilize more of his talents, where he'd feel more comfortable and fulfill his personal ambitions as a player, then he should pursue that.

If he wishes to take a paycut in order to be part of the Laker legacy, then I think it's a remarkable thing, but I think that would tremendously unfair to expect that from him.

hermes · Post #15 » by **hermes** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:13 pm

good point miles, we as fans want him to take less money in an attempt to keep the team together, but why should odom if he feels that his play has warranted his salary thats what he should get

KobeFan · Post #16 » by **KobeFan** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:27 pm

milesfides wrote:I don't think Odom should take a paycut. He should do what's best for himself.

Why should he take a paycut to save Buss a couple million? Relatively speaking, that few million mean a lot more to Odom than Buss.

The Lakers' offense isn't exactly the best fit for him, and it wasn't for lack of trying.

If Odom wants to make more money, and go to a team that could utilize more of his talents, where he'd feel more comfortable and fulfill his personal ambitions as a player, then he should pursue that.

If he wishes to take a paycut in order to be part of the Laker legacy, then I think it's a remarkable thing, but I think that would tremendously unfair to expect that from him.

I usually ignore the essays you seemingly write here everyday. But this is well said, and I agree 100%. Good stuff.

Tommy Trojan · Post #17 » by **Tommy Trojan** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:53 pm

hermes wrote:way to get my hopes up, i thought he actually did

madmaxmedia · Post #18 » by **madmaxmedia** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:54 pm

I think Odom's market value is somewhere in between MLE and what he's making now (but closer to his current salary.)

So to offer an extension which adds some years slightly below his current salary is technically a pay cut, but still not out of the range of his true market value IMO.

He might personally achieve more somewhere else, but he has too many holes in his game (number one being shooting) to be a big-time player on a contending team. He can be the #1 or #2 player on a bad to midlevel team.

So he can choose between playing for championships the next 3-4 years, or scoring 18 PPG in Milwaukee or something like that (mind you I'm not judging him either way.) It could go either way, the biggest factor is if the Lakers win a title next year. If they win, I think both sides will want to come to an agreement that works for everyone, and quite possibly will.

I'm not saying Lamar should do anything for the 'good of the team', I'm saying that they may very well find middle ground and be able to keep Lamar.

eckoner · Post #19 » by **eckoner** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:05 pm

guys guys guys come on now

Odom can go out and get 10 mil easy (granted teams had it to give)

There are many teams that would love to have him, especially if we simply gave him away as most of you guys have suggested we do

If we win it all Buss is not going to have a problem paying what it takes to win again and again.

Shortcut to thinking dictates Buss will dump him to save a few million..Wrong do you guys actually have any clue as to how much money Buss walks away with every year?

It irks me everytime i read how were gonna give Odom away because Buss does not want to pay him and the tax

Heres an easy one for you all..goto Forbes.com and simply search Lakers and it might help shed a little light on why Buss can pay Odom and the tax without batting an eye if we come up with a championship

Now if you want to dump Odom because he's inconsistant that a whole other valid talk show but Buss, This team, and Salary Dump in the same sentence at this time is nonsense

Verbal · Post #20 » by **Verbal** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:28 pm

I'm glad I saved this thread of mine for these repetitive situations....

Verbals Memoirs of LA; Page 41, third post downward.

^Enjoy the nasty.

Lakers Mid-Season Checkup.

Losing to the Knicks is a low, but I'm sure we'll be able to bounce back; from our last game, and this three game losing skid.

Everything has gone according to plan, and I can't believe we still haven't made any significant trade moves yet.

One thing our management team does have is patience. Too bad it's because they don't know what to do.

A big bad would say certain members of Lakers management should have gotten toasters and radios as bath toys rather than rubber duckies.

Back to business, and back to the Lakers... it's time for some real talk.

[FYI, that wasn't a shoutout to Real "Tyke" Talk.]

A. How Long is Kobe suspended!?

I saw us down by 2-4 in the 4th quarter and I just knew Kobe was suspended. If we get Kobe back by the time we play against Washington - it's all good.

Speaking of Washington, I marked 2/3/07 for them already.

Kobe wants to show Gil what's really real.

B. Odom is not a natural leader.

What was Odom doing against a team that refuses to play defense!?

Did he just float around and go w/ the flow of our team? Probably.

But we need leadership. We need defense. We need IMPACT.

1. Odom is NOT the answer. Without a doubt.

He does not provide the impact we need. He can. But he doesn't.

As soon as the man is healthy and stable (in stats & production) we should look to move him for a better replacement, and worthy compensation.

Either we address our various needs, or we move Odom in a trade for a better co-leader (and perhaps address more of our needs in the process).

For the record, I think Odom would be an excellent 2nd co-leader, or 3rd string glue for us or any team.

He's not the type of player who can naturally be a superstar through our offense schemes; he's not an elite superstar like Kobe.

We don't need a second elite superstar either. Odom isn't the answer.

1) He doesn't command a double team (unless we're playing a small frontline).
2) He doesn't take offensive pressure off Kobe as a facilitator or initiator.
3) He lacks dominant inside game to help our offense run better.
4) His versatility means nothing to us b/c we don't take advantage of it.
5) He doesn't get a chance to display all of his offensive strengths in our offense.
6) He's not a good or great mesh w/ Kobe.
7) He can't read the Triangle Offense and deliver production as his job expects.
8. He doesn't score off-the-ball and make the job easier on our team.

2. Odom is a quick fix.

a) He