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Josh Smith
Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:11 pm
by tiredandhungry67
Re: Josh Smith
Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:17 pm
by B-Scott
Josh will not make the Lakers better then with Lamar. He's very athletic and a very good weakside shotblocker, people overate his defense. He's a average man to man defender. Like AK47 his 1 on 1 D is overated but a very good weakside shot blocker.
The team just made it to the Finals and Odom and Gasol have great chemistry. The ball movement was great and Gasol only played half the season. Imagine them with a training camp and full season together.
Josh would bring shotblocking and highlight ESPN Top 10 plays, but Lamar is a better ball handler, passer (very important)
Re: Josh Smith
Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:22 pm
by TylersLakers
That is one trade I would definitely do. Imagine Smith, Gasol, and Andrew Bynum in the paint. No opposing guard would want to drive the lane with all those shot blockers back there.
Re: Josh Smith
Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:24 pm
by TyCobb
See ya Odom. I would LOVE to trade Odom and a/some first/s for a resigned Josh Smith.
Re: Josh Smith
Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:45 pm
by iamworthy
Josh Smith has a chance to be something special under Phil Jackson and his staff.
Re: Josh Smith
Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:45 pm
by stillmatic73088
B-Scott wrote:Josh will not make the Lakers better then with Lamar. He's very athletic and a very good weakside shotblocker, people overate his defense. He's a average man to man defender. Like AK47 his 1 on 1 D is overated but a very good weakside shot blocker.
The team just made it to the Finals and Odom and Gasol have great chemistry. The ball movement was great and Gasol only played half the season. Imagine them with a training camp and full season together.
Josh would bring shotblocking and highlight ESPN Top 10 plays, but Lamar is a better ball handler, passer (very important)
Houston fan here but I figured I'd check in with my opinion. I basically agree with everything you said. Smith's defense is exactly like ak-47 because he makes big plays but he's not a good 1 on 1 defender. Having said that, lamar was ghost at times during the playoffs, which I don't believe josh smith will be. I can see both sides of it but with smith's age and the improvement he's shown every year if I was a laker fan I wouldn't mind getting him for lamar. Also, despite him not being a great 1 on 1 defender neither is odom. You guys would lose odom's passing ability(which is important) but gasol is a very good passer, in addition you don't need his ball handling skills as much as you would have in previous years because fisher is there.
Re: Josh Smith
Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:54 pm
by lakeshow248
He is only like 22 or 23 and a very good player, it would be worth a shot for sure to land him for Lamar but it is very unlikely in that Lamar is free-agent nxt yrs so you would think they would want insurance that he would stay by way of an extension.
As well Lamar will command similar money that they are unwilling to give Josh Smith--which is around the 10 million a yrs I understand.
Other thing is that another contract might have to be pushed the Lakers way, something like Speedy Claxton at 2 yrs for 11 mill or something to that affect.
The big twist in this specualtion is that, if in deed it is the LAkers, it could be someone other than Odom that they are speaking of. A Gasol or a Bynum going the other way be interesting for sure....
Farmar, Kobe, Bynum, Odom and J Smith be interesting..........
Farmar, kobe, Gasol, odom , J smith be interesting.....
Farmar, kobe, Bynum, J smith and monies to land someone w/ Gasol 15 a yrs gone and lamar gone at end of yrs. And you would get LAmar for this yrs but gain 19 mill W/ the difference of the Smith for 10 a yrs and Gasol's 15 and LAmar's 14.5....
For me Gasol for J Smith would be most benefical...you get a stud at SF for 10 yrs to come, you have a Centre of the future right now, in Bynum, and you may be able to keep Lamar at a reduced rate if he enjoys his role nxt yrs w/ J smith on board.....
Farmar, Kobe, Bynum, Odom and J smith very athletic and young..... Fish, Sasha, maybe back up big from ATL to match Pau Salary, Vlad, ARiza, Luke, Mihm
Re: Josh Smith
Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:54 pm
by Italianhanger
i would love to have josh smith
but being a realist this trade isn't going to happen
every team in the NBA hates the Lakers
we are the evil empire: the Yankees of the past and now the Red Sox of the present in baseball
gm's are still racking their brain that david stern allowed the gasol trade to go through
our defense will greatly increase with josh smith on our team but, c'mon we got lucky once
dont get me wrong:
i would love this trade to happen
but doubt it will
Re: Josh Smith
Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:04 pm
by AceFresh
Re: Josh Smith
Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:05 pm
by AceFresh
No way I trade BYNUM though Lakeshow
and I highly doubt Pau will be traded
Re: Josh Smith
Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:16 pm
by iamworthy
No way the Lakers are giving up Gasol or Bynum. The talk has been putting these 7 footers together and having a dominant front court. Plus I think Phil likes or loves Gasols game. He's a big that can shoot and pass, he's the perfect Phil Jackson player out side of his defense. Which wont really matter next year because Bynum will be back so he can gaurd the stonger player. LO as usual is the odd man out. Its no mystery why his name keeps coming up in trades every week. LO is a good player and he is a expiring contract. Thats a double whammy for him.
Re: Josh Smith
Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:28 pm
by B-Scott
I dont look at slam dunking as to why a player is better. Im not saying Josh is all about dunking because there are other things that he can do. But can Josh bring what Lamar brought to the table when it comes to the little things.
1. Move the ball and not being a ball stopper.
2. A willing passer
3. 4th option - Is he ok with this?
4. Will the Josh Smith/Gasol chemistry be the same as LO/Gasol? Will Josh make that extra pass inside the lane when someone cuts him off and finds Gasol for the and 1. Lamar is great on the inside with his quick touch passes to the bigs and finding them for high percentage layups and dunks.
If Josh is more looking for his own shot a lot more then Lamar then the team could end up worse. Also Josh's outside shot is actually worse then Lamar's.
The guy id trade Lamar for is Luol Deng. Great Mid-Range jumper and can play without the basketball.
Re: Josh Smith
Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:35 pm
by AceFresh
Who says he's the superior player b.c of dunking?^
No he's a much better slasher,
can defend better then LO
Is younger and more athletic.
And can FINISH much better
Sure odoms is versatile but how signifcant will that be when he's facing faster 3's
opposed to slow power forwards.
If smith can't Shoot at all? why would he be looking for his own shot then?
He's a slasher and can get hustle points. His fg% wasn't too bad either
He is .1 off from averaging 3 blks a game.
I'd pull this trade
Re: Josh Smith
Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:46 pm
by Kobay
THis trade doesn't make Phil Jackson happy but it certainly gives youth , athleticism we lack, and defense. Artest expires and signs the MLE with us next season. Swing that magic stick Mitch.
Re: Josh Smith
Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:02 pm
by B-Scott
AceFresh wrote:
Who says he's the superior player b.c of dunking?^
No he's a much better slasher,
can defend better then LO
Is younger and more athletic.
And can FINISH much better
Sure odoms is versatile but how signifcant will that be when he's facing faster 3's
opposed to slow power forwards.
If smith can't Shoot at all? why would he be looking for his own shot then?
He's a slasher and can get hustle points. His fg% wasn't too bad either
He is .1 off from averaging 3 blks a game.
I'd pull this trade
If you watch entire Atlanta games and many of them you will see that Josh can barley control the basketball on the dribble. He dribbles with his head down, he has problems creating off the dribble in a halfcourt set and is very turnover prone. His basketball IQ is also worse than Lamar's.
Playmaking between the two players is not even close. The only thing josh smith has over lamar odom is atheltic ability and that is IT. Defensively I would call them even because josh smith doesn't have team defensive principles his D is predicated on athleticism.
Blocking shots from the weakside does not make you a better defender 1 on 1.
Re: Josh Smith
Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:05 pm
by tisbee
They're talking about a SIGN-n-trade. Signing Smith for better than $10mil/yr. Think you have cap/lux tax problems now? If Bynum gets his,you're looking at $60mil+ on just 4 players. Not gonna happen.
Re: Josh Smith
Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:07 pm
by LLcoleJ
Italianhanger wrote:gm's are still racking their brain that david stern allowed the gasol trade to go through
On what grounds does stern have to not allow the Gasol trade?
Re: Josh Smith
Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:07 pm
by Kobay
All Buss has to do is cut off one of his Ho's to resolve the lux tax issue.
Re: Josh Smith
Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:15 pm
by That Nicka
I actually agree with B-Scott... I dont like Josh Smith on this team
Re: Josh Smith
Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:25 pm
by El Hardee
That Nicka wrote:I actually agree with B-Scott... I dont like Josh Smith on this team
This is the least appealing of all the SF rumors, I see it like this Deng>RonRon>GWall>JSmith.
