Bynum-Gasol not working well together

Post #1 » by **dockingsched** » Tue Oct 7, 2008 8:08 pm

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/bynu ... her-winter

Unless Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol find a flow on the floor together soon, Bynum could begin the regular season on the Lakers' bench.

"It has been mentioned," Lakers consultant Tex Winter said of the coaching staff's internal discussions. "We played pretty well last year without him."

If Lakers head coach Phil Jackson were still toting that cane around, he'd have spent most of training camp pointing it up at Bynum and Gasol, both 7 feet tall, and what they have been doing wrong as a twin-tower tandem.

"Right now, they're very clumsy; they're not working well together," Jackson said. "We've got a group that played very well together last year. There are some things that we have to discuss and see how long we drag this out – or how quickly we facilitate it, because I think we have got the ability to play exceptionally well if we use all our skill players."

Said Winter: "The complexion of our team changes considerably when you're playing Gasol and Bynum together. That's going to be a real project to work that out so both those guys can play up to their potential and really show what they can do."

SALMIEN · Post #2 » by **SALMIEN** » Tue Oct 7, 2008 8:23 pm

oh nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ps

SashAlex · Post #3 » by **SashAlex** » Tue Oct 7, 2008 8:39 pm

That was predictable...

Don't expect a fluent offensive game with Bynum and Pau in november, at least...

Chubby Chaser · Post #4 » by **Chubby Chaser** » Tue Oct 7, 2008 8:50 pm

People relax. This is what training camp and pre season is for. To let them work out the kinks. Remember Bynum hasn't played in 9 months. Pau has only been in the Triangle for half a season. And even then it's only been at center. PF is a whole new different story. Give them time to work it out

KB20 · Post #5 » by **KB20** » Tue Oct 7, 2008 9:17 pm

Chubby Chaser wrote:People relax. This is what training camp and pre season is for. To let them work out the kinks. Remember Bynum hasn't played in 9 months. Pau has only been in the Triangle for half a season. And even then it's only been at center. PF is a whole new different story. Give them time to work it out

QFT

If they're not doing well in say March, then we can talk. It's still early.

Post #6 » by **Danny Darko** » Tue Oct 7, 2008 9:53 pm

right it is early. Sounds like motivation. Because all that skill got us ran over last year in the finals. Drew must be worked in and if they abandon him for an all flash version of the Suns, we will be dealt with just like the suns. Drew has to be out there. I take the Lakers early run team with Bynum over the one that saw the great regular season record with Pau any day unless Pau finally became a tough center. Also makes me wonder if they are putting Drew through the ringer to negotiate the business end of things, which would be a scummy mistake to me.

Post #7 » by **Danny Darko** » Tue Oct 7, 2008 9:57 pm

Secondly to me, it's up to Pau to figure most of it out. He's changing spots and Drew knows how to be a center.

hermes · Post #8 » by **hermes** » Tue Oct 7, 2008 10:10 pm

Chubby Chaser wrote:People relax. This is what training camp and pre season is for. To let them work out the kinks. Remember Bynum hasn't played in 9 months. Pau has only been in the Triangle for half a season. And even then it's only been at center. PF is a whole new different story. Give them time to work it out

i don't want to relax this is my hopes and dreams we're talking about here

ok i'll give it some time

what would jack bauer do? · Post #9 » by **what would jack bauer do?** » Tue Oct 7, 2008 10:12 pm

I wanna see the old Pau from his earlier days with the Grizzlies. The dude is an absolute beast in the triangle, but I want to see less of his baby hook and more of his face-up and driving game. It seems to me Pau was a hell of a lot more agressive when he was the Grizzlies. When he got here I felt like he scored 80% of his points off of gimmes from the triangle and well... mainly from being fed by Kobe, kinda like Bynum did early last season. I think the move to power forward should free up that part of his game. I mean don't stop passing the ball and destroying other teams using the triangle like you do, but I just want to see some of that face-up and driving ability resurface.

I think Gasol is too good of a player for the Gasol/Bynum frontcourt not work. He's got a complete offensive game. I'll be disappointed if Gasol doesn't figure it out because Bynum is one hell of a tool for him to use offensively and defensively we need Bynum out there for big minutes.

Mamba Venom · Post #10 » by **Mamba Venom** » Tue Oct 7, 2008 10:25 pm

TONIGHT @ 7:00 LO will be 1, Fish 2, Kobe 3, Pau 4, Bynum 5

I CANT WAIT!!!

It takes time to learn how to utilize twin towers, just ask Duncan

Minhee · Post #11 » by **Minhee** » Tue Oct 7, 2008 11:02 pm

Didnt jerry west say the same thing about bynum and gasol last year? Can someone dig up the article cause I'm at work. Thanx.

DEEP3CL · Post #12 » by **DEEP3CL** » Tue Oct 7, 2008 11:08 pm

Danny Darko wrote:Secondly to me, it's up to Pau to figure most of it out. He's changing spots and Drew knows how to be a center.

I agree Double D, I could care less what Phil or Jerry West think about how the two are going to be together. I just want to see both on the court during crunch time during the season.

Post #13 » by **Danny Darko** » Tue Oct 7, 2008 11:22 pm

Yeah, West did say that. I think we'll be fine.. no panic here. Pau is a smart player and he has the tools to adjust, also... he's been excited to move to what he refers to as his natural position. It's just that it's a new thing for everyone.

Last year Phil started out griping about Bynum... to much expectations... Kwame is the starter.... blah blah blah... just motivation and early adjustments. This year starts with the same.

Luxury · Post #14 » by **Luxury** » Wed Oct 8, 2008 1:15 am

It's true, too early to have a fixed opinion.

Jerry West said that during the Playoffs (MVP ceremony day I think?), I don't recall any article.

If you can't take criticism from direct Laker representatives (the coach and consultant), who would you rather listen to? Real GM posters?

Lastly, in reference to poker, this is kinda like an all-in moment for the Lakers. Let's see if our "hand" holds up.

TonyMontana · Post #15 » by **TonyMontana** » Wed Oct 8, 2008 1:34 am

Come on Mangs, give it some time. I mean I can see Bynum being a bit of an issue but Pau Im not worried about.
FTW Go Lakers

CITYOFANGELSX3 · Post #16 » by **CITYOFANGELSX3** » Wed Oct 8, 2008 1:35 am

Work it out guys.

B-Scott · Post #17 » by **B-Scott** » Wed Oct 8, 2008 5:24 am

I made the point last season that i didn't think Gasol and Bynum would play well together. We become much slower and less versatile than when we have either Gasol/Lamar or Bynum/Lamar

Robinson and Duncan both could play away from the basket and knock down the face up 12 to 15 foot jumper. Ralph Sampson and Akeem as a tandem could not because Sampson could not knock down the mid range jumper. He needed to be closer to the basket to score despite his athletic ability.. Trade Lamar for a SF and we are in trouble.

But B-Scott dont know what he's talking about

Tesla · Post #18 » by **Tesla** » Wed Oct 8, 2008 5:52 am

But B-Scott dont know what he's talking about

Got that right, Hakeem was a rookie in 84-85, yet the duo of Hakeem+Sampson notched the Rockets about 20more wins than the prior season, turning them around from terrible to good/mediocre. Sampson and Hakeem both averaged 20/10 that season together.

In the season following, Houston won over 50games, again both Hakeem and Sampson had good numbers together, and they knocked out, who else, but the best team of the 80's, the L.A Lakers. Oh and If I remember correctly Sampson (The Guy that can't shoot unless he's right under the basket, hit a buzzer beating jumper over Kareem to win the series) They went on the the finals, only to loose to the one of the best teams of all time, the Boston Celtics.

The next two seasons, Sampson played 19 and 40 or so games, was injury plauged, and the Hakeem/Sampson twin towers never really got the chance to show their true potential; however, while they were on the court together, they were very promising.

Oh and Mike Miller is better than Kobe, Kevin McHale is a crap defender, and Deron Williams will solve all of our problems you just listed, as long as he replaces Kobe, because Deron Williams pwns.

Erik Eleven · Post #19 » by **Erik Eleven** » Wed Oct 8, 2008 6:23 am

Bynum seems to truly have added that jumper he said he'd been working on. Smooth as silk. If he starts sinking 12-15 foot fade-aways at a high clip, he'll be unguardable.

Pau has great PF skills, can't wait for us to see more of what he did tonight. I still think the two are a match made in heaven, for reasons mentioned too many times.

Ariza showed his IQ and tenacity. He's such a bright player — always in the right spot.

Karl demonstrated that he clearly has the decision making ability and skills to run this offense. He has a very good eye for the game and always passes crisply and timely. Again he showed flashes of being a player with maturity way beyond his age.

Farmar looked pretty good, but I would have expected more intense defense from him.

Mihm was a positive, but not so much a surprise. He seems to be healthy and that's great news for us.

Out of the rookies tonight, Giles impressed me the most.

What a deep team we'll have.

Chubby Chaser · Post #20 » by **Chubby Chaser** » Wed Oct 8, 2008 7:02 am

Erik Eleven wrote:Bynum seems to truly have added that jumper he said he'd been working on. Smooth as silk. If he starts sinking 12-15 foot fade-aways at a high clip, he'll be unguardable.

Pau has great PF skills, can't wait for us to see more of what he did tonight. I still think the two are a match made in heaven, for reasons mentioned too many times.

Ariza showed his IQ and tenacity. He's such a bright player — always in the right spot.

Karl demonstrated that he clearly has the decision making ability and skills to run this offense. He has a very good eye for the game and always passes crisply and timely. Again he showed flashes of being a player with maturity way beyond his age.

Farmar looked pretty good, but I would have expected more intense defense from him.

Mihm was a positive, but not so much a surprise. He seems to be healthy and that's great news for us.

Out of the rookies tonight, Giles impressed me the most.

What a deep team we'll have.

There. You forgot to put that in green.