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Ariza/Vujacic on-court argument
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:34 pm
by dockingsched
anyone else catch it last night? i didn't, but it explains why the bench mob was relegated to the bench during the 1st half.
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/vuja ... akers-odomThe discord arose after Ariza had the ball under the basket and passed it out to Vujacic on the wing. Rather than move it back to Ariza or another teammate, Vujacic just held it for a beat and then launched a 3-pointer out of the flow.
The shot missed badly, and Vujacic was soon called for a foul, leading to an automatic timeout with 8:37 left in the second quarter.
That’s when Ariza got in Vujacic’s face and stayed there as the players walked from the far corner of the court back toward the Lakers’ bench. Bryant shepherded Ariza toward the end of the bench and stood in his way while Ariza, who has a temper that his furtive demeanor belies, remained so keyed up that he just kept pacing.
Jackson benched both Ariza and Vujacic. As play was resuming, Jackson did something he never does: He left his usual area and walked to the end of the bench to address the matter directly with Ariza.
“It’s just something that we want to keep internal, so I’d just as soon not talk about it,” Jackson said after the game. “Trevor let it out, and it was unfortunate to see that on the court.”
Jackson also made a point late in the game to take Vujacic to task for misreading a play on offense. Assistant coach Kurt Rambis also spoke to Vujacic at length during another timeout about proper decision-making on offense.
Neither Ariza nor Vujacic wanted to dwell on the incident afterward, although Vujacic managed to make clear where primary responsibility lay by saying: “I wasn’t doing anything. I was playing basketball. … Have I done anything? Have I reacted inappropriately? Was I unprofessional?”
Said Ariza: “It wasn’t anything big. We both want to win. We’re out there and we’re competing, and we just had a little disagreement, that’s all.”
looks like one of the team leaders was able to calm the situation
Re: Ariza/Vujacic on-court argument
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:37 pm
by ChocolateThundr
"Machine catch....Machine shoot"
Re: Ariza/Vujacic on-court argument
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:44 pm
by Danny Darko
Machine miss dunk
Sasha will be fine, but he is playing less minutes and he does look out of sync. All last year when he was playing well he was also saying he had been allowed to make his mistakes and continue playing without worrying about losing minutes. Sasha needs minutes, but I have no idea where they would come from.
Re: Ariza/Vujacic on-court argument
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:47 pm
by TyCobb
I'm regretting the re-signing of Sasha. He's becoming painful to watch because of his on-court antics of constant crying and arguing, not to mention he's a one-dimensional player.
Re: Ariza/Vujacic on-court argument
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:18 pm
by milesfides
I think we need to start Vujacic, ironically, at PG. At least he can then be accountable for making decisions and getting his teammates involved.
As for now, he's in the game to shoot the ball, so I'm not sure what Ariza is so upset about. The Machine can't pass up a shot.
Re: Ariza/Vujacic on-court argument
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:38 pm
by fareweatherfan
I'm glad this posted. I saw this as they are were going to commercial. I was watching with my friend but he thought Ariza was just tyring to pump Sasha up, I disagreed. Ariza had his finger inches away from Sasha's face, very uncalled for no matter who you are, let alone a bench player like Ariza.
As for some other comments made, my .02...I still love Sasha's signing, he will come around. I also don't think we should start him, he will soon fill into the same role he had last year. Just wait for the law of averages to take effect, to start the season seemingly everyone was playing well and firing on all cylinders, lately it seems to be the opposite.
As the season progresses, players will naturally settle into their roles as consistency (or lack thereof) develops.
Re: Ariza/Vujacic on-court argument
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:45 pm
by DEEP3CL
The Machine has been gunnin lately.....................don't blame Trev one bit.
Re: Ariza/Vujacic on-court argument
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:52 pm
by Chubby Chaser
Resigning Sasha was good for us. His scoring was a major component to our successes last year. One of the main reasons why Sasha's contributions haven't been felt is because he's been bumped down on the rotations. He is best when he is our 6th man and comes in when the offense is a little flat to give us a boost of offense and energy. Last year Sasha was the first person off the bench and came in firing. He would hit 2 to three 3's once he got in and would construct a mini run on his own. Now he doesn't necessarily have that freedom as the bench got deeper and he is now playing behind Lamar and Ariza. I still like the signing though. He's definitely more valuable to us then Puke.
Re: Ariza/Vujacic on-court argument
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 12:07 am
by Desiderium
that missed dunk was jus terrible...lol.
Re: Ariza/Vujacic on-court argument
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 12:37 am
by TonyMontana
Ariza was right, Sasha has a bad habit of hanging to the ball a bit longer than he is suppose to like he's lost out there, he doesnt understand the set plays at times.
Im glad Ariza stuck his finger in Sashas face, next time he needs to stick his foot in his rear so he cant sit on the bench after a stupid play like that.
Sasha has become the Paris Hilton of this team, he's temparmental and he's looking for attention all the time spceially when he isnt putting out............
Re: Ariza/Vujacic on-court argument
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 12:49 am
by fareweatherfan
TonyMontana wrote:Ariza was right, Sasha has a bad habit of hanging to the ball a bit longer than he is suppose to like he's lost out there, he doesnt understand the set plays at times.
Im glad Ariza stuck his finger in Sashas face, next time he needs to stick his foot in his rear so he cant sit on the bench after a stupid play like that.
Sasha has become the Paris Hilton of this team, he's temparmental and he's looking for attention all the time spceially when he isnt putting out............
lol...I agree with everything you said EXCEPT Ariza being justified in putting his finger in Sasha's face. As deserving as Sasha may be given his play this season and on that particular play, there is no excuse for that sort of on the court confrontation.
Honestly, I don't think Kobe has ever been that demonstrative in scolding a teammate. Only person I've seen be that confrontational was MJ, himself. I don't think its ever a good tactic to get through to a young player, but I can see how it worked for MJ. Ariza has no business doing that, especially when he, himself, was having arguably his worst game of the season.
Re: Ariza/Vujacic on-court argument
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:10 am
by TonyMontana
fareweatherfan wrote:TonyMontana wrote:Ariza was right, Sasha has a bad habit of hanging to the ball a bit longer than he is suppose to like he's lost out there, he doesnt understand the set plays at times.
Im glad Ariza stuck his finger in Sashas face, next time he needs to stick his foot in his rear so he cant sit on the bench after a stupid play like that.
Sasha has become the Paris Hilton of this team, he's temparmental and he's looking for attention all the time spceially when he isnt putting out............
lol...I agree with everything you said EXCEPT Ariza being justified in putting his finger in Sasha's face. As deserving as Sasha may be given his play this season and on that particular play, there is no excuse for that sort of on the court confrontation.
Honestly, I don't think Kobe has ever been that demonstrative in scolding a teammate. Only person I've seen be that confrontational was MJ, himself. I don't think its ever a good tactic to get through to a young player, but I can see how it worked for MJ. Ariza has no business doing that, especially when he, himself, was having arguably his worst game of the season.
Yes he has he use to do it with Fox, Horry etc and I agree with you but honestly IT NEEDS to happen specially with players like Ariza, Kobe, Fish, Farmar and Pau cause those are the only guys I see out there that actually have balls and they speak out and they arent soft like the guys I didnt mention.
See Ariza is a thug, not thug in a bad way like a hoodlum but Ariza will scuab, he will come at you and talk his ish, and thats what this team needs.
So far I think Sasha is living the Hollywood...... You know the lights the Lakers the fame and his 5 minute of fame and I know he has heart but its not there.
He isnt the same Sasha that he was before his contract, he's flopping on every play crying on every play, he cant shoot for ish, he isnt running set plays and he is very soft (his dunk) I mean softer than when he came to this team.
WHY NOT, let Ariza tear his ass up and stick his finger in his face and speak out about what happened on the last play. If you dont emberass his ass in front of everyone then he wont get the point, punk his ass out and let him and everyone know that he isnt doing his job.
Last I recall thats what teams do when someone isnt stepping up to the plate and putting out there hard work and effort and Sasha isnt doing that.
Like I said Im glad that Ariza did that, and honestly I bet you it WOKE Sashas ass up.
Re: Ariza/Vujacic on-court argument
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:19 am
by El Hardee
Jordan socked up Kerr, maybe Kobe should take after Jordan and Pimp slap his lil [racist comment removed]back up SG too.
Re: Ariza/Vujacic on-court argument
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:33 am
by crazyeights
milesfides wrote:I think we need to start Vujacic, ironically, at PG. At least he can then be accountable for making decisions and getting his teammates involved.
As for now, he's in the game to shoot the ball, so I'm not sure what Ariza is so upset about. The Machine can't pass up a shot.
Somebody plays favorites.
Re: Ariza/Vujacic on-court argument
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:33 am
by TonyMontana
El Hardee wrote:Jordan socked up Kerr, maybe Kobe should take after Jordan and Pimp slap his lil white back up SG too.
Somebody needs to. Maybe while he's at it he needs to let it slide another 5 feet on the faces of Rad and Luke too.
Bunch of sorry ass overpaid bench warmers.
If we get rid of Vlad and Luke and replace them with a couple of scrubs I'll be happy.
These guys are stinking up our team. I hope Mitch has something on his plans to move these two guys.
Re: Ariza/Vujacic on-court argument
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:34 am
by crazyeights
Vlad and Luke are overpaid, yeah.
But that's Mitch's fault for giving them long-term deals. Also, it's not easy to come off the bench, play sparse minutes, and play incredible. It just isn't. I don't care if you're in the NBA, the D-League, high school summer camp, whatever.
Basketball is such a rhythm game, it's tough to go from zero to sixty in one second, I don't care what car you're driving.
Re: Ariza/Vujacic on-court argument
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:59 am
by RASMARX
You can see a little bit of their spat here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdSxOciAWEs
Re: Ariza/Vujacic on-court argument
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:04 am
by milesfides
crazyeights wrote:milesfides wrote:I think we need to start Vujacic, ironically, at PG. At least he can then be accountable for making decisions and getting his teammates involved.
As for now, he's in the game to shoot the ball, so I'm not sure what Ariza is so upset about. The Machine can't pass up a shot.
Somebody plays favorites.
Actually I don't, I'm just interested in ways to improve the team, even if it means supporting unpopular ideas. To me, suggesting different ideas is a little more fun than accepting the status quo.
Back to the subject at hand, nobody deserves to get chewed out like that on the court. That's a big no no in sports, which is why you hardly see it except for rookies or douche bags. I remember just one game when Kobe did this, it was a few years ago at the end of a game, Kobe dished the ball to Mihm, who, despite the lack of time clock, panicked and threw it back to Kobe who didn't have time to take a shot. As the buzzer sounded, Kobe slammed the ball to the ground and yelled at Mihm, then stormed off. Kind of a heat of a moment thing, and it really was a play that blew the game. But even Kobe shouldn't be excused for that, and Kobe never did anything like that again.
I know MJ did some jerk moves in practice, but I can't remember too many games where he humiliated his teammates on camera in front of a crowd. He probably did, but I'm guessing he didn't do what Ariza did.
Phil Jackson did the right thing. Ariza was out of line. It's not about even about star privileges or whatever. Teammates don't do that to each other.
End of story.
Re: Ariza/Vujacic on-court argument
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:09 am
by milesfides
What was so terrible about that shot, aside from Sasha missing?
He didn't hold onto the ball, he caught it and shot it.
He had an open shot, the defender was sagging. Yeah, Ariza was wide open, Sasha should have passed it to him, and that's why he was pissed...but he needs to calm down. This happens in a game.
Re: Ariza/Vujacic on-court argument
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:16 am
by hermes
Scandalouzzzz wrote:that missed dunk was jus terrible...lol.
is there any video footage of this