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first things first- this is a not about a rumor, a trade proposal, or something working in the background.
second- this just occured to me because of the wiretap headlines.
third- this is just intended to generate discussion.

OK here it is. first, Steve Nash may be on the trading block.
http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/55985/20081214/could_nash_be_next_to_depart_suns/

if Kerr is hell bent on disbanding what Colangelo did in Phoenix than we should persue some sort opportunity here. I know Nash is old and declining, but I think he is still servisable for a few more years. he is a will passer (luke), he is a 3 point shooter (vladi), he is a vet (Fish and/or Farmar). anyway, the possibilities may or may not be there. let's talk about that.

second, Monta Ellis maybe on the trading block as well.
http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/55984/20081214/how_will_warriors_create_spot_for_monta/

I doubt the Warriors would let him go, but you never know.

what do you think of either of these 2 guys working with our team. I know the money would be hella expensive, but if these 2 scenarios have any validity to them I think it is time for Mr Buss to put up the real money where his mouth is or shut up.

nash doesn't exactly solve the defensive problems at pg does he?

but would his shooting, leadership, and passing make up for it?

and his bread and butter is running, will the triangle suit him?

you are right about the defense, but I don't think he would make worse lol
and I think our first unit runs more than the Suns right now, and Nash would defenetly benefit with all the running that the the second unit does. I think our 3 point shooters would also benifit and Pau loves those running layups and Drew would be deadly stting the pick and rolls that Nash is so fond of

snaquille oatmeal wrote:you are right about the defense, but I don't think he would make worse lol
and I think our first unit runs more than the Suns right now, and Nash would defenetly benefit with all the running that the the second unit does. I think our 3 point shooters would also benifit and Pau loves those running layups and Drew would be deadly stting the pick and rolls that Nash is so fond of

thats the kind of positive thinking we need!

anyway i checked the trade checker for vlad, luke and farmar for nash

and it freaking works! DO IT MITCH

I think Monta Ellis would make for an excellent tri PG/SG combo player.

Nash is a great playmaker, but not exactly the defender we need to stop Rondo, to put it mildly. We need defensive roster improvements at PG, not offensive ones.

Fisher stays in LA because of his daughter's condition, right? I'd be very surprised to see him finish his career anywhere but here. In my mind, he's not going to be included in any trade talks.

I think nash's assisting would do good here, but I dont think he can fit the triangle offense, because he needs to control the team.Everything has to revolve around him. thats not going to happen if he comes to LALA land.

Nash is a future HOFer and one hell of a talent at PG. If he plays PG alongside Kobe, we can forget stopping Rondo because they'll have hard time figuring out how to stop Nash. He'll have a tremendous impact on this team and our opponent PER will surely get better just because of his offensive production.

hermes wrote:nash doesn't exactly solve the defensive problems at pg does he?

Hell NO

hermes wrote:but would his shooting, leadership, and passing make up for it?

Look at how he's moaning and b*thching now................what leadership

hermes wrote:and his bread and butter is running, will the triangle suit him?

Same answer as first one. Nash has always struggled in running a set offense.

Basically this is snaq wanting Nash but he just doesn't want to say it............but his title is so evident.

Brian Colangelo was the architect behind the 2004-2005 and 05-06 Suns and now that he's in Toronto and is looking heavily at Team Canada's Olympic coach to take over for the Raptors, it's a pretty safe bet that Nash is leaving Phoenix for Toronto. Nash stated publicly that it'd be a dream for him to finish his career at home and he loves the Colangelo family, plus Canada's coach and Nash get a long extremely well.

DEEP3CL wrote:

hermes wrote:nash doesn't exactly solve the defensive problems at pg does he?

Hell NO

hermes wrote:but would his shooting, leadership, and passing make up for it?

Look at how he's moaning and b*thching now................what leadership

hermes wrote:and his bread and butter is running, will the triangle suit him?

Same answer as first one. Nash has always struggled in running a set offense.

Basically this is snaq wanting Nash but he just doesn't want to say it............but his title is so evident.

actually I would rather have Monta, but Nash is not the kind of player you dismiss without a discussion.

Nash in the halfcourt would be a huge upgrade over Fish or Farmar, let's be serious.

There would be a long list of secondary and tertiary effects if Nash was our starting PG.

First of all, the big men would be established more - not necessarily feeding the big dog like Shaq, but Nash would get the ball to Bynum and Gasol infinitely better than Fisher, who has always been a shoot-first shooting guard in a PG body.

Second, Kobe would benefit greatly without having to bear the main playmaking duties. I don't care what people say, it is extremely difficult for swingmen to have to do both roles. Jordan wasn't the main playmaker on the Bulls team. Kobe's been able to do this probably better than almost any other player in the history of the game, but he had to, since he started his career having to facilitate the offense for Shaq. But it hurts the rhythm of his shot, and his efficiency, which is why elite swingmen, no matter how great their playmaking skills, eventually need PGs to simply their roles a bit. Kobe would get to play on the wing more, and focus on scoring, his innate-God given ability, and defense, rather than having to do too much out of necessity.

Lastly, there would be a indirect boost to defense imo, because our halfcourt efficiency would allow us to better control the tempo. Let's face it, Fisher, Kobe, Radamn, Ariza, all jacking up shots because of the team's inability to get the big men the ball, or the lack of capable ballhandlers causing turnovers, make it difficult to recover and set up our defense.

As far as Ellis goes, he's a hell of a player, but I can't see how he'd work in the starting lineup. Ellis is all about pushing the ball and finishing on the break...that's more in line with our 2nd unit than our starters. We're not going to win a championship because of a running game, I think our best chances lie in maximizing Bynum and Gasol in the low and high post, Kobe being free to do his thing, and everybody else fulfilling roles - namely playing defense, taking good shots, playing unselfishly, and most of all, playing with heart and hustle.

Although both Nash and Ellis are best in the open court, I feel Nash would be a better choice. However, both would be upgrades over Fisher, based on pure productivity.

IMO - it would greatly improve our line up most definitely but at what cost.. I don't think the other teams are willing to give up their franchise or close to franchise player for our uhm.. awesome players.

Unless.. there is one way. Minnesota fires Mchale and one of them re-hires him to be their GM. Then, we'll have a chance with signing any of those guys. lol

lakersfanatic wrote:IMO - it would greatly improve our line up most definitely but at what cost.. I don't think the other teams are willing to give up their franchise or close to franchise player for our uhm.. awesome players.

no doubt. these players wouldn't come cheaply so what talent on the lakers are people suggesting to make this happen?

AND

i don't think jerry buss needs to do anything more to show he's willing to pay for a great team..........see pau gasol salary and bynum extension that kicks in next year.

Good idea/bad idea.

Ellis would be great, Nash not so great. Nash can't play defense and is too old. Lakers are set for a 4-6 year run, no reason to get a guy that only has a year or two left. We already have Fish for that role.

snaquille oatmeal wrote:
actually I would rather have Monta, but Nash is not the kind of player you dismiss without a discussion.

My thing is EVERYBODY here knows what our problem is.....not having a guard who can stay in front of the elite points of the league. So why would we want a 33-34 year old Nash ?

Nash doesn't play a lick of D........ever, that alone will ALWAYS eliminate him from any discussion regarding his ability to be acquired.