Bynum and his fadeaway jumpshot

dingclancy · Post #1 » by **dingclancy** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:31 pm

It is obvious he is working at it and his stroke is good, but I do not think he will be more effective player with it. Instead of practicing jump shots he must practice how to properly seal his man and eat space in the low post. I am just not a fan of big men drop-stepping out of the post.

He should relearn how to play above the rim again.

Erik Eleven · Post #2 » by **Erik Eleven** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:44 pm

Teams are taking that away from him, he needs a counter move. Guard that shot, will you? I don't like seeing him taking those shots, but if he keeps making them, he'll get back his opportunities under the rim. That is, if he learns how to spin around his man, which he should have been able to for a while now.

lakersfanatic · Post #3 » by **lakersfanatic** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:56 pm

He shouldn't need to learn the fadeaway shot. I mean how far is he from the rim when he gets the ball. He just needs to be more aggressive and attach the basketball. That's the reason why centers get such a high percentage in made shots. Once he attacks.. either he'll make it (which is a high percentage), miss it (low percentage), or get fouled.

He shouldn't be feeling boxed out and moving away to get to the rim for his pts.

Having a fadeaway can be lethal against teams as welll. He's tall and does the fadeaway.. Most likely near impossible to block. hehe but then again, the percentage would be lower.

RJM · Post #4 » by **RJM** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:23 pm

Aside from working with Kareem, I think he should start studying the games of David Robinson, Shaq, and Hakeem Olajuwon through game tape and trainers etc. I would love to see our guy undergo a rigorous training summer under Tim Grover in Chicago this offseason.

Dr Aki · Post #5 » by **Dr Aki** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:36 am

if he needs a counter move, why isnt he busting out the sky hook?? useable and accurate up to 18ft from the basket through practice??

lakersfanatic · Post #6 » by **lakersfanatic** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:26 pm

Oh yeah, what happened to his skyhook... it just disappeared. Maybe he wasn't comfortable using it... but that shot is impossible to block, he should be perfecting that instead.

on the other hand, his jump shots yesterday during the Miami game was pretty good. Shows other teams that he can shoot so he is an inside as well as an outside threat.. But that's only one game where he really shot the ball.. so lets see how it goes..

Sedale Threatt · Post #7 » by **Sedale Threatt** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:46 pm

The skyhook was such an anomoly of a shoot. It takes a ridiculous amount of practice and innate skill to be able to sink it from the ranges Kareem did.

Better, I think, for Andrew to master the basics -- the drop step, jump hooks with either hand, a short jumper -- before he moves on to that. That would be like learning how to add and subtract and then immediately moving on to advanced calculus.

Post #8 » by **dockingsched** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:33 pm

i bet he never uses the skyhook in his career more than a couple of times just for giggles.

Erik Eleven · Post #9 » by **Erik Eleven** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:42 am

Sedale Threatt wrote:The skyhook was such an anomoly of a shoot. It takes a ridiculous amount of practice and innate skill to be able to sink it from the ranges Kareem did.

Better, I think, for Andrew to master the basics -- the drop step, jump hooks with either hand, a short jumper -- before he moves on to that. That would be like learning how to add and subtract and then immediately moving on to advanced calculus.

Excellent post.

Kareem himself says that Drew uses it effectively in practice, but that Bynum isn't all to happy about the aesthetics of it yet. :lol:

Kareem smikred a bit, too. I guess he has a lot of respect for Cap's graceful shot, as he should. But, who the hell really cares what it looks like if we're winning, right?

Judging by his history of backing up what he says with action, I think the SkyHook will be a part of his arsenal in the future. But I agree with ST that he should bring it out first when he has figured out how to be dominant in all fundamental apsects.

I've said it all season, Bynum will start going on a tear sometime in December or January. I think we've seen the start of it in the previous two games. If offense is what triggers his defense, then "feed the beast!!!"

Chubby Chaser · Post #10 » by **Chubby Chaser** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:50 am

Nice shot to have in your repertoire, don't want him falling in love with it though.

ronnymac2 · Post #11 » by **ronnymac2** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:33 am

Chubby Chaser wrote:Nice shot to have in your repertoire, don't want him falling in love with it though.

+1. Selectively use it. Try to develop other moves, and use the fadeaway as a counter.

I don't want Bynum being like David Robinson. Admiral was a great player and a great scorer, but he had the scoring game of a small foward. I want Bynum to play back to the basket in the low post like a true center. I want him replicating Hakeem, Kareem, and Shaq.

EHL · Post #12 » by **EHL** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:49 am

Bynum has been a big disappointment this season by most standards (well, at least by last season's standards), so anytime you seem him adding moves to his arsenal it's always a good sign. That said, it's still annoying as hell that he has regressed compared to last season. Hopefully he's just getting his legs back.

TylersLakers · Post #13 » by **TylersLakers** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:34 pm

EHL wrote:Bynum has been a big disappointment this season by most standards (well, at least by last season's standards), so anytime you seem him adding moves to his arsenal it's always a good sign. That said, it's still annoying as hell that he has regressed compared to last season. Hopefully he's just getting his legs back.

I don't think he's regressed much at all. It's an adjustment when you're coming off a knee injury and you're trying to fit in beside another post presence in Pau. It takes some time to get adjusted to that. And let's face it.. with a rotation of Drew/Pau/Lamar, Drew isn't going to have the chances or opportunity to consistently average 15 a night. He doesn't fire up threes, he's a post presence where he needs touches to be effective. And that lands right in our guards and wing's laps. Getting him the ball is a must.

Teams have started to watch out for the lob passes, and now is where he has to adjust. He has to use his drop step move more often. It seems whenever he uses that he either scores or gets fouled. I think the problem is that he's so big and he can get to the basket so effectively that he tries to jump hook it in. That's one of his sweetest shots, but he tends to use it way to much. And if you have the ball on the left block, as a right hander, it's natural to spin to your opposite shoulder and just toss up a hook with your right hand. He needs to be more consistent with drop stepping to his left and throwing up jump hooks with either hand in that way. Then when the defense starts respecting that, that's when his drop step to the middle will work even more effective.

It's a process playing the post. You can't just go out there and toss up Skyhooks and drop step moves. It's all about setting up the defense.. making them think one thing, when you're going to do another.

But until then, he has to rebound, finish, defend. He's had a couple lob opportunities the past week and they've just gone through his hands. He has to be prepared, especially playing with Kobe. KB will throw that thing up there when you think there's no chance it's going to happen.

EHL · Post #14 » by **EHL** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:51 pm

^ I don't know, it's hard to argue Bynum hasn't seen a big dropout in production per minute, despite his role changing, when he has gone from a PER of 22.6 to 17.6 through the same amount of games as last season. A 5 point drop is pretty big, especially when you consider that his D has also been worse.

I like his improvement in the post the last 5 games, that's great to see. But he still needs to get back to help-side D and rebounding. For whatever reason he isn't doing it this season and no amount of role changes should effect that sort of basic hustle.