Bynum's foul on Wallace

[B_Y_N_U_M]

I don't know what everyone else thinks or what their opinion is, but

1. This is a foul.
2. I don't think it is really all that bad
3. Yes Gerald is hurt really bad, broken rib - collapsed lung
4. Bynum put his elbow into him to stop him from getting shot off, Bynum even went to help him up after he went down.
5. They said he didn't go for ball so it was a flagrant foul.............rules are rules
6. I believe it was only called a flagrant one...............I don't believe this is grounds for a suspension. I have seen a lot worse.

Take a look at it (especially the 3rd slow motion one) and let me know what you think, but when looking at the replays it really does not look like Drew went after him and hit him that hard...........He was definitely not trying to intentionally take Wallace out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbcjL7AVxMA

[TylersLakers]

I don't think he had dirty intent.. but it looks dirty when a player goes up in the air and gets fouled. Basketball is a more physical game than most people think.

[hermes]

probably not a dirty play, but why didn't he swing for his arms or something? why go for his body/chest area?

[DEEP3CL]

Bottom line is this, it was called the correct way flagrant 1 foul but was it with intent to hurt ? No.
Funny thing is the Lakers get all this flak for not being physical enough and known for giving up lay ups at will so they say. So now that we have a big who is going to make it known he's going to lock down the paint with hard fouls now everybody here on RealGM want's to cry a river and say Bynum is dirty.

I feel for Wallace too but he came in with no regard or care what so ever that Bynum was there and gave up his body. Hard fouls are going to be given some time deal with it ( that's for you outsiders who will come and leave some BS comment). Yeah it was stupid how Bynum decided to attack Wallace but the underlying thing here is that the message has been sent for all of the league to see, if you drive and Bynum is in there expect to be hit. This all henges on weather the league decides to suspends Bynum, to which Stu Jackson has been known to stick it to the Lakers when ever he gets the chance. I'm sure he's saw the video and we should hear something by noon on weather a suspension is coming.

But if you go on the GB or Charlotte's board there's this sympathy for Wallace like crazy. Once again all hate is turned towards us, but I'm ready to defend like no other if anybody comes in side ways.

Look all of us Laker fans have expressed our concerns for Wallace and we all hope he get's well soon and doesn't miss too much time, but to make it out to be more then it really is.....that's weak. Hell Kevin McHale has one of the worst flagrant fouls you'll ever see and they run the footage all the time and it's been 20 plus years since that foul. I don't remember people saying, " poor Kurt, they should suspend Kevin".

Bottom line the way people are complaining..................be ready for Bynum to sit people. I hope I'm wrong but I won't be surprised if he has too. They wanna stick us period.

[haterade]

Bynum got beat and had lazy feet. Doing what he did even if there were no malicious thoughts is still a dirty play.

Think of it when you play at the park, you know certain players play lazy and know even if they are beat they will push you in the back so you won't get the layup. Bynum was beat and instead of trying to do the right way of playing basketball by trying for the layup he threw his elbow and hip out so Crash couldn't shoot. That's a dirty play....

[Wizenheimer]

"dirty" is a pretty subjective term and would be judged differently in the Laker's forum as opposed to the Bobcat's forum.

However, Bynum used his elbow on a vulnerable player without any attempt on the ball. He simply went after the player. It should have been called a flagrant 2, and should warrant a 1 game suspension.

Didn't Al Horford get suspended last season for his hit on TJ Ford?

[B_Y_N_U_M]

Bottom line is this, it was called the correct way flagrant 1 foul but was it with intent to hurt ? No.
Funny thing is the Lakers get all this flak for not being physical enough and known for giving up lay ups at will so they say. So now that we have a big who is going to make it known he's going to lock down the paint with hard fouls now everybody here on RealGM want's to cry a river and say Bynum is dirty.

I feel for Wallace too but he came in with no regard or care what so ever that Bynum was there and gave up his body. Hard fouls are going to be given some time deal with it ( that's for you outsiders who will come and leave some BS comment). Yeah it was stupid how Bynum decided to attack Wallace but the underlying thing here is that the message has been sent for all of the league to see, if you drive and Bynum is in there expect to be hit. This all henges on weather the league decides to suspends Bynum, to which Stu Jackson has been known to stick it to the Lakers when ever he gets the chance. I'm sure he's saw the video and we should hear something by noon on weather a suspension is coming.

But if you go on the GB or Charlotte's board there's this sympathy for Wallace like crazy. Once again all hate is turned towards us, but I'm ready to defend like no other if anybody comes in side ways.

Look all of us Laker fans have expressed our concerns for Wallace and we all hope he get's well soon and doesn't miss too much time, but to make it out to be more then it really is.....that's weak. Hell Kevin McHale has one of the worst flagrant fouls you'll ever see and they run the footage all the time and it's been 20 plus years since that foul. I don't remember people saying, " poor Kurt, they should suspend Kevin".

Bottom line the way people are complaining..................be ready for Bynum to sit people. I hope I'm wrong but I won't be surprised if he has too. They wanna stick us period.

Did you read my post? I agree with you..........

* I definitely do no think it deserves a suspension
* I don't think it was as bad as it looked.........they show 3 replays on the link I attached
* Drew even went to help him up after words
* Wallace put his chest into Bynum's elbow and went down................S H I T happens when u go into the paint.
* Feel bad for Wallace being hurt and hope he is okay, but that's basketball!


I DO NOT BELIEVE IT WAS DIRTY OR WITH ANY BAD INTENT and DREW SHOULD NOT BE SUSPENDED..............PERIOD!

[B_Y_N_U_M]

Bynum got beat and had lazy feet. Doing what he did even if there were no malicious thoughts is still a dirty play.

Think of it when you play at the park, you know certain players play lazy and know even if they are beat they will push you in the back so you won't get the layup. Bynum was beat and instead of trying to do the right way of playing basketball by trying for the layup he threw his elbow and hip out so Crash couldn't shoot. That's a dirty play....

by Wizenheimer on Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:24 pm

"dirty" is a pretty subjective term and would be judged differently in the Laker's forum as opposed to the Bobcat's forum.

However, Bynum used his elbow on a vulnerable player without any attempt on the ball. He simply went after the player. It should have been called a flagrant 2, and should warrant a 1 game suspension.

Didn't Al Horford get suspended last season for his hit on TJ Ford

Both Wizenhimer and Haterade need to RE watch the inital clip that I attached on my first post........in case you didn't watch it, here is the link again.........http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbcjL7AVxMA I am not sure what you 2 are watching, but if this is HARD, FLAGRANT 2, MALICIOUS, or DIRTY, whatever horrible terms that you want to create...........Every player in the league that gets fouled in the paint should be suspended ...........HOLY CRAP

[TonyMontana]

It wasnt a dirty play.
Drew has done this before, since he is tall and Wallace did elevate he got there too late and that resulted in a hard foul.
Flagrant one, yes. Dirty Not at all.
All I know is I hope Wallace gets better and I really felt bad for him, spceially if this keeps him out the game or has an effect in his game down the line.
It is what it is and to sit here and make a bigger issue out of it is wrong.
Again I hope Wallace recovers and get better.

[CX44]

Nice post DEEP3CL

[Danny Darko]

Bobcats forward Gerald Wallace was taken to a hospital after Tuesday's game and is being examined for a possible fractured rib and collapsed lung.
X-rays showed no broken bones, but a second X-ray will be performed just in case. Ironically, it was an elbow from Andrew Bynum --not Wallace's well-known recklessness-- that caused the injury. Check back on Wednesday for the latest.
Source: Charlotte Observer

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Correct call was made, so I say no suspension. I would assume a decent fine, though.

Editorially- one the one hand, it wasn't a sportmanship type of play, it was a statement play. Yeah, was a step slow... as many 7fters would be late game vs a guy like Wallace, but Shaq would have done it and we would have all known why.

[Danny Darko]

B_Y_N_U_M

Can you refrain from that kind of coloring? Generally that is used for Mods when they reprimand remind or edit. I saw your post and was thinking... what did B_Y_N_U_M do that he got that tore up by another mod before I realized it what it was.

[haterade]

Bynum got beat and had lazy feet. Doing what he did even if there were no malicious thoughts is still a dirty play.

Think of it when you play at the park, you know certain players play lazy and know even if they are beat they will push you in the back so you won't get the layup. Bynum was beat and instead of trying to do the right way of playing basketball by trying for the layup he threw his elbow and hip out so Crash couldn't shoot. That's a dirty play....

by Wizenheimer on Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:24 pm

"dirty" is a pretty subjective term and would be judged differently in the Laker's forum as opposed to the Bobcat's forum.

However, Bynum used his elbow on a vulnerable player without any attempt on the ball. He simply went after the player. It should have been called a flagrant 2, and should warrant a 1 game suspension.

Didn't Al Horford get suspended last season for his hit on TJ Ford

Both Wizenhimer and Haterade need to RE watch the inital clip that I attached on my first post........in case you didn't watch it, here is the link again.........http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbcjL7AVxMA I am not sure what you 2 are watching, but if this is HARD, FLAGRANT 2, MALICIOUS, or DIRTY, whatever horrible terms that you want to create...........Every player in the league that gets fouled in the paint should be suspended ...........HOLY CRAP

Did he go for the ball? No
Did he stick an elbow out? Yes
Did he hip check him so it took Crash's feet out from under him? Yes
If Okafur did this to Kobe, would every laker fan here be saying that Okafur should be suspended for the remainder of the season? I think so

[Sedale Threatt]

I don't think Andrew had any intent to hurt Wallace, at all. He's never been a dirty player, and I hope that's taken into account.

But at the same time, you simply can't lead with your elbow like that. That wasn't a subtle nudge. His elbow was fully flared, up near Wallace's chin, and that can't be tolerated. Stu was spot-on during the broadcast -- that's a dangerous play. If somebody had done this to Kobe, we'd all be going ape isht.

As such, I fully expect some sort of punishment -- a one-game suspension, probably, as well as a fine.

[microfib4thewin]

If Okafur did this to Kobe, would every laker fan here be saying that Okafur should be suspended for the remainder of the season? I think so

Two wrongs don't make a right. I can't speak for all Laker fans(and neither should you), but I wouldn't have called Okafor dirty or demand that he gets suspended for a full year had it happened. People like to throw label around freely nowadays, personally I don't label any player dirty unless they have a history of taunting or committing acts that have caused serious injuries.

[haterade]

The issue I am bringing up is not if Bynum is a dirty player. What I brought up is if the play was dirty, which it was. You know its not right to go off and flare your elbows out or undercutting players.

[semi-sentient]

Agree with ST. Bynum's intent was not dirty, but I wouldn't oppose a 1-game suspension just to get the point across that you don't lead with your elbow like that.

For those coming here talking about how Lakers fans would call for this and that if Kobe were injured, stop trying to tell us what YOU would want if the situation was reversed. I'm getting tired of all these silly labels and unwarranted assumptions.

Not every fan is a complete damn homer or moron.

[Danny Darko]

Bynum got beat and had lazy feet. Doing what he did even if there were no malicious thoughts is still a dirty play.

Think of it when you play at the park, you know certain players play lazy and know even if they are beat they will push you in the back so you won't get the layup. Bynum was beat and instead of trying to do the right way of playing basketball by trying for the layup he threw his elbow and hip out so Crash couldn't shoot. That's a dirty play....

by Wizenheimer on Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:24 pm

"dirty" is a pretty subjective term and would be judged differently in the Laker's forum as opposed to the Bobcat's forum.

However, Bynum used his elbow on a vulnerable player without any attempt on the ball. He simply went after the player. It should have been called a flagrant 2, and should warrant a 1 game suspension.

Didn't Al Horford get suspended last season for his hit on TJ Ford

Both Wizenhimer and Haterade need to RE watch the inital clip that I attached on my first post........in case you didn't watch it, here is the link again.........http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbcjL7AVxMA I am not sure what you 2 are watching, but if this is HARD, FLAGRANT 2, MALICIOUS, or DIRTY, whatever horrible terms that you want to create...........Every player in the league that gets fouled in the paint should be suspended ...........HOLY CRAP

Did he go for the ball? No
Did he stick an elbow out? Yes
Did he hip check him so it took Crash's feet out from under him? Yes
If Okafur did this to Kobe, would every laker fan here be saying that Okafur should be suspended for the remainder of the season? I think so

What are you talking about for the season? I'm not going to suffer that kind of nonsense around here. There's no broken bones, that statement is ridiculous. Take your hopscotch ethics and split if you are only hear to troll and incite.

[haterade]

What are you talking about for the season? I'm not going to suffer that kind of nonsense around here. There's no broken bones, that statement is ridiculous. Take your hopscotch ethics and split if you are only hear to troll and incite.

If you didn't know, Crash has a collapsed lung and broken ribs.

[Sedale Threatt]

Rib -- singular.

The injury is bad enough. No need to exaggerate.