Cavs to target Ariza? per wiretap

Lost Angel · Post #1 » by **Lost Angel** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:43 pm

we cant let Ariza go. he plays a much needed role on this ball club.

what do you think is gonna happen? what will the Cavs offer? what will we offer?

3 years, 16 million?

Post #2 » by **LLcoleJ** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:46 pm

He won't go to the Cavs. We can and will give him more than any other team He is from LA and has a role on this team.

Lost Angel · Post #3 » by **Lost Angel** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:49 pm

we technically can offer him more than any other team, but not with the big salaries we already have on the team. and if there is any reason to beleive that Lamar will re-sign, then we really can't offer Ariza much.

unless Buss sucks it up and pays. i don't know if he's gonna do that, even if we do win the title

vinnycorleone · Post #4 » by **vinnycorleone** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:51 pm

Sorry guys I don't know what our cap looks like but...

If we signed Lamar for 9 mil

How much cap space would that leave us? Would we be under or over the cap?

Lost Angel · Post #5 » by **Lost Angel** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:53 pm

dude we are already over with out Lamar.

Kobe, Gasol, Bynum all have big big deals

Post #6 » by **LLcoleJ** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:01 pm

The idea of trimming salary this season was to clear up money for both Ariza and Lamar.

Depending on LO's asking price, my guess is Ariza would be the one we will sign first. He is younger and has more room to go and his skills are increasing.

We are not talking about a huge deal here. 3-4 years @ 15-19 million.

Ariza will be a Lakers, I am not sure about Lamar, as that will depend on him. I don't think Lamar will get any offers much bigger than the MLE from other teams because there are only a couple of teams that can offer him a contract like that. (8-10 per)

So he would have to either take a pay cut with us, sign with the MLE somewhere else or do a sign and trade with us.

InBoobieWeTrust · Post #7 » by **InBoobieWeTrust** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:16 pm

The most we(the Cavs) could offer him would be the full MLE, which I personally believe is a bit more than he's worth, although he is very young and promising...but I'd assume L.A. would also offer him at LEAST the full MLE, and if L.A. is his preference as he says, I don't see him leaving you guys unless one of the few teams with cap room goes crazy and offers him a ridiculous contract(7-8 million a year is what I would consider ridiculous), or for some reason you guys aren't willing to offer your MLE.

magic1fan · Post #8 » by **magic1fan** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:28 pm

trevor will remain a laker imo. everyone knows what he brings to the table. he is a proven role player now! some teams might throw extra cash at him,but hopefully after we win the ship that will seal the deal with him being with us for a while,especially considering that barring any injuries this team should be competing for the next five years.

slifersd · Post #9 » by **slifersd** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:29 pm

If Cavs are going to give him anything over MLE, then let him go. In this declining economy, our MLE can land us a better player than Ariza. As much as I would love Ariza to be here, what happened to Vujacic should have taught everyone to be careful about signing contract year breakouts to big money long term contracts.

fareweatherfan · Post #10 » by **fareweatherfan** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:10 pm

Ariza would be a fool to stay with us for less money. He is young, promising, and his value is at an all-time high for his short career. He should take the most money he can get (provided its with a team he can flourish with). He can certainly be a BIG part of the Cavs' future.

I think he would help the Cavs a lot more than he would help us. All this being said, I sure hope we find a way to re-sign him (MLE max, and even that I'm not so sure about).

Dr Aki · Post #11 » by **Dr Aki** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:13 pm

InBoobieWeTrust wrote:The most we(the Cavs) could offer him would be the full MLE, which I personally believe is a bit more than he's worth, although he is very young and promising...but I'd assume L.A. would also offer him at LEAST the full MLE, and if L.A. is his preference as he says, I don't see him leaving you guys unless one of the few teams with cap room goes crazy and offers him a ridiculous contract(7-8 million a year is what I would consider ridiculous), or for some reason you guys aren't willing to offer your MLE.

cavs can only offer him the full MLE

the lakers can offer him:
1. more money (early bird rights), and save their MLE
2. hometown support
3. bigger media market

teams will throw the MLE at ariza, and as a young player, i don't expect the lakers FO to not expect that a player with limited potential filling a niche role wont go chasing the dollars (even if it is an extra 5 mil over 4 years)

Gus McCrae · Post #12 » by **Gus McCrae** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:18 pm

Ariza stays, he's part of our core and toughness, a defensive animal, and he loves to posteurize the opponents *see Grant Hill* , Kobe loves him, he's a UCLA product (from Inglewood too no?) and he HATES the celtics. Why would we not keep him. If we kept Vujachick, we should keep Ariza.

DEEP3CL · Post #13 » by **DEEP3CL** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:24 pm

Basically Phil_2.0 and Akiho laid if out as flat as you can get it, like I've said before myself Trev will be the Lakers number one priority period. As for L.O. I'll keep saying it, his playoff performance will basically write his story as far as his money value to the team.

This same type of thread came up last year for Ronny and most of us here called that one right too, it was pretty much a given that we were going to lose Ronny and it was no surprise when it happened. Looking back on it, the Lakers were already preping for ways to keep Trev in the fold. Eventhough the thought process was geared on Bynum's extension.

Bottom line is "Early Bird Rights" trumps anything the Cavs have to offer.

SALMIEN · Post #14 » by **SALMIEN** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:34 pm

now we have bigger fishes to fry

TylersLakers · Post #15 » by **TylersLakers** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:37 pm

vinnycorleone wrote:Sorry guys I don't know what our cap looks like but...

If we signed Lamar for 9 mil

How much cap space would that leave us? Would we be under or over the cap?

We are currently already over the salary cap. Right now, we're at a salary of around 75 million. The salary cap is 58.68 million. The luxury tax is at 71.15 million for this season.

Numbers are expected to remain the same, possibly go down a couple million. What this means is that we have no cap room. However, we are allowed to go over the salary cap to re-sign our own free agents, providing they have bird rights. Ariza would. We can also use the Mid Level Exception (5.2m a season) to sign other free agents around the league. We also will have the bi-annual exception, since we never used it last year. If you recall, this is what we used on Shammond Williams a couple years ago. I'm pretty sure it's 1.8 million a season.

The amount here that's cruicial... is the luxury tax. After that 71 million, you're paying a dollar-for-dollar luxury tax. So.. we're about 4 million over that cap threshold. So that doubles and Jerry Buss will have to pay around 8 million dollars to the league after this season is over.

So really, it's all about how much Buss is willing to give. We can give more money to Ariza than anyone else in the league. Same with Lamar. However, if a team with cap room this summer (Detroit, Memphis, Oklahoma City, etc) offer Trevor/Lamar a contract for 5 years, 50 million.. do you really think we'll up the ante to a bigger contract? VERY doubtful.

If we re-sign Odom to a 9 million per year contract, we're going to be around 83 million. Approximately 12m over the luxury tax. So at the end of next season, Buss would have to pay 24 million dollars in luxury tax. That's definitely a hit in today's economy.

Add Ariza onto that (4-6m) and Buss is looking at a decision. It's really all up to Jerry Buss. Does he want to pay money to keep this team together.. or do we drop Odom/Ariza and look for a cheaper replacement?

That's why the Vladimir Radmanovic trade was SO crucial for future salaries.

what would jack bauer do? · Post #16 » by **what would jack bauer do?** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:11 am

great... now we're going to pay Ariza too much just like we paid Luke. I know I'm the one pointing out all of Ariza's weaknesses, but he's damn good as a bench player. I just want a solid small forward that already has the complete package with ariza as the back up. It seems like we're always waiting on internal improvement; I think we've run out of time. Our championship window is the next 4 plus years.

Dr Aki · Post #17 » by **Dr Aki** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:16 am

technically the MLE/LLE/vet's min allow teams to still be able to operate above the cap (the soft cap is one of the reasons that has made the NBA so successful compared to having a hard salary cap system)

but something tells me we wouldnt be using our MLE even if we had an appropriate player to use it on

DowJones · Post #18 » by **DowJones** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:04 am

We will probably offer him the full MLE for 4 or even 5 years. I think Cleveland should try to force LA to spend as much money as they can to keep Ariza. Cleveland should be trying anything to keep LA from re-signing both Odom and Ariza.

vinnycorleone · Post #19 » by **vinnycorleone** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:15 am

Hope Dr. Buss hasn't been hit to hard by this economy.

I think we need both of those guys

Post #20 » by **LLcoleJ** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:34 am

Guys, As a reminder. Dr Buss is not the only owner of the Lakers. Collective net worth around 8 billion.

A couple of note:

1) Buss is on record saying he has made enough money in this world and he wants rings
2) Buss's partner is Phil Anshutz owner of the Staples Center
3) Buss doesnt give/trade and pay for guys like Gasol, Bryant and Bynum to skimp on guys young guys like this. Ariza is part of the future here in LA.