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LA Times: Lakers don't care, so why should we?
Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 2:19 pm
by picc
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-pla ... 585.columnFrom Houston — Yawn. What? This column is starting? Oh, well, OK, whatever.
In Game 4 of the Western Conference semifinals Sunday, the Lakers . . . sigh . . . shrug . . . hmmm.
I'm sorry, I just don't feel like it today.
I know you're expecting a full column effort, but the Lakers' opponent was only the devastated Houston Rockets, so why should I have to work hard to write about them?
Why should I put passion into describing a game that the Lakers didn't show passion in playing?
They took the day off, so why can't I?
The Lakers lost, 99-87, after trailing by as many as 29 points to a team playing without Yao Ming or a prayer.
The Lakers lost as if they didn't care that the series was now two games apiece. The Lakers lost as if they know they can turn it on this week and still survive.
Good point. I'll write better columns then. This one, like them, I'm sitting out.
Usually, I type 900 words, but, in the spirit of a team that fell behind 19-4 before breaking a sweat, I'm giving you less than half of that.
I'm giving you what Trevor Ariza gave you on the first play of the game, with a halfhearted toss that ended up in the hands of Ron Artest, who stormed down for a layup that gave the Rockets a lead they never lost.
I'm giving you carelussness. I'm giving what the Lakers' defense gave you on the final play of the third quarter, when Artest threw a half-court alley-oop pass to the 6-foot Aaron Brooks, who laughably scored in the most embarrassing Lakers surrender of many postseasons.
I'm giving you sloppeness. At this point in the column, I know I should be writing quotes and reactions from players. But acquiring that stuff takes effort, an effort that I can expend when the series gets more serious, but not now, why now?
Phil Jackson said he was thrilled to get one win in Houston, an amazing quote from the coach of a supposedly championship-caliber team, but he's the boss.
So, me too, I'm thrilled I wrote one full story in Houston, and now I'm packing it in, saving it for later, see you back in Los Angeles.
You want intensity in every postseason column, read the Cleveland and Denver writers.
I'm no fan of Plaschke, but this article summed up my feelings at the end of game 4 pretty well. As much as I care about this team, sometimes I feel like they just punch me in the face and laugh about it when they put forth efforts like this. This was a complete slap in the face and they make me feel like a fool for caring so much more than most of the players do. Maybe as a fan I should try to disconnect myself a little more, I don't know. Maybe I should only give a damn when they decide to.
Re: LA Times: Lakers don't care, so why should we?
Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 2:28 pm
by lakersfanatic
true, i think we went to the wrong game or something.. but you gotta give the rockets credit for brining their intensity into their house. They went up big in the first quarter and i think that's what made us lose our place.. Plus aaron and battier went on fire on us.. I just hope we don't make it look like if other teams go small on us, they can own us cuz obviously us going big (for major mismatches) did not help us at all.
Re: LA Times: Lakers don't care, so why should we?
Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 2:43 pm
by TommyTheCat
bravo!!
i'd rather get root canal treatment than watch another lame effort like that.
Re: LA Times: Lakers don't care, so why should we?
Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 3:20 pm
by Kilroy
I don't think it's that they don't care, I just think it's that they thought HomeCourt WAS the championship...
Which is exactly what I thought would happen to the Cavs... But it didn't.
We didn't have any trouble with these teams during the season, so we aren't fired up...
That's almost worse than just not giving a crap... I think the Rockets played like they didn't care last night... Like they had nothing to lose. We need a little of that.
Re: LA Times: Lakers don't care, so why should we?
Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 4:45 pm
by KiDdFrESh
That was a great article actually. So true. Hopefully Kobe doesn't read the papers!!

Re: LA Times: Lakers don't care, so why should we?
Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 4:58 pm
by semi-sentient
It's about time someone said it.
Every game the Lakers play I wait impatiently to see them again, and I have been this way since I can remember. If I can't watch them on TV I log onto ESPN and follow the play-by-play. I've been a devoted, hardcore fan of this team for a long damn time (lapses here and there due to life and stuff), and I have never felt so disappointed in any Lakers squad.
F**k these guys.
I have never stopped watching a Lakers game at the half when they were down big, until Game 4 that is.
I'm tired of this crap. It's been happening all season long. If these guys don't start playing like they have a purpose then management needs to start shipping some asses out. They can feel free to start with Kobe. I don't care.
Re: LA Times: Lakers don't care, so why should we?
Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 5:16 pm
by SnakeEyez
I agree that was a great article and expression of how most fans feel. This team has no fire, no heart, no will to win. They are like spoiled childern who expect everything to be given to them. I would have loved to see Kobe, Phil or someone be mad at the press conference of something show some emotion. I hate it, on our team we have no one to show life. We did but he is in Golden State now. Atleast the Kobe/Shaq teams fought back, got mad. I dont get this team, I dont get Kobes leadership, and I dont know what happend to Phil Jackson.
All I can hope for is one win at a time. None of this BS wake up call, and ohh Houston has nothing to lose. Man up Lakers.
Re: LA Times: Lakers don't care, so why should we?
Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 6:28 pm
by magic1fan
we can all sit here and rag on this team but the fact is sometimes people don't have it. they came out flat but that happens. the only thing that matters is if we win the series. each series is different. just because we are struggling now,does not mean we are going to struggle the next round or the finals. it was one game just like games 1-3.
Re: LA Times: Lakers don't care, so why should we?
Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 6:57 pm
by MAMBAEMD
magic1fan wrote:we can all sit here and rag on this team but the fact is sometimes people don't have it. they came out flat but that happens. the only thing that matters is if we win the series. each series is different. just because we are struggling now,does not mean we are going to struggle the next round or the finals. it was one game just like games 1-3.
I agree.
As much as I disliked their effort, it was just one game. They came out flat in Game 1 (which I went to) and then had good games 2 and 3.
The best teams almost always win a 7 game series. They'll bounce back. I really don't pay too much attention to Plaschke. He is as moody and hormonal as it can get without having ovaries.
We are in this to win a championship. Let's keep perspective. I hated the effort yesterday but I don't think they are any less likely to win the title.
Keep the faith Lakers Nation.
We'll bounce back.
Re: LA Times: Lakers don't care, so why should we?
Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 7:14 pm
by JimMurray
What angers me the most is that games like this are an indictment on Kobe. How do you go 7-17 with 15 points in a game like this, when you're team is looking for something, anything to spark some kind of fight from under their ass. This is the kind of game that we need Kobe to go off. Even if his shot isn't falling, at least bring the intensity somewhere else, pick up a T, block a shot, force a T, get to the hole. ZERO free throws? Really? I mean is he tired? Does he just not care anymore?
I've supported this guy his entire career, and all of that was predicated on the fact that once we got to this point, best supporting cast in the league, NBA Playoffs, that Kobe was going to be locked in and do the things that legends do. It's just not there. It wasn't there in 04' against Detroit, I'll give him a pass for last year against Boston because the team was there before they were supposed to be, but if he somehow manages to screw it up with this team, he's simply not what he's appeared to be.
He's TMAC times Vince Carter on Steroids, a competent fake to Jordans legacy, however ultimately a fraud. One of the best of all time to be sure, but not in the heir we thought he would be as we watched him grow.
I'm sorry, but Kobe doesn't get a pass for game 4, not from me, not anymore. There is absolutely no excuse for yesterday. For it to be game 4 of the Western Semi's and watch Kobe let the entire team not give a eff,.......who is this guy really?
Re: LA Times: Lakers don't care, so why should we?
Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 7:41 pm
by magic1fan
JimMurray wrote:What angers me the most is that games like this are an indictment on Kobe. How do you go 7-17 with 15 points in a game like this, when you're team is looking for something, anything to spark some kind of fight from under their ass. This is the kind of game that we need Kobe to go off. Even if his shot isn't falling, at least bring the intensity somewhere else, pick up a T, block a shot, force a T, get to the hole. ZERO free throws? Really? I mean is he tired? Does he just not care anymore?
I've supported this guy his entire career, and all of that was predicated on the fact that once we got to this point, best supporting cast in the league, NBA Playoffs, that Kobe was going to be locked in and do the things that legends do. It's just not there. It wasn't there in 04' against Detroit, I'll give him a pass for last year against Boston because the team was there before they were supposed to be, but if he somehow manages to screw it up with this team, he's simply not what he's appeared to be.
He's TMAC times Vince Carter on Steroids, a competent fake to Jordans legacy, however ultimately a fraud. One of the best of all time to be sure, but not in the heir we thought he would be as we watched him grow.
I'm sorry, but Kobe doesn't get a pass for game 4, not from me, not anymore. There is absolutely no excuse for yesterday. For it to be game 4 of the Western Semi's and watch Kobe let the entire team not give a eff,.......who is this guy really?
well it seems to me you pumped yourself up for nothing. right now we don't have the best supporting cast in the league,we haven't had it since the seventh game of the season. give me a break with all this kobe is a fraud garbage. he had a bad game. his leadership was weak,but that in no way makes him a fraud. show me a player in the history of the game that has not had a bad game? this team is still a great team,no wonder kobe said fans in la panic. this is getting ridiculous.
Re: LA Times: Lakers don't care, so why should we?
Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 9:05 pm
by JimMurray
magic1fan wrote:
well it seems to me you pumped yourself up for nothing. right now we don't have the best supporting cast in the league,we haven't had it since the seventh game of the season. give me a break with all this kobe is a fraud garbage. he had a bad game. his leadership was weak,but that in no way makes him a fraud. show me a player in the history of the game that has not had a bad game? this team is still a great team,no wonder kobe said fans in la panic. this is getting ridiculous.
Name one superstar player in the NBA with a better supporting cast than kobe.
*Crickets*
Go ahead, I'll wait.
*Crickets*
While you continue to look for that, let me just point out that this isn't just one bad game. I don't question him as a player, he's a great player, no question about it. But you hit it on the head; his leadership is what's in question, thats pretty much all I was saying. Obviously he's going to have bad games, but what is he going to do during those bad games to get his team going. Thats what matters.
Re: LA Times: Lakers don't care, so why should we?
Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 9:16 pm
by Zubby
^^ I agree with most of what you say aside from LA having the best supporting cast.. That goes to Houston now all we need is an injury free star to play with them.
PLEASE PLEASE give the rockets credit like the overrated Phil Jackson said. Kobe can't get to the free throw line cause Houston is a great defensive team which don't give out a lot of fouls. On a side note it did look like Kobe just gave up Battier had Kobe in his pocket the whole game and Kobe just let Battier hit wide open 3s.
Re: LA Times: Lakers don't care, so why should we?
Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 9:25 pm
by lakersfanatic
to lose yao and beat us double digits gotta hurts.. Makes u sit back and think what is truel wrong other then an off day (which we can't afford since this is a the post season).
Im pointing at phil only because he's in charge of putting people in and taknig people out. By now he should know who can play against who etc... It shouldn't take these many games to find out who can play who and who can mismatch who.
Re: LA Times: Lakers don't care, so why should we?
Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 10:02 pm
by magic1fan
JimMurray wrote:magic1fan wrote:
well it seems to me you pumped yourself up for nothing. right now we don't have the best supporting cast in the league,we haven't had it since the seventh game of the season. give me a break with all this kobe is a fraud garbage. he had a bad game. his leadership was weak,but that in no way makes him a fraud. show me a player in the history of the game that has not had a bad game? this team is still a great team,no wonder kobe said fans in la panic. this is getting ridiculous.
Name one superstar player in the NBA with a better supporting cast than kobe.
*Crickets*
Go ahead, I'll wait.
*Crickets*
While you continue to look for that, let me just point out that this isn't just one bad game. I don't question him as a player, he's a great player, no question about it. But you hit it on the head; his leadership is what's in question, thats pretty much all I was saying. Obviously he's going to have bad games, but what is he going to do during those bad games to get his team going. Thats what matters.
you don't have to agree but i will say that right now lebron and melo have better supporting casts. their's are better because they perorm night in and night out. both of their supporting casts play defense and hustle no matter what lebron and melo do. those guys accept their roles,and play them every night. our talent looks nice on paper,but farmar has been weak. bynum hasn't been the same. sasha has been trash. as we seen yesterday even without yao it seems we needed kobe to have a big game because no one else took the ball and did anything with it.
Re: LA Times: Lakers don't care, so why should we?
Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 4:05 am
by Asianiac_24
Honestly, this season is just dreadful and makes me want to quit watching basketball. We are always pissed off and ready to win with Shaq & Kobe. When playoffs came, we are always ready. We rarely gave up big leads. When we are down big, we fight hard and came back. We had killer instinct, heart, hunger to win, which none of the players on our current team have. When Shaq left and we were getting bounced year after year in the first round by the Suns, i still believed in my team. I still believe that once we got some help, we would go right back on top again. What happened to Kobe? I remember when Smush or Cook or Odom or Walton make a stupid play, Kobe yells in their face. Now he doesn't even care. This is the first season I wish I'm a fan of another team, and thats speaking volume. I don't mind losing if we try as hard as we can, at least that shows heart and passion, that shows me I'm not giving up my time and money all year long for nothing. This team needs to realize that the championship will not be handed to us. They talk about their hunger for the ring all year long, but I don't see it. This is the **** playoffs. Please
Re: LA Times: Lakers don't care, so why should we?
Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 4:12 am
by Asianiac_24
magic1fan wrote:JimMurray wrote:magic1fan wrote:
well it seems to me you pumped yourself up for nothing. right now we don't have the best supporting cast in the league,we haven't had it since the seventh game of the season. give me a break with all this kobe is a fraud garbage. he had a bad game. his leadership was weak,but that in no way makes him a fraud. show me a player in the history of the game that has not had a bad game? this team is still a great team,no wonder kobe said fans in la panic. this is getting ridiculous.
Name one superstar player in the NBA with a better supporting cast than kobe.
*Crickets*
Go ahead, I'll wait.
*Crickets*
While you continue to look for that, let me just point out that this isn't just one bad game. I don't question him as a player, he's a great player, no question about it. But you hit it on the head; his leadership is what's in question, thats pretty much all I was saying. Obviously he's going to have bad games, but what is he going to do during those bad games to get his team going. Thats what matters.
you don't have to agree but i will say that right now lebron and melo have better supporting casts. their's are better because they perorm night in and night out. both of their supporting casts play defense and hustle no matter what lebron and melo do. those guys accept their roles,and play them every night. our talent looks nice on paper,but farmar has been weak. bynum hasn't been the same. sasha has been trash. as we seen yesterday even without yao it seems we needed kobe to have a big game because no one else took the ball and did anything with it.
Kobe has more talent around him than Lebron or Melo. The reason why their supporing casts are performing better is because they have heart. Kobe needs to lead by example, show some heart and YELL at your teammates if they play like ****! I'm sick of Kobe not giving a damn on defense, stop leaving your man open! Drive and force your way to the basket, get a T, do something, show and lead your team by example
Re: LA Times: Lakers don't care, so why should we?
Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 4:14 am
by SashAlex
I just hope that they'll boucne back and win the next 2 games, or at least win the series in 7.
I hope Lamar is OK.
Re: LA Times: Lakers don't care, so why should we?
Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 4:37 am
by Dr Aki
lakers srsly need ppl to light a fire up their asses to play properly
theyve bought into all the hype that theyre the most talented team in the NBA
maybe we should trade some talent away for some guys who will do the grunt work
on the flip side, one thing this team can't be accused of is peaking too early
Re: LA Times: Lakers don't care, so why should we?
Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 8:10 am
by Mamba Venom
GREAT AND CLEVER