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What's everyone thoughts on Kobe's leadership? 

Post#1 » by AceFresh » Fri May 15, 2009 6:21 am

Kobe seems so nonchalant to the media, etc.
But is he really so serene?
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We expected a "Shift in Gears"
but I have yet to see anything of that nature...

Just seeking opinions.
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Post#2 » by KObe Bryant » Fri May 15, 2009 6:31 am

Oh man, I feel bad about Pau. That's not the right way.
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Post#3 » by DEEP3CL » Fri May 15, 2009 6:33 am

Kobe is held to a different standard when it comes to being a leader. If he yells to show emotion they'll say he's not a good leader, if he says nothing they'll say he's selfish and only care about himself. He's handcuffed. He was pumped and he tried to shake his guys awake.

Problem is we have too many players that are offensive minded, they only depend on their O to get them going.......even Trevor has fallen into this trap now.

I think his leadership is OK.
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Post#4 » by DEEP3CL » Fri May 15, 2009 6:35 am

KObe Bryant wrote:Oh man, I feel bad about Pau. That's not the right way.
Nothing was wrong with that. Don't get sucked into the media drama of it. Pau needed some type of encouragement.
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Post#5 » by CITYOFANGELSX3 » Fri May 15, 2009 6:36 am

AceFresh wrote:Kobe seems so nonchalant to the media, etc.
But is he really so serene?


Just seeking opinions.


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Post#6 » by dingclancy » Fri May 15, 2009 7:07 am

Well Kobe has a right to do that. Pau Gasol is the freakin best player from Spain and arguably the best in Europe. He should hold himself to a higher standard and be one of the leaders in the squad.
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Post#7 » by lakersfanatic » Fri May 15, 2009 7:10 am

There was nothing wrong with that. Kobe was just trying to encourage Pau for being owned by Scola. If kobe looked like he was yelling and slapping pau's head like Alston did then yeah.. that would be bad leadership. Kobe was just giving him a "common pau" we can take this rub on this head. That didn't sound right but yeah LOL
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Post#8 » by crazytown » Fri May 15, 2009 7:12 am

What a shock. Looks like Kobe is preparing to throw his team under the bus....again.

Only a matter of time now...
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Post#9 » by kevin_405 » Fri May 15, 2009 7:15 am

Dont ever question the heart of a champion.. Kobe is the ultimate baller.. if anything the rest of the team chokes.. Sasha, Farmar, Shanon, Fish, Ariza, Bynum and Luke are all over rated.. put them on any other team and u will these people disappear into space..

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Post#10 » by slifersd » Fri May 15, 2009 7:23 am

I don't think it is fair to define someone's leadership as good or bad based purely on their actions. Being a good leader means knowing exactly what he needs to do to get his teammates going. And if that means slapping someone upside the head, then so be it. The only way to measure good leadership is by the results. Its just like what KG did to Big Baby during the regular season. KG is being considered a great leader and he yelled at his teammate until he cried. Is that good or bad leadership then? Even though what Kobe did seemed a bit harsh, it was still good leadership because it got Gasol going at least a little bit.
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Post#11 » by AceFresh » Fri May 15, 2009 7:38 am

I'm not saying is a bad leader,
nor am I saying he's a great one.
You can't really justify that off of the gif.
I just put it there as an recent example of his "actions".

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Post#12 » by DubaLakers » Fri May 15, 2009 8:34 am

Damn Ace what's the story man you always have some chicks in your avatar or sig, but damn you bringing the proof now.

Ace I like your avatar better than Kno's now. City always has a bad azz one as well.

As far as kobe, he's forcing too many shots late, especially with Test or Battier on him, no better time to pass. D Fish should be in these games when they need shooters. At this point I'd rather D Fish starts and finishes.

Sasha shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless he is planted or directly under the basket. He should be a role player for defense and scrappy guy otherwise.
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Post#13 » by magic1fan » Fri May 15, 2009 1:03 pm

to me his leadership is great. i also agree with deep he is damned if he does and dmaned if he doesn't. despite us having all this so called talent kobe still doesn't have a luvury that lebron,melo and pierce have. that luxury is having players that don't need motivating,their supporting casts play off of their leader's actions. they look to help their leaders,while our players look for kobe to save them. if these guys played with half the focus kobe does this series would have been over.
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Post#14 » by butter17 » Fri May 15, 2009 1:19 pm

Kobe should have kick pau in the jaw :lol: No i'm just playing. Kobe is a good leader in certain situations. Like last night game......there are other ways to be a leader without going off on your teammates by leading by example, not taking bad shots, turning the ball over a lot, are playing smart basketball offensively & defensively. Sometimes kobe falls into that dummy role to. But for the the most part this year kobe has been a pretty good leader.
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Post#15 » by TXSun » Fri May 15, 2009 3:15 pm

bet that Pao has a monster game 7. If so then we'll know what type of impact Kobe's leadership had in him.
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Post#16 » by microfib4thewin » Fri May 15, 2009 3:23 pm

Said it before and I will say again. Kobe is not a leader. Kind of like MJ except he always comes through when the game is on the line, Kobe is nowhere near as good or as clutch to blast his teammates when he's doing a poor job at distributing the ball and play handclap defense(i.e. against Brewer).
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Post#17 » by Erik Eleven » Fri May 15, 2009 3:30 pm

Kobe telling them after halftime that the game has started is alright with me. Personally, I would have been more agitated than Kobe was.
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Post#18 » by TyCobb » Fri May 15, 2009 3:39 pm

microfib4thewin wrote:Said it before and I will say again. Kobe is not a leader. Kind of like MJ except he always comes through when the game is on the line, Kobe is nowhere near as good or as clutch to blast his teammates when he's doing a poor job at distributing the ball and play handclap defense(i.e. against Brewer).


Who wouldn't use handclap defense on Brewer? He's up there with Rondo as one of the worst jump shooters in the league. Kobe was for backing off Brewer and making him shoot jump shots. Also, when Kobe is not in force shot mode, he is a pretty damn good distributor just for the fact alone that he draws so much attention from the other team, leaving his teammates with wide open baskets.

Kobe tries to help too much on defense which gives the opposing team a wide open jump shot, usually a three. If he would stop sagging off of his man so much, then we wouldn't keep getting burned. Kobe usually falls asleep on the defensive end unless he's guarding a top notch offensive scorer like a Lebron or Wade. He needs to watch some video though, because it's the role players torching him.
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Post#19 » by magic1fan » Fri May 15, 2009 4:05 pm

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microfib4thewin wrote:Said it before and I will say again. Kobe is not a leader. Kind of like MJ except he always comes through when the game is on the line, Kobe is nowhere near as good or as clutch to blast his teammates when he's doing a poor job at distributing the ball and play handclap defense(i.e. against Brewer).


Who wouldn't use handclap defense on Brewer? He's up there with Rondo as one of the worst jump shooters in the league. Kobe was for backing off Brewer and making him shoot jump shots. Also, when Kobe is not in force shot mode, he is a pretty damn good distributor just for the fact alone that he draws so much attention from the other team, leaving his teammates with wide open baskets.

Kobe tries to help too much on defense which gives the opposing team a wide open jump shot, usually a three. If he would stop sagging off of his man so much, then we wouldn't keep getting burned. Kobe usually falls asleep on the defensive end unless he's guarding a top notch offensive scorer like a Lebron or Wade. He needs to watch some video though, because it's the role players torching him.




that's my only real concern with kobe is his defense against guys he doesn't respect. sometimes i wish we were playing a lebron,wade or tmac every night. i understand that you sag off guys who usually don't make jumpshots,but sometimes kobe still refuses to play them after they made a few. kind of sad considering he is top notch when he wants to be on defense. his leadership skills are just as good as anyone else's in the league imo. people lead in different ways...
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Post#20 » by ALL HAIL » Fri May 15, 2009 4:05 pm

Everyone needs to define a leader before they comment on Kobe's leadership ability.

A leader on a team, to me, is a solid rotational player who is a VOCAL guy and who holds himself responsible for the overall team success yet chastises his teammates when they are not doing well but is also the first to OVERALLY congratulate and support them when they are excelling. A leader is concerned about and takes action towards the betterment of individaul players' and overall team SPIRIT.

Michael Jordan was not a good leader.

Magic was probably the best of all time.

Remember Magic with young Vlade Divac, Elden Campbell, and Billy Thompson. Remember Jordan with young Kwame Brown, Stacey King, and Brad Sellers. Jordan practiaclly destroyed the confidence of the aforementioned players while Magic made Divac, Campbell, and Billy Thompson feel like legititmate contributors to the team.

Kobe, like Jordan, is not a good leader. Kobe, like Jordan, is way too self absorbed to TRULY think about others and how they feel and respond to their own strong personas.

Kobe is still great but he is not a natural leader.

Fisher fits the role of leader to me much more than Kobe. He is not as effective a leader right now because he is not playing well but he is clearly the LEADER according to my definition.

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