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1.Lebron James-Alien but I don't know if even his kind is good enough to get past Kobe and Artest assuming we keep Odom and we are there.

2tied.Kevin Durant-Maybe not next year but the year after. He will be in the Wade/Melo category. The kid is only 21 or something which is the same age as the rookies now. He is better then everybody thinks. Most underrated player in league.

2tied.Melo-Only really a scorer so I can see putting him lower but he is so good at scoring.

4.Danny Granger-Can you believe how good he turned out to be. Only reason LB has a job. I said he should have gone top 3.

5.Ron Artest-Yeah that's right. He is the best defensive sf except maybe Battier although he can guard the post unlike Battier and guard 4 positions unlike Battier. Can play point is a top 5 defender in the league and is now gonna have the perfect coach and Kobe on the wing with him. How sweet it is. He is just reaching his prime now to.

6.Paul Pierce-He is on the decline. He would have been higher on the list a few years ago. I wonder if being fat will catch up to him. Still excellent go to clutch guy and still very good defender who can play 2 and 3 no problem even for his fatness and age.

7.Richard Jefferson-This guy playing for a title again will be reborn and playing with guys like Duncan and Parker will be special. They needed a young guy to inject them with and they got him. He's not 21 but he's in his prime and still super athletic and a smart player who plays D and has been to the finals twice.

8.Gerald Wallace-This guy is underrated. I watch all Bobcats games and he is good. If he had a 3 point shot or at least 1 go to move on O or just improved his dribbling a little bit he would be superstar level. His athletism is off the charts insane. Not a big time creator for himself or others but working on it and if he comes back with that next year he will leap from other players on this list to the top half. His Defense is amazing as well. Its why I have to put him above the last 2. .

9.Caron Butler

10.Rashard Lewis-6'10 sf who is a lights out shooter. Matchup nightmare. He also has no problem playing the 4. He would probably even play the 2 if you needed him to.

Artest has always been one of my favorite players but no way in hell he is better than Pierce. I hate Pierce but he ain't better than him. Butler should be higher and I think Artest is around level he is.

wow Dexmore I thought Richard Jefferson was high on your rankings. Did not expect R Jeff to be
#7 on your list.

Peirce is better than Artest and Butler is better than Jefferson.

JustBlaze_20 wrote:Peirce is better than Artest and Butler is better than Jefferson.

Disagree Artest > Peirce

Artest Single handedly carried the Rockets to game 7 with the Lakers. Where Peirce arguably is 2nd or 3rd option on that team. Pierce has much less pressure on him since he has KG and Ray then Ron ever did.

Also Kevin Durant is nowhere # 2 on there. Melo I think should be #2

Pierce is old and will be a year older and slower. Artest can slow him down and Pierce cant slow him down.
As for RJ he is my boy but Im not gonna be bias.
Butler is very good but everything Butler can do RJ can do. RJ can play 4 positions, hit the 3 drive the line, post up and play the point. He has also proven to be healthy something Butler hasn't so you have to give the nod to him. For anybody who thought RJ was overpaid the Spurs picking him validates his contract and my claim. Also they were done in the first round and now people are talking about them as title contenders because of him.
See you guys dissed me all along for RJ but I don't think you saw him enough. Now you will know.
Also even before Artest signed or took less money when I wanted RJ and Kobe so bad I would have killed somebody for it I would have rather had Artest Odom and Kobe. There a better combo. They are literally a better version of what MJ got in Chicago. Artest is a better defender so he will guard the other teams best player something RJ might not have done and Artest and Odom are known as more of ball handlers so they should bring up the ball something RJ was guaranteed to do.
Honestly if I had to pick anybody to be our sf as long as Odom is there which he will be fingers crossed it would be Artest. I love that they outside of Bynum are all the same age which is not only my age but it's prime age.

Artest easily over Pierce. The people who say Pierce besdies Celtics fans are going on past and rep/
Pierce is clearly the third best player on his team and was 2nd in the playoffs Celtics. On the defensive end they aren't even close and on the offensive end they are about a tie. Plus next year Artest will be 29-30 and Pierce will be 32 or 33 and fat.

lol, sorry to troll, but that list is atrocious.
As someone who has been watching and enjoying the Pierce/Artest matchup since Ron went to Indy, I say Pierce is a better all around player by a great margin. He regularly gets his on Artest, and locks him up better than most, he's hell on Ron. Not saying Ron is garbage(he's a great player), just saying it's not the matchup you guys are making it out to be. So thats's the first thing.
Pierce isn't "fat", when Danny came to Boston he wanted Paul to bulk up so he could last as a driving sf, not turn into a wiry, outside 2 guard. The idea has turned out well because Paul has only missed one stretch of games with injury since then(06-07)
For right now, my list is:
1.)James
2.)Anthony
3.)Pierce-age31
4.)Granger
5.)Butler
6.)Durant-will be #2 within 2 years, at most.
7.)Turkoglu-Lewis isn't a sf. He could be, but he isn't one in Orl.
8.)Artest-age29
9.)Jackson
10.Wallace
11.)Jefferson
Sure there's a glaring omission, but that's the gist of it.

greenbeans wrote:lol, sorry to troll, but that list is atrocious.
As someone who has been watching and enjoying the Pierce/Artest matchup since Ron went to Indy, I say Pierce is a better all around player by a great margin. He regularly gets his on Artest, and locks him up better than most, he's hell on Ron. Not saying Ron is garbage(he's a great player), just saying it's not the matchup you guys are making it out to be. So thats's the first thing.
Pierce isn't "fat", when Danny came to Boston he wanted Paul to bulk up so he could last as a driving sf, not turn into a wiry, outside 2 guard. The idea has turned out well because Paul has only missed one stretch of games with injury since then(06-07)
For right now, my list is:
1.)James
2.)Anthony
3.)Pierce-age31
4.)Granger
5.)Butler
6.)Durant-will be #2 within 2 years, at most.
7.)Turkoglu-Lewis isn't a sf. He could be, but he isn't one in Orl.
8.)Artest-age29
9.)Jackson
10.Wallace
11.)Jefferson
Sure there's a glaring omission, but that's the gist of it.

Pierce as 3rd? and Artest 8th??Now THAT is atrocious.

greenbeans wrote:lol, sorry to troll, but that list is atrocious.
As someone who has been watching and enjoying the Pierce/Artest matchup since Ron went to Indy, I say Pierce is a better all around player by a great margin. He regularly gets his on Artest, and locks him up better than most, he's hell on Ron. Not saying Ron is garbage(he's a great player), just saying it's not the matchup you guys are making it out to be. So thats's the first thing.
Pierce isn't "fat", when Danny came to Boston he wanted Paul to bulk up so he could last as a driving sf, not turn into a wiry, outside 2 guard. The idea has turned out well because Paul has only missed one stretch of games with injury since then(06-07)
For right now, my list is:
1.)James
2.)Anthony
3.)Pierce-age31
4.)Granger
5.)Butler
6.)Durant-will be #2 within 2 years, at most.
7.)Turkoglu-Lewis isn't a sf. He could be, but he isn't one in Orl.
8.)Artest-age29
9.)Jackson
10.Wallace
11.)Jefferson
Sure there's a glaring omission, but that's the gist of it.

I should have specified this is a list for next year. Pierce will be 32. He is on the fast Decline.
Artest is still in his prime. As a matter of fact he is about to have his best coach and play with Kobe so he could have his best season.

As for Durant he will be a superstar with Wade, Paul, Melo and basically the best of the best besides Kobe and Lebron. You realize Durant will be 21 or just turning 22 at the end of next season and he averaged 25 points. He is a completely dominant scorer. He can score from anywhere and now he actually has a team around him. Alot of people underrate Durant because alot of people don't watch Thunder games so that is typical but he will be the 2nd best sf for the next 10 years. Imagine what he is gonna do now that he has a team and his pg is in his second year and has confidence. He will get 25-30 points a game next year so 6th is "atrousious"


Lewis played sf his whole career the Magic just went with 2 sf's but they are going after Brandon Bass. Hedo is gone. They had to great sf's so since they were both tall they had to start them. Lewis is a sf. Look at his game.

Gerald over RJ?- O.K. I live in Raleigh so I have seen all Bobcats games this year and I lived in NY so I have seen many many RJ games, and this one is close but anybody clearly has to realize RJ gets the edge. RJ can create and Wallace can't. Wallace's game is basically based on pure athletism. He's not getting more athletic. RJ will be playing for the Spurs, Greg Poppa, Duncan, Poppa, Manu. He has always played with guys who can score and he still scores and had a season where he put up 23 points a game 1 year. Gerald Wallace plays with Bobcats and is the #1 option and still can't get to 20 a game.

Jackson-Are you kidding me?

I love how Pierce is in fast decline, yet Artest is just entering his prime. Only 2 years seperate them you know..

Carmelo and Durant try and be the same player right now, right now Carmelo is a lot better at being that player. Strictly putting up points on a nobody cares team is not that hard. When he expands his game is when he'll get to that 2 spot.

I just like Wallace and his more all-around game over one of the guys who Jason Kidd made rich.

I was going on what I saw the last two seasons when I was talking about Lewis..

1. LJ
2. Melo
3. Ron Ron

Nuff said

if ron is a top 10 player at his position thats enough for me. if he squeezes upwards to top 5, OUTSTANDING. however, overall he is definitely an upgrade. his strength inside is very deceptive, but people know its there when he barrels into you and flips up that inside shot. 3pt play or foul. he is just strong.

greenbeans wrote:I love how Pierce is in fast decline, yet Artest is just entering his prime. Only 2 years seperate them you know..

Carmelo and Durant try and be the same player right now, right now Carmelo is a lot better at being that player. Strictly putting up points on a nobody cares team is not that hard. When he expands his game is when he'll get to that 2 spot.

I just like Wallace and his more all-around game over one of the guys who Jason Kidd made rich.

I was going on what I saw the last two seasons when I was talking about Lewis..

Wow you couldn't be more wrong. 2 can actually be alot and in this case it is a sizeable amount. It is kind of like you don't pay attention though. O.K. like I said before Artest is in his prime and that will last longer espially since he is in awesome shape and Pierce is fat.
Proof that Pierce is on the decline you actualluy need o.k. Pierce used to average mid 20's and even 27 one year until 07-08. When it was time for him to step it up in the playoffs second round he averaged 18 points 4 boards and 4 assists. That is not the truth paul pierce we used to know. He used to lead the league in scoring in the 4th quarter and was the man but in the playoffs to be clearly 2nd to Rando and average 18 points? If thats not a decline you didnt see Pierce when he was younger.


If you think Durant is just a guy getting points because nobody else is gonna shot then you have no idea how to judge talent and next year when they have the starting lineup of Green/Durant/Harden/Westbrook and Durant is getting close to 30 you won't be saying that.
You say it like he is John Salmons putting up 20 points in Sacramento.

Gerald Wallace all around game? RJ is more of an all around player. I like the Bobcats to there my second team and the hometeam here so Im not gonna bash you for this one but you should be embarassed about not knowing about KD and not knowing Pierce is on the decline.

I put Melo tied with Durant but I think ultimately Durant will lead the league in scoring almost every year and will be a better scorer then Melo. Melo is a better post player.

And with this passage here, I stopped

Dexmor wrote:you don't pay attention though. O.K. like I said before Artest is in his prime and that will last longer espially since he is in awesome shape and Pierce is fat.
Proof that Pierce is on the decline you actualluy need o.k. Pierce used to average mid 20's and even 27 one year until 07-08.

Sure, he's fat, lol. Are you 15?

And Ray Allen and KG used to average a lot more points too, kinda like Kobe, but when it comes time to go out and work for that ring you play a role and fit in to the framework of a team.

No one said anythin about Durant at #2, way too high. Any stud player can score if he guns everytime he cathes the ball.

greenbeans wrote:And with this passage here, I stopped

Dexmor wrote:you don't pay attention though. O.K. like I said before Artest is in his prime and that will last longer espially since he is in awesome shape and Pierce is fat.
Proof that Pierce is on the decline you actualluy need o.k. Pierce used to average mid 20's and even 27 one year until 07-08.

Sure, he's fat, lol. Are you 15?

And Ray Allen and KG used to average a lot more points too, kinda like Kobe, but when it comes time to go out and work for that ring you play a role and fit in to the framework of a team.

greenbeans, I wouldn't bother...you won't get anywhere. We have tried

Tommy Trojan wrote:

JustBlaze_20 wrote:Peirce is better than Artest and Butler is better than Jefferson.

Disagree Artest > Peirce

Artest Single handedly carried the Rockets to game 7 with the Lakers. Where Peirce arguably is 2nd or 3rd option on that team. Pierce has much less pressure on him since he has KG and Ray then Ron ever did.

Also Kevin Durant is nowhere # 2 on there. Melo I think should be #2

Ron Artest was maybe our 4th(3rd once Yao went down) most important player in the playoffs.
If he was that important, why'd you think we didn't offer him more than a one year deal.

In the first round, Ron shot 41%FG, 28%3PT with 15.7PPG.
In the 2nd round, Ron shot 38%FG, 27%3PT with 15.6PPG.

If it wasn't for his chucking, we probably would've beaten Portland in 5 games.

Single handily carried the Rockets, thats funny.

Those of you who have this unreal expectation of Ron Artest are going to be in for a rude awakening. Defensively, he is still a beast. Although he has lost a step on D, he is probably still a top 5 defender in the league if nothing else just based on his reputation.

Offensively is where Ron Artest is going to kill you. And i don't mean the opposition. The fact that he shot under 40% from the field in the playoffs may have come as a shock to some of you but the guy HAS ALWAYS been a low percentage scorer. Artest has been to the playoffs 7 times, and 5 out of 7 times he shot under 40% from the field. The problem with Ron is that he is a horrific chucker. He takes shot that even Kobe Bryant would go "what was he thinking". He is still a "nice" player but in no way is he a top 5 SF in the league. Offensively he probably isn't even in the top 15.

With the Lakers i expect Artest's shot selection to improve.
I say he's going to average 14PPG on 41% FG and 39% 3pt shooting a game.

greenbeans wrote:And with this passage here, I stopped

Dexmor wrote:you don't pay attention though. O.K. like I said before Artest is in his prime and that will last longer espially since he is in awesome shape and Pierce is fat.
Proof that Pierce is on the decline you actualluy need o.k. Pierce used to average mid 20's and even 27 one year until 07-08.

Sure, he's fat, lol. Are you 15?

And Ray Allen and KG used to average a lot more points too, kinda like Kobe, but when it comes time to go out and work for that ring you play a role and fit in to the framework of a team.

Greenbeans your a fool for calling me 15 for calling Pierce fat. There was an article on realgm when the KG trade first happened and it was talking about how long they all have and they even said Pierce was fat. I also saw some nba special on espn the 10 best heavy/fat players in league history, it was Charles Barkley and Pierce and other players. Your trying to insult me but it's true he is fat and it's obvious just by looking at him. You can be fat and still have cut arms. You ever see him.
And yes your average goes down when you play with alot of stars and not just the only man but this was the playoffs and KG was out and Radno was the first option. That shows you he is on the decline. A few years ago that would never be the case. Also he used to play with Walker who was a big chucker and he still got his 25. In the playoffs were they needed him and gave him the ball he couldn't delevier. Besides when your the first option sopposed to be or second that all goes out the window. Maybe you could have used that arguement last year but not this year. You did know KG didn't play in the playoffs.
Ray Allen is also on the decline by the way. Yes it is also true that his average went down went he went to the Celtics because they all shared more shots but they were calling JJ Reddick Rocky. We all know how bad he played in the playoffs except for 1 or 2 games.